April 10, 2025Apr 10 You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. I have yet to hear any coherent argument about how a company like Apple would move their entire supply chain out of China.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 Just now, Gannan said: You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. I have yet to hear any coherent argument about how a company like Apple would move their entire supply chain out of China. Don't worry Foxcomm is coming to Wisconsin anyday now.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 14 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Market realized that the tariffs are in still in place, S&P down 5% lol Don't be so cynical. We're almost back to where we started!
April 10, 2025Apr 10 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Don't be so cynical. We're almost back to where we started yesterday! FYP
April 10, 2025Apr 10 Just so we are all clear, the US and China basically had the same tariff rate on each other before this clown show began. We put an average 19.3% on Chinese goods, and they put an average of 21.1%. Now, there are obviously other issues with China like IP theft and state sponsored entities (the currency manipulation talking point is stale and hasn't been true for a while). But the actual tariff rates were basically equal. https://www.piie.com/research/piie-charts/2019/us-china-trade-war-tariffs-date-chart
April 10, 2025Apr 10 20 minutes ago, Gannan said: You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. I have yet to hear any coherent argument about how a company like Apple would move their entire supply chain out of China. Florida is working on a solution!
April 10, 2025Apr 10 25 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Tariffs aren’t going to make Americans want to work **** manufacturing jobs. They’re just going to tank the economy as we just got to see firsthand. Trump: So you don’t want to work that sheet manufacturing job? How about if we make everything more expensive for you AND no manufacturing jobs return to the US? Art of the deal
April 10, 2025Apr 10 Well, this isn't good and seems to be a consequence of the clown show. China trying to cut deals with our allies while we are antagonizing them. Smart move by the Chinese.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said: Florida is working on a solution! i'm all for it. keep disney open 24/7.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 5 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Well, this isn't good and seems to be a consequence of the clown show. China trying to cut deals with our allies while we are antagonizing them. Smart move by the Chinese. Right Angle News reported that China came to the table. Is China at the wrong table?
April 10, 2025Apr 10 1 minute ago, Paul852 said: Right Angle News reported that China came to the table. Is China at the wrong table? ain't no bigmac meals on that table.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: ain't no bigmac meals on that table. Trump is waiting for them at Panda Express, but Xi went to PF Chang's.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 If we were serious about boxing out China, we could have just waited a few years until they try to invade Taiwan and used that to get everyone else on board with putting pressure on them. Instead we elected a moron so we didn't have to pay for a few federal inmates to get their Ds lopped off. Fun times.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 54 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Tariffs aren’t going to make Americans want to work **** manufacturing jobs. They’re just going to tank the economy as we just got to see firsthand. If that's your contention, fine. I disagree. But we don't have to pretend that knuckle dragging analogies like "hey guys I run a trade deficit with my grocery store, it ain't so bad" are clever or legitimate arguments. 57 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: I didn’t realize it was possible, but you sound even dumber when you seriously try to explain your position. Be a beta beetch like DHF, and just admit you are clueless and believe whatever the orange master tells you. Yet you didn't try to refute anything. You are as mentally enfeebled as you are physically, which is impressive because you once talked about a 40 minute half mile.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 7 minutes ago, Bill said: If we were serious about boxing out China, we could have just waited a few years until they try to invade Taiwan and used that to get everyone else on board with putting pressure on them. Instead we elected a moron so we didn't have to pay for a few federal inmates to get their Ds lopped off. Fun times. Surely waiting for a nuclear power to kickstart a geopolitical conflict that could threaten the stability of the entire world was the commonsense approach.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/09/opinion/trump-tariffs-pause-china.html Quote I have many reactions to President Trump’s largely caving on his harebrained plan to tariff the world, but overall, one reaction just keeps coming back to me: If you hire clowns, you should expect a circus. And my fellow Americans, we have hired a group of clowns. Think of what Trump; his chief knucklehead, Howard Lutnick (the commerce secretary); his assistant chief knucklehead, Scott Bessent (the Treasury secretary); and his deputy assistant chief knucklehead, Peter Navarro (the top trade adviser), have told us repeatedly for the past weeks: Trump won’t back off on these tariffs because — take your choice — he needs them to keep fentanyl from killing our kids, he needs them to raise revenue to pay for future tax cuts, and he needs them to pressure the world to buy more stuff from us. And he couldn’t care less what his rich pals on Wall Street say about their stock market losses. After creating havoc in the markets standing on these steadfast "principles” — undoubtedly prompting many Americans to sell low out of fear — Trump reversed much of it on Wednesday, announcing a 90-day pause on certain tariffs to most countries, excluding China. Message to the world — and to the Chinese: "I couldn’t take the heat.” If it were a book it would be called "The Art of the Squeal.” But don’t think for a second that all that’s been lost is money. A whole pile of invaluable trust just went up in smoke as well. In the last few weeks, we have told our closest friends in the world — countries that stood shoulder to shoulder with us after Sept. 11, in Iraq and in Afghanistan — that none of them were any different from China or Russia. They were all going to get tariffed under the same formula — no friends-and-family discounts allowed. Do you think these former close U.S. allies are ever going to trust getting into a trench with this administration again? This was the trade equivalent of the Biden administration’s botched exit from Afghanistan, from which it never quite recovered. But at least Joe Biden got us out of a costly no-win war for which America, in my opinion, is now much better off. Trump just put us into a no-win war. How so? We do have a trade imbalance with China that does need to be addressed. Trump is right about that. China now controls one-third of global manufacturing and has the industrial engines to pretty much make everything for everyone one day if it is allowed to. That is not good for us, for Europe or for many developing countries. It is not even good for China, given the fact that by putting so many resources into export industries it is ignoring the meager social safety net it offers its people and its even more threadbare public health care system. But when you have a country as big as China — 1.4 billion people — with the talent, infrastructure and savings it has, the only way to negotiate is with leverage on our side of the table. And the best way to get leverage would have been for Trump to enlist our allies in the European Union, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Brazil, Vietnam, Canada, Mexico, India, Australia and Indonesia into a united front. Make it a negotiation of the whole world versus China. Then you say to Beijing: All of us will gradually raise our tariffs on your exports over the next two years to pressure you to shift from your export economy to a more domestic-oriented one. But we will also invite you to build factories and supply chains in our countries — 50-50 joint ventures — to transfer your expertise back to us the way you compelled us to do for you. We don’t want a bifurcated world. It will be less prosperous for all and less stable. But instead of making it the whole industrial world against China, Trump made it America against the whole industrial world and China. Now, Beijing knows that Trump not only blinked, but he so alienated our allies, so demonstrated that his word cannot be trusted for a second, that many of them may never align with us against China in the same way. They may, instead, see China as a better, more stable long-term partner than us. What a pathetic, shameful performance. Happy Liberation Day.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 45 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Long but good read The problem is, what's obvious to us is not obvious to his voters. Because they're all retarded. All of them. They all believed him when he said the 2020 election was stolen, so they sure as shite are gonna believe him when he says his tariff threats worked and he made the most beautiful deals anyone's ever seen.
April 10, 2025Apr 10 Quote Now, Beijing knows that Trump not only blinked, but he so alienated our allies, so demonstrated that his word cannot be trusted for a second, that many of them may never align with us against China in the same way. They may, instead, see China as a better, more stable long-term partner than us. wow, so much winning!!!!! 😃
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