1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Even though it's only 2 weeks in, while there are some aspects of the team(namely the DL) that I've pretty much given up on, I'm not there yet with the coordinators even though through 2 games I haven't been super impressed with either of them. That said, those are the guys I'm going to be most focused on against the Saints.

If the offense comes out with the same BS... every other drop back, Hurts can't find anyone open so he has to roll out and make something happen with his legs. The biggest plays being on Hurts scrambles. Dotson not getting any passes. Goedert not getting any passes. Covey getting 12 targets, etc. I'm gonna be very close to being out on Kellen Moore only 3 weeks into the season.

Same for Fangio. Look, if the DL just sucks, then it sucks. But if I don't see the defense trying anything different and it's just the same story as MNF just vs a better offense, where they're getting gashed on the ground and can't stop the pass either, I think I'm gonna be out on Fangio too.

Don't care if that's impatient. After last season I'm all out of patience. And the big selling point by the team for this offseason was "New coordinators! Believe in us now!" Ok, then. Time to show you can actually make a difference. Look what Kubiak has done to the Saints offense. I want to see a coordinator actually make a difference this Sunday. If you can't, I got no time for ya. Not saying they have to even win the game. But I want to see a team that looks like they've made adjustments and have improved something to look more competent than Monday night.

Why are you out on Moore without putting any blame on Hurts? He is the guy who can't see the field after his first target is covered. How often does he step up into the pocket when there is pressure vs immediately rolling out?

If staring down the barrel of 1-4 or 2-5, f it. Tear it down. Fire Sirianni. Give Moore a test run. Plus a Top 15 pick in 2025 yields a plus Edge or DT. Howie in the basement please.

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

6-15 is qb purgatory.  Top 5 is competing for a sb as part of an elite offense.

Outside of 15 is one of two things.  Option 1 is a high draft pick in the first two years of their career whose team still thinks they’ll make it to elite.  Option 2 is a seat warmer and the team is actively looking for another qb.

Again, 6-15 is purgatory.  Too good to dump, not good enough to pay 250m and compete.

I said this during the off-season and I still believe it. This season is massive for hurts and the Eagles future going forward. There’s three years worth of data as him as a starter. I’m not gonna use his rookie year because he was a rookie learning and it was a dysfunctional mess.

The book has yet to be finished on this season as we are 2 games in. We have a long way to go. 15 more games will determine a lot going forward. if hurts looks like 2022 or close to it then the eagles are going to continue moving forward with him for the long term. However if hurts is more like 2023 or even worse then they are going to look at the 4 years worth of data. They’ll see 3 of 4 years he hasn’t been able to get himself to the level of 2022. And it’d have been 2 years removed from it. Howie and lurie are forward thinking at the QB position. We’ve seen it with mcnabb and drafting of kolb/signing Vick. We’ve seen it with Vick and drafting of Foles. We’ve seen it with Bradford and drafting of wentz. We’ve seen it with wentz and the drafting of hurts. Heck they stockpiled picks and gave themselves an avenue if hurts wasn’t the guy after 2022. They are not afraid to have forward thinking or go after guys at that position even with an incumbent in place and being paid  

again IF hurts can’t be 2022 or close to it over the next 15, I do not think the Eagles are just gonna sit back and say well 3 out of the 4 years he didn’t play like 2022 but he’s just going to get back to that. I think they’re gonna be proactive and try to position themselves in for the the 2026 offseason/season. This does not mean hurts is not gonna be back in 2025. he’s very likely going to be. Just give themselves optionality for 2026 at the position.

Personally I’m hoping he gets himself consistently back to 2022 or close to it because I don’t wanna have to go out there and find that Qb. especially when we have guys like AJ Brown and Smith in their primes and the last couple years of Lane maybe wasted in searching and developing that qb. 

10 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said this during the off-season and I still believe it. This season is massive for hurts and the Eagles future going forward. There’s three years worth of data as him as a starter. I’m not gonna use his rookie year because he was a rookie learning and it was a dysfunctional mess.

The book has yet to be finished on this season as we are 2 games in. We have a long way to go. 15 more games will determine a lot going forward. if hurts looks like 2022 or close to it then the eagles are going to continue moving forward with him for the long term. However if hurts is more like 2023 or even worse then they are going to look at the 4 years worth of data. They’ll see 3 of 4 years he hasn’t been able to get himself to the level of 2022. And it’d have been 2 years removed from it. Howie and lurie are forward thinking at the QB position. We’ve seen it with mcnabb and drafting of kolb/signing Vick. We’ve seen it with Vick and drafting of Foles. We’ve seen it with Bradford and drafting of wentz. We’ve seen it with wentz and the drafting of hurts. Heck they stockpiled picks and gave themselves an avenue if hurts wasn’t the guy after 2022. They are not afraid to have forward thinking or go after guys at that position even with an incumbent in place and being paid  

again IF hurts can’t be 2022 or close to it over the next 15, I do not think the Eagles are just gonna sit back and say well 3 out of the 4 years he didn’t play like 2022 but he’s just going to get back to that. I think they’re gonna be proactive and try to position themselves in for the the 2026 offseason/season. This does not mean hurts is not gonna be back in 2025. he’s very likely going to be. Just give themselves optionality for 2026 at the position.

Personally I’m hoping he gets himself consistently back to 2022 or close to it because I don’t wanna have to go out there and find that Qb. especially when we have guys like AJ Brown and Smith in their primes and the last couple years of Lane maybe wasted in searching and developing that qb. 

Are we gonna get a Manning?

4 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Are we gonna get a Manning?

The eagles would have to really crash and burn in 2025. I’d say they have too much talent to finish high enough to be in position to do it. Then again the eagles are 2-9 in their last 11 and they have no business with the talent they have being that bad.  

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The eagles would have to really crash and burn in 2025. I’d say they have too much talent to finish high enough to be in position to do it. Then again the eagles are 2-9 in their last 11 and they have no business with the talent they have being that bad.  

9 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

33 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said this during the off-season and I still believe it. This season is massive for hurts and the Eagles future going forward. There’s three years worth of data as him as a starter. I’m not gonna use his rookie year because he was a rookie learning and it was a dysfunctional mess.

The book has yet to be finished on this season as we are 2 games in. We have a long way to go. 15 more games will determine a lot going forward. if hurts looks like 2022 or close to it then the eagles are going to continue moving forward with him for the long term. However if hurts is more like 2023 or even worse then they are going to look at the 4 years worth of data. They’ll see 3 of 4 years he hasn’t been able to get himself to the level of 2022. And it’d have been 2 years removed from it. Howie and lurie are forward thinking at the QB position. We’ve seen it with mcnabb and drafting of kolb/signing Vick. We’ve seen it with Vick and drafting of Foles. We’ve seen it with Bradford and drafting of wentz. We’ve seen it with wentz and the drafting of hurts. Heck they stockpiled picks and gave themselves an avenue if hurts wasn’t the guy after 2022. They are not afraid to have forward thinking or go after guys at that position even with an incumbent in place and being paid  

again IF hurts can’t be 2022 or close to it over the next 15, I do not think the Eagles are just gonna sit back and say well 3 out of the 4 years he didn’t play like 2022 but he’s just going to get back to that. I think they’re gonna be proactive and try to position themselves in for the the 2026 offseason/season. This does not mean hurts is not gonna be back in 2025. he’s very likely going to be. Just give themselves optionality for 2026 at the position.

Personally I’m hoping he gets himself consistently back to 2022 or close to it because I don’t wanna have to go out there and find that Qb. especially when we have guys like AJ Brown and Smith in their primes and the last couple years of Lane maybe wasted in searching and developing that qb. 

Cap ramifications would be horrendous, but if he isn't the guy they need to trade him before he becomes worthless. 

Week 3 is early for a make it or break it game, but that's essentially what it is. If they don't play well the season is over to anyone sensible and I wouldn't be upset if they lose all their games outside of Dallas. 

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Cap ramifications would be horrendous, but if he isn't the guy they need to trade him before he becomes worthless. 

Week 3 is early for a make it or break it game, but that's essentially what it is. If they don't play well the season is over to anyone sensible and I wouldn't be upset if they lose all their games outside of Dallas. 

Cap ramifications after 2025 aren’t nearly as harsh as dead money. They’ll have significant dead money (which in past shown they’d do) but cap space wise it’s far less. If he’s cut as post June 1st in 2026 offseason it’s 32.6 mil dead money and a 858K cap hit. If he’s traded in the 2026 offseason it’s 32.6 mil dead money and 878K cap hit (pre June 1st trade)

That said we have 15 games left to see where he’s at by year’s end.

I also believe this, if the Eagles look like they rolled over and died the next two weeks I firmly believe that Nick Sirianni is getting fired in the bye week. They need to look competitive the next two weeks. Even if they lose both and they are close games and competitive I don’t think they fire him. But if they look like they did against the Giants and Tampa Bay at the end of last year then he’s getting fired. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Cap ramifications after 2025 aren’t nearly as harsh as dead money. They’ll have significant dead money (which in past shown they’d do) but cap space wise it’s far less. If he’s cut as post June 1st in 2026 offseason it’s 32.6 mil dead money and a 858K cap hit. If he’s traded in the 2026 offseason it’s 32.6 mil dead money and 878K cap hit (pre June 1st trade)

I'm ready

Just don't see it

I drank the koolaid 

But it was laced with LSD

(Loser Staring at Defenses)

8 hours ago, pangbun said:

@mattwill

Eagles - 17

 

Saints - 37

 

Bonus Prediction - Siri will go for it on his first three 4th down scenarios, converting none, instead of punting or taking the easy three points. There will be at least 6 plays in the game that will be bubble screens to Covey, that will gain 2 yards total. DeVonta Smith will get injured blocking on one of those. Big Dom will be seen wearing Kelce's velour track suit on the sideline. Josh Huff will officially register a "hurry", and celebrate by ripping off his helmet and running down the sideline with his tongue out, Siri chasing and jumping next to him. Howie will sign Malcolm Jenkins for one game, out of retirement to load the box and help with run support, and to stick it to his old team. Taysom Hill will have over 100 yds rushing. Kamara will have 172. Cooper DeJawn will get a pick, and Merrill Reese will mistakenly say it was Reid Blankenship that did it.

If Josh Huff registers a hurry it will be a miracle. He's been out of the league for what? - six years? Then again, if Bryce Huff registers a hurry it will be a miracle as well.

10 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Lurie is a great owner. He’s obviously not perfect and we rightfully complain about things, but on the whole we should be thankful for his tenure. They’ve been a competitive team for the better part of 25 years now. It could have been 100x worse. 

*nods in david tepper

40 minutes ago, just relax said:

If Josh Huff registers a hurry it will be a miracle. He's been out of the league for what? - six years? Then again, if Bryce Huff registers a hurry it will be a miracle as well.

Sadly, the odds of Josh Huff getting a sack on Sunday are probably the same as Bryce Huff. 

6 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Why are you out on Moore without putting any blame on Hurts? He is the guy who can't see the field after his first target is covered. How often does he step up into the pocket when there is pressure vs immediately rolling out?

Not like anyone else is putting blame on Moore. Pretty much everyone is blaming Sirianni for...

...

Not meddling? I think? Even though all offseason they were ready to off themselves because they were sure he'd meddle too much?

5 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

If staring down the barrel of 1-4 or 2-5, f it. Tear it down. Fire Sirianni. Give Moore a test run. Plus a Top 15 pick in 2025 yields a plus Edge or DT. Howie in the basement please.

I'm not interested in giving Moore a chance unless he shows me something that actually makes me want to give him a chance. The performance of his offenses in both games so far have been highly questionable, and on top of them being highly questionable, he made the game-losing head scratcher of a call against Atlanta when all he had to do was run HB toss. I'm not promoting him for doing a bad job, why the hell would I?

15 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Vrabel ran the defense…

Was he not the head coach?

@mattwill

Eagles 23

Saints 41

Bonus: No turnovers from Hurts. (It has to happen eventually, right??)

10 hours ago, Desertbirds said:

Hurts is paid at an elite level. Is he playing at that level?

Is 9th highest paid QB elite money?

15 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts and getting sick on a MNF game go hand in hand anymore

Glad he felt like the rest of us did. 

8 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Is 9th highest paid QB elite money?

At the time he signed the deal, yes, it was.   Now?  There have been more mediocre QBs signed to even bigger deals driving his deal down the list.   But, honestly, there are a bunch of overpaid QBs relative to their level of play.  Very few, and perhaps only 1 is truly a tide lifter who can elevate everyone of the players on the field with him.  Hurts isn't one of them.  It might only be Mahomes that is that guy.

The issue is both Sirianni and Hurts.

Sirianni needs to just step aside and let Moore run the offense. I don't think they are setup for success to let Moore call the plays and Sirianni deals with all the situational things. It ruins the flow and strategy Moore can have if he's not on the same page as Sirianni. There needs to be one voice for the offense. I was very much against bringing him back, but I don't see what he adds other than adding another layer decisions need to be funneled through.

Hurts is not playing within the framework of the offense and tends to go off script too often. He gets impatient when the offense isn't working and reverts to hero ball. While it can be successful at times, it is not a sustainable way to put points on the board. The first few drives against the Falcons were all Moore and Hurts playing within the offense. They struggled a bit and then Hurts reverted to hero ball where they ended up scoring their first TD. Hurts needs to be more patient, period.

10 hours ago, eagle45 said:

6-15 is qb purgatory.  Top 5 is competing for a sb as part of an elite offense.

Outside of 15 is one of two things.  Option 1 is a high draft pick in the first two years of their career whose team still thinks they’ll make it to elite.  Option 2 is a seat warmer and the team is actively looking for another qb.

Again, 6-15 is purgatory.  Too good to dump, not good enough to pay 250m and compete.

This is actual fair, nuanced view on our QB situation. 

6 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

Are we gonna get a Manning?

I don't think Manning will enter the draft until 2027 at the earliest. He is going to want to start for at least two seasons ('25 & '26), possibly three seasons. There have been a few articles talking points around him getting that 50 game experience in college as a starter before declaring for the draft. 

There are going to be some teams willing to give up a lot of draft capital/player(s) to get that #1 pick when he does declare...imo. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

At the time he signed the deal, yes, it was.   Now?  There have been more mediocre QBs signed to even bigger deals driving his deal down the list.   But, honestly, there are a bunch of overpaid QBs relative to their level of play.  Very few, and perhaps only 1 is truly a tide lifter who can elevate everyone of the players on the field with him.  Hurts isn't one of them.  It might only be Mahomes that is that guy.

That's the situation for just about any starting QB that signs a contract, they immediately become the highest paid player. Howie got it done before the wave of extensions hit. The comment was that Hurts is paid at an elite level, compared to other QBs he is not.

Even if you want to go by total value he's 7th with Mahomes, Burrow, Lawrence, Herbert, Jackson, and Allen all ahead of him.