35 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I believe the 'playing possum' narrative was put forth by the great RAS lover of the board.

It was extremely dumb, so that tracks.

35 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Nick steps down to go to rehab for his Rock, Paper, Scissors addiction and Moore becomes the head coach.  

Let's hope.

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

Insane to trade our 2025 starter at CB. 

I'm not ready to pencil him in as a starter of the future yet, but there's no value in trading him now.   He was a 4th round pick a year ago, with virtually no playing time.   Why would his value have risen?    It would be making a trade just to make a trade.   

11 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

wrong.

the eagles suffered last year due to subpar run blocking by the wrs and rbs.

what should happen is for players like Smith, especially, and also Brown,  come off the field in overall run situations,  like the 4th Q when the Eagles are planning on running out the clock and handing it to Barkley often, and Wilson could come in.  I would like the star wrs to be fresh and healthy for the playoffs, and taking them off the field in run blocking situations seems like a good way to do that. 

ras compare as WR - Johnny Wilson and Albert Ok.   I'd like the Eagles to remember he exists this year.   Albert Ok had a faster 40 at his combine than Johnny Wilson,  and is 27 pounds heavier. 

RAS??? Whats that never heard of it🤔

Look im sure Jonny Wilson is a good blocker but the eagles arent going to keep him over similarly talented WR because he can block, he still has to be able to function as a WR.

If all we needed was a blocking WR bring JJAW back😒

4 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Devin Hester did not have significantly less hang time to deal with than modern returners the record hangtime is generally accepted as a 5.71 by Tommy Townsend in 2020, Pat McAfee was hitting 5.6 for the Colts in 2009, the average is still around 5 seconds which is where it's been for a good while.

You are falling into the trap of making the exception the rule.  The average/typical punter now compared to the average/typical punter from the prior period is the meaningful comparison.  @FranklinFldEBUpper can weigh in with actual statistics rather than anecdotes.

Franklin may also be able to tell us what each additional 0.1 seconds of hang time translates to in the number of yards a gunner covers as the punt descends toward the returner.

49 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I believe the 'playing possum' narrative was put forth by the great RAS lover of the board.

Yeah, that tracks. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They quit long before the playoff game.    They let a Seattle offense led by Drew Lock walk down the field and score a TD to beat them at the end of the game in Seattle, and surrendered 10 unanswered points in the 4th quarter.  

They surrendered 29 points to the Cardinals in the second half of that game.  

They literally all came out of the Giants game the last week of the season, because they were scared of injury.   But, they hadn't actually EARNED being rested.  The entire team was in the midst of a massive collapse, and they needed to be WORKED to get it righted before the playoffs.  Instead, they went milquetoast and tucked their tails and walked away.  There, it was the coaching staff, that quit on the team rather than vice versa.  

 

This team had no fight in it after the 49ers pantsed them at home.  They didn't come out angry and take it out on the next opponent, they got embarrassed by the next one too, on National television.   From the 49ers game on... they were an embarrassment to watch.   Fortunately, they got to play a Tommy Devito led Giants team and squeaked out one win, otherwise it would have been a 7 game losing streak, counting the playoffs.  Winning 1 game in 7 tries is Panthers level pathetic.   And that's what this team was down the stretch last season.  And they were far too talented to claim it was all coaching.   That's a cop out to protect the delicate egos of the players.  They quit.   The coaches didn't help things, but the players absolutely quit on themselves, their coaches and the fans.  

I don't know if it was not having any fight in them as much as being poorly prepared, having a talent issue in the secondary and coached poorly.  It was a historic collapse given the talent on the roster.   Given the veterans on the team, I think it was more than just a lack of effort.  The Seattle game is where Bradberry just got repeatedly cooked.  The 49ers game 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Same reason we should trade AJ.  

39 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not ready to pencil him in as a starter of the future yet, but there's no value in trading him now.   He was a 4th round pick a year ago, with virtually no playing time.   Why would his value have risen?    It would be making a trade just to make a trade.   

I bet you don't even play Madden on GM mode.  

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I don't know if it was not having any fight in them as much as being poorly prepared, having a talent issue in the secondary and coached poorly.  It was a historic collapse given the talent on the roster.   Given the veterans on the team, I think it was more than just a lack of effort.  The Seattle game is where Bradberry just got repeatedly cooked.  The 49ers game 

Coaching plays a part, no doubt.  And I think the lack of trust in the coaches is the source for the poor effort in those final 7 games.  But tackling was horrid.  Tackling starts with effort.  Bad tackling, many times, boils down to lack of effort.  

 

And it seemed as the game wore on, the effort levels dwindled.

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I bet you don't even play Madden on GM mode.  

I did...

 

 

 

 

 

in like 2004.   

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Coaching plays a part, no doubt.  And I think the lack of trust in the coaches is the source for the poor effort in those final 7 games.  But tackling was horrid.  Tackling starts with effort.  Bad tackling, many times, boils down to lack of effort.  

 

And it seemed as the game wore on, the effort levels dwindled.

Maybe I missed it but I thought the problem wasn't the tackling as much as the wide open receivers in the secondary.  It's hard to tackle when the defender has to chase down a receiver.  

If Ringo doesn't develop at outside corner which is certainly possible, he may have a future at S. He looks to be more natural facing the QB and using his speed to read and react and has quality size for it. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Maybe I missed it but I thought the problem wasn't the tackling as much as the wide open receivers in the secondary.  It's hard to tackle when the defender has to chase down a receiver.  

It was both.   They were wide open, and they also were allowed to run free after the catch because they didn't give the effort to tackle.   One particular play that stands out was an easy pitch and catch crossing pattern, and the receiver turns up the sidelines for a bigger gain... the player in pursuit doesn't turn and chase, Kevin Byard ends up getting run past, as he just freezes and doesn't even make an attempt at a tackle.   I don't remember the opponent, but I remember the complete and utter lack of hustle and attempt to make any sort of tackle.   I can't remember if the player scored or if it was just a 30+ yard gain, because someone else from elsewhere caught up in pursuit, but the closest players to the catch seemed to give up on the play, assuming the WR would just run out of bounds.  The closest trailer bailed on the play and Byard became a statue.

22 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

Is that Huff on the right ? I thought he'd win for sure, looked like he was just hanging in the park from the look on his face.

I don’t.  They need KOR that fit the new rule and their primary KOR last year left.  The rule calls for two KOR.  They need back ups too.  Even if Covey sticks, they need a back up PR.  They had a bunch of third day picks and Smith, Shipley and Wilson all show STs capabilities (PFF, for what it’s worth, very little in my mind, had Wilson as the top blocking WR in college last year.)  They signed one rookie from the tryouts, Stephens, who had a 100 yd KO return. I think they targeted players with return capabilities to some degree, not primarily but in anticipation of need.

5 hours ago, just relax said:

I defer to @FranklinFldEBUpper on this subject. Hopefully he’ll chime in.

The average hangtime in the NFL is nowhere close to 5.0 seconds. Around 4.5 would be about right. 

13 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Speaking of Ringo, I didn't like trading a future 3rd for a 4th at the time, but I think Ringo was a much better prospect than anyone they could have taken with that 3rd this year. At least as we stand right now. It could prove to be a pretty wise trade. I wonder if Howie factored in the 2024 draft being weak when he made that trade a year ago. If he did, smart on him.

Howie definitely factors in strength of drafts, as well as other GMs having a higher discount rate, that's why he picked up 3 picks in next year's draft.

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The average hangtime in the NFL is nowhere close to 5.0 seconds. Around 4.5 would be about right. 

I seem to recall you saying that several times over the last few years, backed with stats. 

16 hours ago, eagle45 said:

So what are the most important battles for camp and early season?  We know camp will be a joke…so, for better or worse, there will likely be a preselected winner who has a tenuous hold on the job starting week 1.  In order of importance:

1. RG.  Steen probably going to be the guy week 1 unless he somehow is a disaster in walkthroughs (camp).  Hennessy is probably the safety blanket.  They aren’t expecting anything from Keegan or Beckton…but it’s not outside the realm of possibility that one could insert themselves into this conversation with some luck and good looks.

2. CB 2.  Everyone wants this to be Mitchell.  I think it will be by the end of the year.  Bradberry may have more of a look here than we’d like.  Ringo and DeJeane may get looks too, even though everyone assumes the future is 2025 for Ringo and potentially a different position for DeJeane.

3.  WR 3.  I’m holding on to the glimmer of hope that Parris Campbell can finally play to his athleticism and speed…and stay healthy.  It’s highly unlikely to happen, but he does possess a deep speed and agility that we lack at WR.  Parker is just 2023 Julio Jones redux.  The rookie Smith seems to be their long term plan for the slot…but I really worry he will contract the offense relative to what someone like Campbell can do.  I suspect Campbell will start with a lot of the reps, giving way to Parker when they just want someone to box out a DB in tight coverage.  Smith will get worked in, but will probably be penciled in for that job in 2025.

4t. S2.  Blankenship is probably your week 1 starter.  Sydney Brown is going to be well behind due to injury and experience.  I’m not sure anyone knows exactly where DeJeane is going to get his reps, so he varies anywhere from out of this conversation to the starter by the end of the year.

4t. CB 3.  Again, their lack of a meaningful camp gives a huge edge to established players in position battles.  That means expect Maddox to be a big factor here.  Hall is the safety blanket.  DeJeane and Rodgers will get an opportunity to demand playing time.  Same thing applies to DeJeane here as his other spots.

6.  KOR.  I have know idea what the NFL is cooking up with kickoffs this year, but it sounds like KR is about to be more important.  They made sure half their draft picks were dynamic return guys.  This will be a pretty interesting competition.  

Honorable mention:
LB1/2/3:  The LB corps is highly unsettled, but we all know they will be starting off with White & Dean.  They could shake that up early and often if things go south, but that’s how it’s going to start.  So there isn’t much of a competition here.

RB2/3: Gainwell is going to be the guy after Barkley.  But Shipley might push for reps there and will have a chance early on to make that case.

Crap happens in TC. Guys will come out of nowhere and wow coaches.

Remember, both Fangio and Moore are new, so from their vantage point, it's an even playing field. They don't have favorites on this roster.

Probably the only reason Bradberry is on the roster is he costs as much to cut as to keep, so anything you can get for him (he'll cost a lot less for the other team) is a plus.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

You are falling into the trap of making the exception the rule.  The average/typical punter now compared to the average/typical punter from the prior period is the meaningful comparison.  @FranklinFldEBUpper can weigh in with actual statistics rather than anecdotes.

Franklin may also be able to tell us what each additional 0.1 seconds of hang time translates to in the number of yards a gunner covers as the punt descends toward the returner.

I’m not motivated enough at the moment to go turn on my other computer to access all the data. (I haven’t even been motivated enough to finish doing the data from the playoff debacle.) But I have no doubt whatsoever that hangtime averages have increased a lot over the past two decades. Certainly by 0.2 seconds and perhaps by as much as 0.4 seconds. Off the top of my head, I believe Sean Landeta was right around 4.0 seconds when he was with the Eagles and that was comparable to what his opponents were managing. Braden Mann was around 4.50 seconds last year. The improvemen has been so gradual that as fans we don’t notice it. But if you were to go back and look at older games, it would be striking. Hell, there are probably about twenty guys in the league right now who are better than Ray Guy was. Same for kicking. Pete Gogolak wouldn’t even make it out of minicamp. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Coaching plays a part, no doubt.  And I think the lack of trust in the coaches is the source for the poor effort in those final 7 games.  But tackling was horrid.  Tackling starts with effort.  Bad tackling, many times, boils down to lack of effort.  

 

And it seemed as the game wore on, the effort levels dwindled.

No one complained about the "soft" practices in 2022. And they had a number of scrimmages with other teams instead of exhibition games, where they could work on specific situations and groups.

It makes sense to keep a light load on veterans with a 20 game schedule (Eagles don't plan on missing the playoffs).

However, you need to work the kids, especially those who aren't probably going to start, to speed their development.

Like all things, finding the proper balance.

I saw Jamin Davis had 5th year option declined.  Any chance we make a trade offer with Washington for him?  Would would that cost us and would you be interested?

25 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No one complained about the "soft" practices in 2022. And they had a number of scrimmages with other teams instead of exhibition games, where they could work on specific situations and groups.

It makes sense to keep a light load on veterans with a 20 game schedule (Eagles don't plan on missing the playoffs).

However, you need to work the kids, especially those who aren't probably going to start, to speed their development.

Like all things, finding the proper balance.

That is UNEQUIVOCABLY FALSE.    I did complain about the 'soft' practices in 2022.   I complained about them leading up to the 2023 season.   I complained about them leading up to the 2021 season.   Yes, yes... they had a number of scrimmages with other teams and that's better because they can work on specific things.   And yet, they struggled with 'game situations' during the course of the season.  Short practices... soft practices... leads to bad tackling and bad conditioning.   The Eagles got nice 4th quarter results early in the year... and then it all came crashing down, and they got beaten in the games in the 4th quarter down the stretch... almost like their conditioning failed them, because they hadn't worked hard enough to be able to hang when it really mattered.

 

Being the lightest practice team in the NFL sure sounds like they didn't find a proper balance.

 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That is UNEQUIVOCABLY FALSE.    I did complain about the 'soft' practices in 2022.   I complained about them leading up to the 2023 season.   I complained about them leading up to the 2021 season.   Yes, yes... they had a number of scrimmages with other teams and that's better because they can work on specific things.   And yet, they struggled with 'game situations' during the course of the season.  Short practices... soft practices... leads to bad tackling and bad conditioning.   The Eagles got nice 4th quarter results early in the year... and then it all came crashing down, and they got beaten in the games in the 4th quarter down the stretch... almost like their conditioning failed them, because they hadn't worked hard enough to be able to hang when it really mattered.

 

Being the lightest practice team in the NFL sure sounds like they didn't find a proper balance.

I complained about them until they made it to the super bowl against KC and then I just figured theres more than 1 way to skin a cat.