1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Ringo could very well be a starting outside corner in 2025. Have a little patience. 

No arguing there. He could be, but I think the numbers are against him right now. Also realize I called Quinyon Mitchell the wrong name of Williams by accident. 

Here's how I look at the potential 2025 starters.

CB1- Quinyon Mitchell

CB2- Cooper DeJean

S1- CJGJ

S2- Sydney Brown/Reed Blankenship

Slot CB- Winner of Maddox/Hall/McPhearson gets extension.

I loved Ringo at UGA. I think he has a world of talent and hope he can figure out how to tap in to it here. However, drafting two CB 1 and 2 might have derailed his path here.

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue they basically quit after losing to the cardinals. That giants game they mailed in too. 

For sure, I’d say the same thing. At the time of the Cardinals game there was a lot of excuse making going on, the playoff game just cemented everyone was completely done. 

So what are the most important battles for camp and early season?  We know camp will be a joke…so, for better or worse, there will likely be a preselected winner who has a tenuous hold on the job starting week 1.  In order of importance:

1. RG.  Steen probably going to be the guy week 1 unless he somehow is a disaster in walkthroughs (camp).  Hennessy is probably the safety blanket.  They aren’t expecting anything from Keegan or Beckton…but it’s not outside the realm of possibility that one could insert themselves into this conversation with some luck and good looks.

2. CB 2.  Everyone wants this to be Mitchell.  I think it will be by the end of the year.  Bradberry may have more of a look here than we’d like.  Ringo and DeJeane may get looks too, even though everyone assumes the future is 2025 for Ringo and potentially a different position for DeJeane.

3.  WR 3.  I’m holding on to the glimmer of hope that Parris Campbell can finally play to his athleticism and speed…and stay healthy.  It’s highly unlikely to happen, but he does possess a deep speed and agility that we lack at WR.  Parker is just 2023 Julio Jones redux.  The rookie Smith seems to be their long term plan for the slot…but I really worry he will contract the offense relative to what someone like Campbell can do.  I suspect Campbell will start with a lot of the reps, giving way to Parker when they just want someone to box out a DB in tight coverage.  Smith will get worked in, but will probably be penciled in for that job in 2025.

4t. S2.  Blankenship is probably your week 1 starter.  Sydney Brown is going to be well behind due to injury and experience.  I’m not sure anyone knows exactly where DeJeane is going to get his reps, so he varies anywhere from out of this conversation to the starter by the end of the year.

4t. CB 3.  Again, their lack of a meaningful camp gives a huge edge to established players in position battles.  That means expect Maddox to be a big factor here.  Hall is the safety blanket.  DeJeane and Rodgers will get an opportunity to demand playing time.  Same thing applies to DeJeane here as his other spots.

6.  KOR.  I have know idea what the NFL is cooking up with kickoffs this year, but it sounds like KR is about to be more important.  They made sure half their draft picks were dynamic return guys.  This will be a pretty interesting competition.  

Honorable mention:
LB1/2/3:  The LB corps is highly unsettled, but we all know they will be starting off with White & Dean.  They could shake that up early and often if things go south, but that’s how it’s going to start.  So there isn’t much of a competition here.

RB2/3: Gainwell is going to be the guy after Barkley.  But Shipley might push for reps there and will have a chance early on to make that case.

6 hours ago, just relax said:

As are the four fumbles. Also, please note Michael Clay's comments that @Connecticut Eagle posted. They don't know what style returner is best. You want a 173-lb guy returning KOs?

Where is Brian Mitchell when we really need him?

He’s Will Shipley.   Was a pretty good KOR in college and good speed.   His 3 fumbles a year average is a bit concerning but having not watched those fumbles, I can't say much. 

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No arguing there. He could be, but I think the numbers are against him right now. Also realize I called Quinyon Mitchell the wrong name of Williams by accident. 

Here's how I look at the potential 2025 starters.

CB1- Quinyon Mitchell

CB2- Cooper DeJean

S1- CJGJ

S2- Sydney Brown/Reed Blankenship

Slot CB- Winner of Maddox/Hall/McPhearson gets extension.

I loved Ringo at UGA. I think he has a world of talent and hope he can figure out how to tap in to it here. However, drafting two CB 1 and 2 might have derailed his path here.

It was a low bar, but I thought Ringo was the best DB on the team down the stretch.  

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No arguing there. He could be, but I think the numbers are against him right now. Also realize I called Quinyon Mitchell the wrong name of Williams by accident. 

Here's how I look at the potential 2025 starters.

CB1- Quinyon Mitchell

CB2- Cooper DeJean

S1- CJGJ

S2- Sydney Brown/Reed Blankenship

Slot CB- Winner of Maddox/Hall/McPhearson gets extension.

I loved Ringo at UGA. I think he has a world of talent and hope he can figure out how to tap in to it here. However, drafting two CB 1 and 2 might have derailed his path here.

There’s certainly a world where Ringo gets relegated to backup long term and makes his biggest mark on special teams. There’s also a reasonable chance DeJean’s best position is safety/nickel and we need an outside starter opposite Mitchell in 2025. It’s better to have options. The only reason to cut bait on Ringo is if they decide he stinks and don’t want to waste a roster spot on him.

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

No arguing there. He could be, but I think the numbers are against him right now. Also realize I called Quinyon Mitchell the wrong name of Williams by accident. 

Here's how I look at the potential 2025 starters.

CB1- Quinyon Mitchell

CB2- Cooper DeJean

S1- CJGJ

S2- Sydney Brown/Reed Blankenship

Slot CB- Winner of Maddox/Hall/McPhearson gets extension.

I loved Ringo at UGA. I think he has a world of talent and hope he can figure out how to tap in to it here. However, drafting two CB 1 and 2 might have derailed his path here.

DeJean can replace CJGJ at S. Move CJGJ to slot and Ringo opposite of Mitchell

5 hours ago, RunItBAck said:

RAS is another made up scoring system that has little to do with football and more to do with athletic ability in general. Josh McCown had a 9.98 and Joe webb had a 9.99 they were both dog **** as starters. 

Also, Wilson's weaknesses have been identified as poor footwork / releases and bad at catching the football consistently. He's a 6th rounder because he's viewed as a project...if he was any good he wouldn't have made it past round 4

 

I'm not making some Ras - good,  sparq - bad argument.

It's just faster to type ras.   I'm not going to type "combine and pro day numbers" when I can type "Ras"

Like so many things in the US,  I would prefer if ras was better.  It isn't.  It's pretty clear that taller shouldn't give you a better number, especially at positions like running back.  It's pretty clear that Britain Covey shouldn't be near the top of the Defensive Tackle list with a 9.something.  But that's the way it works today.  Oh well.

It may very well be that what I just typed,  despite being something that I personally think other people should understand,  is one of those things that only supergeniuses can understand.  But that's the way it works today.  Oh well.

"more to do with athletic ability in general."   Yes, that's exactly what it is.  Yet,  there is a combine and there are pro days,  and exactly what they do is measure athletic ability in general.  They've been doing it for years.    If there were 10 more tests of athletic ability in general,  and if there were 2000 players doing 30 different tests and the combine lasted a month,  I'd be in favor.  Others disagree.   They have full confidence in their "eye tests" often with no reason to have that confidence.   Objective data,  which can be looked up,  and presented,  is often angrily dismissed in favor of their eye tests.   I'm not talking about front office and scouts,  I'm talking about people who would just as soon talk about the Phillies, Sixers and Flyers as the Eagles. 

Wilson is good as a blocker,  something like top run blocking pff of the top 10 or whatever wrs.  The Eagles were not good at run blocking at the wr position last year,  so adding a good run blocking wr seems like a good move.  Also, those tall wrs are often good red zone threats, and you might as well have another one of those.  If there is some thing that Wilson doesn't do well, coach him up.  If he's great, he plays more, if he's not, he plays less. 

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

There’s certainly a world where Ringo gets relegated to backup long term and makes his biggest mark on special teams. There’s also a reasonable chance DeJean’s best position is safety/nickel and we need an outside starter opposite Mitchell in 2025. It’s better to have options. The only reason to cut bait on Ringo is if they decide he stinks and don’t want to waste a roster spot on him.

It's going to be fun to see how DB plays out. I don't want to "cut bait" with Ringo. But he also might be too valuable to just sit on the bench. Never know what kind of player for player trade Howie might come up with.

Ideally, Mitchell and Ringo are the future at CB1/CB2. DeJean and CJGJ are your safeties. Sydney Brown is S3/slot/jack of all trades. 

40 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

1. RG.  Steen probably going to be the guy week 1 unless he somehow is a disaster in walkthroughs (camp).  Hennessy is probably the safety blanket.  They aren’t expecting anything from Keegan or Beckton…but it’s not outside the realm of possibility that one could insert themselves into this conversation with some luck and good looks.

 

I want Steen to take the job and run with it based on him being a 3rd round pick but at the same time, I think Keegan is the type of player who just comes in and once he gets on the field he's not going to come off and the job is his for the next decade. 

16 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Like so many things in the US,  I would prefer if ras was better. 

This is one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read here. Bravo. 

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Huh?

If you activate an 8th OL you get two additional actives over and above 46

5 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If you have 8 OL active, you can have 48 active players. If you don't have 8 active OL, you can only have 47 active players on gameday. 

I believe it is 46 not 47.  But I could be wrong.

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

New rule coming when the 49ers cried about 3 QBs?    I might have to rethink the Covey thing.  Player 47 is the 3rd QB, OL #8 is 48... so they still have 46 players to dress.   Seems I was worrying for nothing.

Actually I believe the 3rd QB becomes 49.

6 hours ago, bpac55 said:

It will be interesting to see what kind of players they keep for it that's for sure. It will almost be like a running play with the blocking schemes and such. I wouldn't be surprised if they keep 4 TE again and more LB than we expect. Definitely not a straight line speed play anymore. 

Are there 4 TEs worth keeping?  I can only think of one. 

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

A veteran as good as Wilson or Parker? Wilson may not even beat out Ngata or the other big WRs they have on the roster.

He might not win the battle but Wilson was a good blocker in college and is more athletic than Pascal and a tad better than Pascal as to hands and that factors in his frustrating drops.  It seems pretty obvious that Nick wants a big blocking WR.  Plus at 6’6”, Hurts should be able to hit him on short cuts over the middle.  But rather than have a WR4 that fits what our offense needs and a potential resource for STs on coverage, you would sacrifice that position for a PR that hasn’t shown much more.  Let them battle before making pronouncements. 

Syd looks jacked AF. Hope he recovers soon as I really like him as a player. He is the rare kind of player who you need to slow down to be better, he played like a tracer missile last year.

Carter looks lean. #76 has got to be half-giant.

40 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

 

Wilson is good as a blocker...

You know youve lost the argument when one resorts to this ^

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

It was fun watching the contrasting way that Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio handle press conferences.

Vic had a very "I’m too old for this crap” bluntness and directly answered questions with a wry smile.

Kellen Moore took simple questions and turned them into lectures where he didn’t end up say a whole lot. Hes very well versed with coach speak and dancing around the answer

Coaching a team these days in Miami must be tough. 

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

What are you getting for Ringo? He was a fourth round pick who barely played. 

Yeah - we have to try to trade some CBs but don’t want to let young, cheap devloping talent walk for nothing like they did with Polk, etc. 
 

Here’s my view:

Bradberry - top of the list to go, pay the $10 MM if you can get a conditional 3rd/4th for him in a trade.

Ringo - don’t trade for less than a 4th - what we paid for him. He could start for some teams this year or next. Would be fine keeping him as cheap, key depth for three more years.

Ricks - trade if you can get a 6th, otherwise keep as he is good special teams and locker room and may become decent back-up

Rodgers - like Ringo, quality back-up who can be traded but only for a conditional 4th or better. 

Maddox and McPhearson. - if you can get a 6th/7th for either, trade em. One or both will like be cut. 
 

Rest of the guys will be cut/PS. 
 

 

8 minutes ago, eggs said:

Are there 4 TEs worth keeping?  I can only think of one. 

I think they keep uzuma, I have no idea how to spell or pronounce his name, hes an excellent blocker, upgrade over stoll in that and hes a reliable receiver.

After that Albert O who hasnt shown much wll get his chance in Camp and Preseason, with Calcaterra and Castles the same 

They gave quite a bit of guaranteed money to castles so he should have a legit shot, I havent been impressed with much from Calcaterra and Albert O who knows.

The last 3 are all very similar, pretty athletic not great blockers, Albert O has the most length of the 3 and the most experience so we'll see.

Personally i like Castles hes great after the catch but who knows maybe Albert O finally puts it together?

Having said that I dont think they keep 4

5 minutes ago, eggs said:

Yeah - we have to try to trade some CBs but don’t want to let young, cheap devloping talent walk for nothing like they did with Polk, etc. 
 

Here’s my view:

Bradberry - top of the list to go, pay the $10 MM if you can get a conditional 3rd/4th for him in a trade.

Ringo - don’t trade for less than a 4th - what we paid for him. He could start for some teams this year or next. Would be fine keeping him as cheap, key depth for three more years.

Ricks - trade if you can get a 6th, otherwise keep as he is good special teams and locker room and may become decent back-up

Rodgers - like Ringo, quality back-up who can be traded but only for a conditional 4th or better. 

Maddox and McPhearson. - if you can get a 6th/7th for either, trade em. One or both will like be cut. 
 

Rest of the guys will be cut/PS. 
 

 

Bottom line is, I think we can get a mid/low round draft pick or maybe two and still have cheap, quality back-up at CB behind Slay, Mitchell and either Dejean or Ringo for the next 3 years. 

2 minutes ago, eggs said:

Yeah - we have to try to trade some CBs but don’t want to let young, cheap devloping talent walk for nothing like they did with Polk, etc. 
 

Here’s my view:

Bradberry - top of the list to go, pay the $10 MM if you can get a conditional 3rd/4th for him in a trade.

Ringo - don’t trade for less than a conditional 4th - what we paid for him. He could start for some teams this year or next. Would be fine keeping him as cheap, key depth for three more years.

Ricks - trade if you can get a 6th, otherwise keep as he is good special teams and locker room and may become decent back-up

Rodgers - like Ringo, quality back-up who can be traded but only for a conditional 4th or better. 

Maddox and McPhearson. - if you can get a 6th/7th for either, trade em. One or both will like be cut. 
 

Rest of the guys will be cut/PS. 

I think people are under rating rodgers, the dude was the 5th highest rated CB in the league the last tine he played, howie didnt go through all the trouble he did for him just so he can trade him.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

It was a low bar, but I thought Ringo was the best DB on the team down the stretch.  

And he's only 21 years old. 

6 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The ones on the PS still have to go through waivers to get to the PS, unless they are a vested vet.   PS members are NOT free agents until they pass through waivers.  Once they are on the PS, then you are correct they have the right to refuse to sign with any team.  But, it is a rare thing for a player to turn down a roster spot with another team versus sitting on a PS.   PS status, last I checked, doesn't equate to pension service time, whereas sitting on a roster does.  Sitting on a PS also doesn't count towards vested status either, as far as I know.  So, there are reasons for players to much rather be on a roster than on a PS.  

 

But, all of this misses the point I was making.  On Gameday you get 46 uniforms to distribute.  No more, no less.   Giving one to a uni-tasker limits flexibility in other areas.  And that's the rub.  Covey, as a one trick pony, being on the PS or the roster is far less important than whether or not he's one of the 46 that dresses.  But, I did hear that once upon a time he played QB, so he could be the #3QB too!  

 

I see the very passionate Eagles fans are passionate about downgrading at the punt returner position.

Covey could play more snaps at WR,  or not.  I don't see A Smith getting snaps instead of Covey.   Parris Campbell maybe.

But "take the mystery box" because you could get a boat is stupid when you have and want,  a boat.

Quite a few people here seem to be looking at lists upside down.   Covey had the MOST punt return yards in the NFL,  not the least.  Covey had the MOST punt returns of 20+ yards in the NFL, not the least.  You want that.  You want league leaders in good things like punt return yards and 20+ yard punt returns.  The fact that he could either play more wr or not do that is a great advantage.   Because it's not uncommon for the best punt returner to be someone who is a starter at some position,  playing a lot of snaps at that position, and it can be difficult to do.   The Eagles can dial up the right amount of wr snaps to go with the league leading punt return yardage and the league leading 20+ punt returns. 

And yes,  Covey won the state championship 2 years in a row at QB (so did Cooper DeJean).  And when he's in the backfield,  he can be a threat to throw,  he's a versatile player.  In college,  3 attempts, 3 completions,  2 tds, and a passer rating over 500.    Back in the old days halfback option passes were not uncommon.  T formation.  Before that, in the single wing,  it would not be uncommon for all 4 backs to throw a pass in the same game.  So, yeah, I think more than just the QB can throw a pass, and I like players on the team and on the field who can do that well.    I like hiras players with versatility, and QB is the best versatility.  10/10 ras,  defensive all american, high school QB.  I like college QB and something else too.   Those are generally the players I think the Eagles, and any team, really, should get.   And the Eagles often do get them.  The Eagles have a good number of them,  there can always be more.   Covey in the backfield,  DeJean in the backfield,  VanSumeren in the backfield,  Baun in the backfield.  All with QB experience.   There are a lot of LBs with RB/WR experience.  Big and fast.  These are players who can learn a few plays.  These are not players who are expected to become starting NFL running backs or wide receivers,  but there would be things that players on defense would be able to do well.  Those LBs should be able to block well.   Most hudl has highlights, running and catching mostly,  but they're doing their share of blocking too.