Kelce might be the absolute steal not only from a draft perspective but also money. 

16 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Let’s just disregard the mediocre at best QB play/offense as a whole Dotson played in.

Dotson is here as WR #3. Post something from a reasonable source saying he was a lazy or poor route runner and then maybe you’re onto something. 

 

But where are the other Washington WRs on that list then? Dotaon wasn't their #1 WR, he was their #3.  Terry McLaurin and Curtis Samuel both had substantially more targets than Dotson over the past 2 seasons with the same QBs yet they aren't on that list.

49 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There's the 5th year option, as well.

I mentioned this earlier. At minimum that’s $15M-$16M for one year, if he does well it’s more. That doesn’t seem realistic with the massive deals given to Brown and Smith. 

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

Happy page 420 

 

18 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

But where are the other Washington WRs on that list then? Dotaon wasn't their #1 WR, he was their #3.  Terry McLaurin and Curtis Samuel both had substantially more targets than Dotson over the past 2 seasons with the same QBs yet they aren't on that list.

Still feels very nitpicky. You can also make the case that why aren’t other top WRs on other teams on this list? Jefferson, Chase, Brown? 

The players on that list are known for making plays down the field. Mclaurin is an intermediate route guy while Samuel is a WR/RB hybrid. Dotson, I’m assuming, had more Targets down the field and was thrown at in double coverage. Maybe he didn’t, I don’t care enough to look it up. 
 

I also don’t understand how this stat you posted gives you Quez/Reagor vibes? You said that and posted a stat that consisted of mostly elite level WRs. Dotson led his team in receiving TDs as a rookie. What about that says Quez/Reagor? 

At the end of the day, I’m the idiot for even engaging in this conversation. 

10 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Still feels very nitpicky. You can also make the case that why aren’t other top WRs on other teams on this list? Jefferson, Chase, Brown? 

The players on that list are known for making plays down the field. Mclaurin is an intermediate route guy while Samuel is a WR/RB hybrid. Dotson, I’m assuming, had more Targets down the field and was thrown at in double coverage. Maybe he didn’t, I don’t care enough to look it up. 
 

I also don’t understand how this stat you posted gives you Quez/Reagor vibes? You said that and posted a stat that consisted of mostly elite level WRs. Dotson led his team in receiving TDs as a rookie. What about that says Quez/Reagor? 

At the end of the day, I’m the idiot for even engaging in this conversation. 

Its very possible Dotson, who is slight, with short arms, isnt going to be adept at boxing out defenders in tight spaces. 

Hes good if hes going to get open. Hes good adjusting to the ball down the field and can make an acrobatic catch over a DB. But its possible that in a scenario where he has to come back to the ball and body out a defender, maybe he plays those like Quez.

At least he has excellent hands, and I wouldnt expect him to be in those box out scenarios much at all. Im not worried about that stat. 

Dotson has redeeming qualities about him that Quez, and Reagor lacked. Use him right, and he will be another weapon for us.

This video just got me pregnant. 

 

 

Dotsons yards per route ran is pretty bad fwiw. Maybe it’s just the way they used him idk, but it’s bad. 

9 hours ago, vikas83 said:

I'm guessing they keep 6, but one of Wilson or A. Smith finds his way to IR. Campbell just lost his spot.

I would assume they'd keep the big wr and still phantom IR the rookie who is generally similar to other wrs and keep a speedster.

9 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Either Dotson sucks or Washington is dumb. Haven't seen enough from the new GM to say either way. But teams don't just bail on top 16 picks, and especially in-division, unless they have a damn good reason to.

the WR version of Kenny Pickett?  drafted 4 spots apart same year.  The team they were on brought in players that they like more. 

7 hours ago, paco said:

I just realized that Washington basically traded Chris Olave for Dotson, Sam Howell and Brian Robinson Jr. 

 

2 years later only Robinson Jr remains with the team.  And he's splitting with Austin Ekeler now.

Robinson is about to go off. Hate to say that but he is going to be a force this year. Really like his game.

 

 

10 hours ago, TEW said:

Moore likes larger WRs. I think Wilson gets a roster spot.

Additionally,  AJ Brown plays X,  and is big.  And if it's not Wilson, it's not at all clear who is backup is.

Dotson is D Smiths backup.  good route runner with good hands who runs in the 4.4s.  Isn't quick or blazing fast. 

People here on this board or other boards aren't thinking about backups for the certain players. 

X receivers - AJ Brown,  Wilson
Z receivers - D Smith, Dotson (not who it was before Dotson arrived, but that player was not similar to D Smith, not a plug and play replacement. 

Slot receiver could be Covey for quickness,  Campbell and/or Ross for speed.   Dotson could play Z while Smith was in the slot.  Wilson could play X while Brown was in the slot. 

But we know that having the same lowmid WR in there way too much didn't prevent wins.  It didn't matter that Quez had a PFF in 2022 of 55. 

33 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Still feels very nitpicky. You can also make the case that why aren’t other top WRs on other teams on this list? Jefferson, Chase, Brown? 

The players on that list are known for making plays down the field. Mclaurin is an intermediate route guy while Samuel is a WR/RB hybrid. Dotson, I’m assuming, had more Targets down the field and was thrown at in double coverage. Maybe he didn’t, I don’t care enough to look it up. 
 

I also don’t understand how this stat you posted gives you Quez/Reagor vibes? You said that and posted a stat that consisted of mostly elite level WRs. Dotson led his team in receiving TDs as a rookie. What about that says Quez/Reagor? 

At the end of the day, I’m the idiot for even engaging in this conversation. 

 

Because ir sounds like he gets beat for jump situation balls down the field.  Both based on that troubling stat and what fans have been saying on the Commanders subreddit.  He's a smaller guy who doesn't win those type of battles with more physical DBs.  Their are also the reports that he hasn't looked good this summer for them and has had a poor attitude in camp. It's all a bit of those Reagor/Quez vibes.

"Big people beat up little people."

9 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Bo and Zach thinks that means Campbell is gone. Not sure if Ross will be gone too. We'll see what they do with Ainias Smith. Does he make the team or get the IR treatment? I highly doubt they cut him. I'd rather keep Campbell than Ross if they do keep one of them and they may cut both.

Also, many expected there to be a CB/WR swap. So Ricks might make the team or maybe they trade a CB for another position, we'll see.

Trade Ricks to the Raiders for TE4 Zach Gentry. 6'8 265, should be able to block.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

But where are the other Washington WRs on that list then? Dotaon wasn't their #1 WR, he was their #3.  Terry McLaurin and Curtis Samuel both had substantially more targets than Dotson over the past 2 seasons with the same QBs yet they aren't on that list.

Samuel averaged 0.47 more targets per game than Dotson. I wouldn’t say that’s substantially more. 
 

McLauren was the clear #1. Dotson was penciled in as WR2 due to his draft status and to your point produced less than Samuel in every meaningful statistic. 

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

 

One of my favorite movie lines is from Platoon. "We gonna get high high yes sir!”

Get it boy!

I like James Jones' story about being with the packers WR corps going to play against Revis, Cromartie, and Skrine 

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Dotsons yards per route ran is pretty bad fwiw. Maybe it’s just the way they used him idk, but it’s bad. 

It’s the team from Washington, whatever they are calling themselves this year, he’s been grossly underutilized. Dotson is an easy WR2 for several teams in the league imo, and he’s a three for the Eagles? Not to mention, the small price paid (debatable), to get a position of need.  I do this deal all week long and twice on Sunday.

This is a can’t miss move. If he doesn’t fit for whatever reason, which I doubt, trade him for some similar return, he’s a young receiver with talent. Crap call Jerry, DAL could use a WR2 or WR3.

When he came into the league I expected great things him being a 1st rd pick, but look at where he’s played and the leadership up until this year.

In the end the Eagles are getting a 3rd yr receiver (control though next year?), former 1st rd draft pick who has been in a horrible situation to develop since he came into the league.

I think 10-12 weeks from now you guys are gonna be thrilled to have him.

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

It’s the team from Washington, whatever they are calling themselves this year, he’s been grossly underutilized. Dotson is an easy WR2 for several teams in the league imo, and he’s a three for the Eagles? Not to mention, the small price paid (debatable), to get a position of need.  I do this deal all week long and twice on Sunday.

This is a can’t miss move. If he doesn’t fit for whatever reason, which I doubt, trade him for some similar return, he’s a young receiver with talent. Crap call Jerry, DAL could use a WR2 or WR3.

When he came into the league I expected great things him being a 1st rd pick, but look at where he’s played and the leadership up until this year.

In the end the Eagles are getting a 3rd yr receiver (control though next year?), former 1st rd draft pick who has been in a horrible situation to develop since he came into the league.

I think 10-12 weeks from now you guys are gonna be thrilled to have him.

 

 

 

I think pretty much everyone already is. @RememberTheKoy is pointing this out so that he has the built in excuse when Hurts throws an INT.

Dotson hasnt lived up to his draft slot. But he doesnt have to do that here. The expectation has gone from 1st round pick, starter, to 4th round value WR3 and possibly 3rd, 4th, or 5th read on any given pass play. Not only that, but his match up week to week will be more favorable. His offense overall is far more talented here. He is in a better position to succeed. 

Someone posted a graphic of each WR3 in the league a few days ago. The list isnt good. Dotson doesnt have to be great and you can already say, we have one of the better WR3s in the entire league now. 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

the WR version of Kenny Pickett?  drafted 4 spots apart same year.  The team they were on brought in players that they like more. 

Not a terrible comparison honestly. Matt Canada was supposedly why Pickett sucked, QB instability was the reason Dotson underperformed. Forget that Pickett was a project pocket passer with decent not great measurables and Dotson is 180 lbs and is overly reliant on contested catches.

Not trying to kill the move, but I think folks should be a little more cautious with their optimism here.

Maybe he can be 2017 Agholor, which is his upside at this point I think. I hope that's what we get. But the Commanders gave up on Dotson for a reason.

One thing about Dotson is that Washington wanted him to be an outside receiver (80 and 60 percent of his snaps were on the outside his first two seasons) when he's probably strictly a slot receiver due to his size limitations. I think it shows how a player can get devalued when he is a square peg getting jammed into a round hole. 

10 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

WR3 was arguably the one of the most obvious areas of need. What other positions do you think they will aim to upgrade?

D Smith needed a backup.  The Eagles have D Smith's backup now.  at Z.

WR3 is not a real position.  It's like a fantasy football "position".

The Eagles should just put Dotson behind D Smith,  running all the routes that D Smith does.

He's the same kind of guy - fast, not blazing fast,  4.4something.   good route runner and good hands.   His Penn State highlights seem to show an ability to track the ball, he ended up in the right place on a long of long passes.   He's a Z, and he should be trained to do all the D Smith things.  Because the Eagles are screwed if D Smith stuff wasn't a good sized part of the offense, and that would, as of today,  be Dotson.  If they want to put them all on the field at the same time,  D Smith can be slot,  and Dotson can be Z.

In today's NFL,  you have X (which is AJ Brown and Johnny Wilson as the backup) and you have Z (which is D Smith and Dotson as the backup).  Sometime you have a Fullback,  most of the history of the NFL has a Fullback there.  Sometimes you have a TE2,  sometimes you have a slot receiver.   In Kellen Moores offense,  maybe you have a RB2. 

You need a specific X receiver, there are plays drawn up that have an X receiver - AJ Brown - doing things,  and a Z receiver doing things,  and you need more than one player to do those things.  And the other position could be any number of things.  It doesn't require any particular position.  FB, TE, RB, WR,  any of those players could do that,  an OL could be there,  a player from defense.   But the offense has an X and a Z almost always.  and having a backup there who can do what the starter does is good to have,  arguably necessary, but sometimes it seems otherwise.

9 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

But the Commanders gave up on Dotson for a reason.Read an article today that said DQ was trying to stick it to DAL by trading in division in this case, I think it was on The Landry Hat site maybe. Anyway, laughable. They’ll write anything to get you to read.