I have found this "What is your quarterback's record in final games of the season?" argument to be beyond ridiculous. Only one team wins the Super Bowl a year. Of the fourteen quarterbacks who took their teams to the playoffs, their combined record in final games is going to be 1-13.

Drew Brees was a great quarterback. He won one Super Bowl. I dunno for sure but I suspect his record in final games is something along the lines of 1-10. Sure there would be final week regular season games that could add to the wins (and losses) but no one cares about them so they're irrelevant.

Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks in history. He won two Super Bowls. His "final game" record is probably about 2-15. Roger Staubach probably went 2-9. The list could go on and on like this.

Even Tom Brady would have a losing record going by this metric. He won what, seven Super Bowls? But he played more than twenty years. His "final game" record is probably something like 7-14. He must really have sucked then, having a losing record.

Good God Almighty. There are things to argue about regarding quarterbacks which have merit. This certainly isn't one of them.

41 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Cute stat. Now show me how many literally just dropped the ball without being touched. Just dropped it. Hurts is the only mofo I've ever seen just drop it and then just watch it like he didn't give a F. I didn't say fumble. I said, dropping it while holding it. 

I mean if you're looking for an obscure stat of solely dropping it without being touched, only in a Super Bowl game, sure I guess. If you want to ignore the rest of the game he had, ignore how bad the defense was, 2 wide open TDs given to the Chiefs receivers who waltzed into the end zone, and all the people including Mahomes who said Hurts would have been MVP had the Eagles won, then sure. You "win." 

10 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I have found this "What is your quarterback's record in final games of the season?" argument to be beyond ridiculous. Only one team wins the Super Bowl a year. Of the fourteen quarterbacks who took their teams to the playoffs, their combined record in final games is going to be 1-13.

Drew Brees was a great quarterback. He won one Super Bowl. I dunno for sure but I suspect his record in final games is something along the lines of 1-10. Sure there would be final week regular season games that could add to the wins (and losses) but no one cares about them so they're irrelevant.

Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks in history. He won two Super Bowls. His "final game" record is probably about 2-15. Roger Staubach probably went 2-9. The list could go on and on like this.

Even Tom Brady would have a losing record going by this metric. He won what, seven Super Bowls? But he played more than twenty years. His "final game" record is probably something like 7-14. He must really have sucked then, having a losing record.

Good God Almighty. There are things to argue about regarding quarterbacks which have merit. This certainly isn't one of them.

@aptosbird

5 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Since it was kind of brought up

What would be considered a failed season to everyone?

For me it would be anything less than divisional game

Looking at the overall state of the NFC, I think failure might be too strong of a word but anything less than an NFC Championship appearance would be disappointing to me. The AFC is loaded with KC, Buffalo, Cincinnati with Burrow back, Houston, Miami, Jets will be better with Rodgers, and even Cleveland is tough. It's hard to get to the championship game in that conference. 

The Eagles' main competition in the NFC will be SF, DET, GB, and probably Dallas in the division. The conference isn't bad, but it's much more gettable than the AFC. So they need to jump on it now before that changes. If Caleb Williams turns out to be the real deal, Chicago will be a tough out moving forward with that roster in 2025 and beyond. 

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Looking at the overall state of the NFC, I think failure might be too strong of a word but anything less than an NFC Championship appearance would be disappointing to me. The AFC is loaded with KC, Buffalo, Cincinnati with Burrow back, Houston, Miami, Jets will be better with Rodgers, and even Cleveland is tough. It's hard to get to the championship game in that conference. 

The Eagles' main competition in the NFC will be SF, DET, GB, and probably Dallas in the division. The conference isn't bad, but it's much more gettable than the AFC. So they need to jump on it now before that changes. If Caleb Williams turns out to be the real deal, Chicago will be a tough out moving forward with that roster in 2025 and beyond. 

There wasn't a right or wrong answer. Just wanted to create some discussion and get a feel for expectations 

13 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I have found this "What is your quarterback's record in final games of the season?" argument to be beyond ridiculous. Only one team wins the Super Bowl a year. Of the fourteen quarterbacks who took their teams to the playoffs, their combined record in final games is going to be 1-13.

Drew Brees was a great quarterback. He won one Super Bowl. I dunno for sure but I suspect his record in final games is something along the lines of 1-10. Sure there would be final week regular season games that could add to the wins (and losses) but no one cares about them so they're irrelevant.

Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks in history. He won two Super Bowls. His "final game" record is probably about 2-15. Roger Staubach probably went 2-9. The list could go on and on like this.

Even Tom Brady would have a losing record going by this metric. He won what, seven Super Bowls? But he played more than twenty years. His "final game" record is probably something like 7-14. He must really have sucked then, having a losing record.

Good God Almighty. There are things to argue about regarding quarterbacks which have merit. This certainly isn't one of them.

Of course it is ridiculous, which was the whole point of the conversation. I know better than respond to the room troll, but his gushing over Hurts' Game #1 stats of each season was so over the top.  I was bored and felt it needed just as over the top response. My apologies...I can do better.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I mean if you're looking for an obscure stat of solely dropping it without being touched, only in a Super Bowl game, sure I guess. If you want to ignore the rest of the game he had, ignore how bad the defense was, 2 wide open TDs given to the Chiefs receivers who waltzed into the end zone, and all the people including Mahomes who said Hurts would have been MVP had the Eagles won, then sure. You "win." 

There is no I win over stats. He changed the momentum of the game by just dropping the ball, not fumbling, just dropping it, which no good QB has ever done that I've ever seen in my lifetime. People can argue that they scored 10 unanswered after that, that he played well the rest of the game, etc. What can't be argued is they were about to go up two scores, the defense had them punt, things were going their way, and he pissed it away. 

36 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie has this figured out, either go no FAs and collect comp picks or go numerous FAs cause you ain't getting comp picks in any case.

 

If you look at the transactions, prior to the Reddick trade, it was becoming obvious we would not get any significant picks.  

March 29, 2024    Traded DL Haason Reddick to New York Jets for a conditional 2023 third-round draft pick.
March 23, 2024    Signed QB Will Grier to a one-year contract.
March 21, 2024    Signed WR Parris Campbell to a one-year contract.
March 20, 2024    Signed DT P.J. Mustipher and DB Tyler Hall.
March 19, 2024    Signed DT PJ Mustipher to a one-year contract. Signed ILB Owen Burks and LB Devin White to contracts.
March 16, 2024    Acquired QB Kenny Pickett and a 2024 fourth-round pick from Pittsburgh in exchange for a 2024 third-round pick and a seventh-round pick.
March 15, 2024    Signed LB Zack Baun, S C.J. Gardner Johnson, C Matt Hennessy and P Braden Mann.
March 14, 2024    Signed RB Saquon Barkley and DE Bryce Huff.

 

5 players were signed that would cancel out FA losses prior to the trade.   And I agree, I feel like it was his plan all along to be active in FA and trade Reddick to get value now.

4 minutes ago, paco said:

 

If you look at the transactions, prior to the Reddick trade, it was becoming obvious we would not get any significant picks.  

March 29, 2024    Traded DL Haason Reddick to New York Jets for a conditional 2023 third-round draft pick.
March 23, 2024    Signed QB Will Grier to a one-year contract.
March 21, 2024    Signed WR Parris Campbell to a one-year contract.
March 20, 2024    Signed DT P.J. Mustipher and DB Tyler Hall.
March 19, 2024    Signed DT PJ Mustipher to a one-year contract. Signed ILB Owen Burks and LB Devin White to contracts.
March 16, 2024    Acquired QB Kenny Pickett and a 2024 fourth-round pick from Pittsburgh in exchange for a 2024 third-round pick and a seventh-round pick.
March 15, 2024    Signed LB Zack Baun, S C.J. Gardner Johnson, C Matt Hennessy and P Braden Mann.
March 14, 2024    Signed RB Saquon Barkley and DE Bryce Huff.

 

5 players were signed that would cancel out FA losses prior to the trade.   And I agree, I feel like it was his plan all along to be active in FA and trade Reddick to get value now.

Let's go PJ Mustipher! P.J. Mustipher sucks!

32 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I have found this "What is your quarterback's record in final games of the season?" argument to be beyond ridiculous. Only one team wins the Super Bowl a year. Of the fourteen quarterbacks who took their teams to the playoffs, their combined record in final games is going to be 1-13.

Drew Brees was a great quarterback. He won one Super Bowl. I dunno for sure but I suspect his record in final games is something along the lines of 1-10. Sure there would be final week regular season games that could add to the wins (and losses) but no one cares about them so they're irrelevant.

Peyton Manning is one of the greatest quarterbacks in history. He won two Super Bowls. His "final game" record is probably about 2-15. Roger Staubach probably went 2-9. The list could go on and on like this.

Even Tom Brady would have a losing record going by this metric. He won what, seven Super Bowls? But he played more than twenty years. His "final game" record is probably something like 7-14. He must really have sucked then, having a losing record.

Good God Almighty. There are things to argue about regarding quarterbacks which have merit. This certainly isn't one of them.

Agreed. 
 

So about that Vick vs Foles debate…

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

Cute stat. Now show me how many literally just dropped the ball without being touched. Just dropped it. Hurts is the only mofo I've ever seen just drop it and then just watch it like he didn't give a F. I didn't say fumble. I said, dropping it while holding it. 

Hurts needed to be perfect to win that game and he pretty much was outside of that fumble. Got the ball back immediately after that and answered with a TD to put them back up seven. Answered late in the 4th quarter and the two point conversion to tie it at 35. The sequence leading up to that fumble will forever be haunting: Gainwell trips short of the first, Seumalo false start, and then the fumble. If it stays at 3rd and 1 they most likely sneak it for a first. And if he got the ball back with around a minute and a half to go with one timeout late in the fourth, I'm convinced he puts them in a position to tie it, if not win it outright. 

Hurts has his flaws, but if they're ever in that moment/game again I'm convinced we have the right guy to show up. He proved it in that game. The moment wasn't too big for him. 

Different circumstances but I think Hurts taking the Safety last year was more inexcusable than the fumble

Quick, everyone go get your Phillies jersey with the IBX patch and pair it with your Drake Phillies hat

 

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Quick, everyone go get your Phillies jersey with the IBX patch and pair it

It should pair nicely with the City Connect uni's:

 

 

6 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Since it was kind of brought up

What would be considered a failed season to everyone?

For me it would be anything less than divisional game

Super bowl. SF and Dallas have taken a step back. Det and GB are on the rise and are a threat. They will only get better

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Smith is still underrated across the league. He’s probably my favorite current Eagle at this point too.

1 hour ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Looking at the overall state of the NFC, I think failure might be too strong of a word but anything less than an NFC Championship appearance would be disappointing to me. The AFC is loaded with KC, Buffalo, Cincinnati with Burrow back, Houston, Miami, Jets will be better with Rodgers, and even Cleveland is tough. It's hard to get to the championship game in that conference. 

The Eagles' main competition in the NFC will be SF, DET, GB, and probably Dallas in the division. The conference isn't bad, but it's much more gettable than the AFC. So they need to jump on it now before that changes. If Caleb Williams turns out to be the real deal, Chicago will be a tough out moving forward with that roster in 2025 and beyond. 

I think Williams will be a disappointment. I think his career turns out to be like Murray's...(this is coming from a SC fan)...I'm not afraid of their roster either. I don't consider Chicago to be a threat at all

2 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Smith is still underrated across the league. He’s probably my favorite current Eagle at this point too.

He's definitely my favorite Eagle. AJ is second. I was upset the Eagles didn't draft him when he came out but I'm thrilled he's on the team now

57 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

There is no I win over stats. He changed the momentum of the game by just dropping the ball, not fumbling, just dropping it, which no good QB has ever done that I've ever seen in my lifetime. People can argue that they scored 10 unanswered after that, that he played well the rest of the game, etc. What can't be argued is they were about to go up two scores, the defense had them punt, things were going their way, and he pissed it away. 

Yeah that fluke moment sucked. The two wide open TDs the defense gave up sucked too. Hurts fumble wasn't the only bad play of the game. Then he bounced back and had an MVP performance.

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

NFL.com had the Eagles as the suitor who makes the most sense for Justin Simmons. Maybe he has truly fallen off a cliff, but based on what I saw last year, I still think he'd be better than Blankenship who I think is solid, but not much better than that. And I'd certainly rather have him than Maddox at safety.

I still think they sign him. I thought Vic's comment on transitioning from CB to S was interesting. He had a solid season last year. I think they sign him before the preseason ends. He already knows the system

 

He has been insufferable at BGN and then The Ringer snd now gets to be insufferable at ESPN.

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

 

Who was he looking at when he said it?

Chargers' Justin Herbert diagnosed with plantar fascia injury

 

New, creative ways to underachieve.