32 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Barkley going off last week saved him, unfortunately. 

True, despite his best efforts to blow that game.

Just now, bpac55 said:

So, they're both resigning?

 

 

 

Padded practices and live tackling to the ground.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's possible that Lurie made the call. I don't think Howie would want his fingerprints on the decision. Again, I also do remember some report about Sirianni being the person that had the relationship with Patricia.  Patricia was on the street in January of 23.  The Eagles could have hired him instead of Desai from the outset.  They didn't because they wanted someone from the Fangio tree.  I don't think Sirianni had a preference.  

Lurie and howie already had a preexisting relationship with Patricia. I don’t think sirianni reached out by himself to talk to Patricia. 

also John McMullen reported this 

It was GM Howie Roseman who sold Sirianni on bringing Patricia in as an insurance policy for Desai, who had just one year of experience as a coordinator in Chicago. The former has never run this system but has three Super Bowl rings and boatloads of experience in every aspect of coaching.

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/matt-patricia-better-equipped-to-handle-philadelphia-eagles-expectations#:~:text=It was GM Howie Roseman,in every aspect of coaching.

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Padded practices and live tackling to the ground.  

For next summer if either of them are around. I remember Sirianni saying at the conclusion of the 2023/24 season that he recognized that the team was too soft and that the next training camp (this summer) would be different. It wasn't, which makes me question just how much freedom of action Sirianni has, or if he gets 'suggestions' from upstairs and knows he better pay attention to them.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So, they're both resigning?

 

 

 

Was he solution a new scheme and new players. Cause if so they nailed it 

49 minutes ago, paco said:

Is it wrong that after watching that last national broadcast game where we lost to the Mets in NY and all their fans were celebrating with those stupid OMG signs (and for some reason, the picture of that one lady with her face right in the camera showing off her stupid hoop earrings that looked like they were made by her slow nephew at fat camp is burned into my memory) that I want the Braves to sweep this series?

 

 

 

I am very rational.

This.... This! Do you see?  DO YOU SEE??????

 

 

 

 

Muck the Fets and their loser front running fanbase.

6 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

He's not.  It's Moore's scheme, Moore's offense, and Moore calls the plays.

Sirianni only kept his job on the condition that he and Howie get on the phone and hire two experienced coordinators -- that was widely reported and verified.  Sirianni keeping playcalling and/or vetoing scheme would be the express lane to unemployment.  That's why Doug was fired; the plan Doug laid out in his meeting with Lurie was to retain Press Taylor and Undin and install Hurts as full time starting QB.  That's what got him fired.  Sirianni likely would have been fired if he took a position of keeping Brian Johnson and Desai/Patricia.

The NFL has adjusted to Hurts and have slowed down/shut down what he wants to do.  The NFL does that.  Defensive coordinators are paid very well to force the QBs to adjust.  Until Hurts starts learning defenses at an advanced level we're going to continue seeing what we're seeing at the QB position.

it really looks to me its like more of what they did last year. we all know what kellen moore can do as a coordinator. he made Dak a top 10 qb in league. so basically Hurts isn't as good as Prescott. time to start looking for the future. Miami is gonna need a qb eventually this season

Brandon Graham was on the Rich Eisen show talking about the team’s defensive mindset this season. He said they learned lessons in the first two weeks. Did they get the men in black mind erasing thing before yesterday then ? 

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So, they're both resigning?

 

 

 

If actually did that then great. Now do offense

3 minutes ago, EmeraldArcher7154 said:

it really looks to me its like more of what they did last year. we all know what kellen moore can do as a coordinator. he made Dak a top 10 qb in league. so basically Hurts isn't as good as Prescott. time to start looking for the future. Miami is gonna need a qb eventually this season

The Eagles are pretty much married to Hurts through the 2025 season; we can complain all we want but there isn't any moving off of that mega contract for a couple more years.  If Hurts doesn't improve his overall game he won't have that big a trade market after 2025 -- we know his legs are a depreciating asset.  The larger question is how much does 2022 look like it's in the rear view mirror for him by that point.  If you believe the QB cannot get you where you need to go (Super Bowl is Howie/Lurie's target) then the last thing you want to do as an organization is restructure or extend him -- you need to choose a logical point of replacing a depreciating asset with a brand new one.

Every team has advance scouting departments who are evaluating not only 2025 draft eligible players, but 2026 and beyond.  Howie and Lurie need to look into the future with a cold lens at their roster and understand that over the next couple of years Goedert will be gone (or depreciating over 30), A.J. Brown will likely start to slow down, the defense will need more re-tooling and investment through the draft and free agency, and figure out where the money needs to be spent.  

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles are pretty much married to Hurts through the 2025 season; we can complain all we want but there isn't any moving off of that mega contract for a couple more years.  If Hurts doesn't improve his overall game he won't have that big a trade market after 2025 -- we know his legs are a depreciating asset.  The larger question is how much does 2022 look like it's in the rear view mirror for him by that point.  If you believe the QB cannot get you where you need to go (Super Bowl is Howie/Lurie's target) then the last thing you want to do as an organization is restructure or extend him -- you need to choose a logical point of replacing a depreciating asset with a brand new one.

Every team has advance scouting departments who are evaluating not only 2025 draft eligible players, but 2026 and beyond.  Howie and Lurie need to look into the future with a cold lens at their roster and understand that over the next couple of years Goedert will be gone (or depreciating over 30), A.J. Brown will likely start to slow down, the defense will need more re-tooling and investment through the draft and free agency, and figure out where the money needs to be spent.  

Hurts is here through 2025. Really his contract makes it that. But i said before the season, if hurts is closer to 2023 or 2021 version as opposed to 2022 then Howie and lurie aren’t sitting around not having a plan in place. I think they’ll do like they did in 2022 and find ways to collect assets so that by end of 2025 they have a succession plan to go forward with. I wouldn’t entirely be shocked if in the second round or if a Qb falls to them that they love (like Jordan love that 2020 draft) they’d be interested in taking them in the 2025 draft (assuming this level of play continues)

Thanks bill 

 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

@Swoop make an avatar bet with me because I got one for you

Ha! You got it. What are the terms?

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

That's absurd. They have a lot of talent. They need a new HC, Hurts contract is what it is so they need a HC and OC to play to his strengths. They have a great O line and elite skill players. Blowing up a team with this talent is insanity. They need better coaching.

I think you're taking what I said far too literally. Obviously I'm not saying get rid of the entire roster, but I can rifle off about 30 names no one would actually miss if they were gone.

That's what I'm talking about. 

I wonder if any future head coaching candidates would even want Hurts as their QB.

I honestly think 2022 was his ceiling and we will probably never see that from him again.

27 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lurie and howie already had a preexisting relationship with Patricia. I don’t think sirianni reached out by himself to talk to Patricia. 

also John McMullen reported this 

It was GM Howie Roseman who sold Sirianni on bringing Patricia in as an insurance policy for Desai, who had just one year of experience as a coordinator in Chicago. The former has never run this system but has three Super Bowl rings and boatloads of experience in every aspect of coaching.

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/matt-patricia-better-equipped-to-handle-philadelphia-eagles-expectations#:~:text=It was GM Howie Roseman,in every asp

 

You're right about Howie being behind the Patricia hiring if that report is correct.  I don't think it changes my view on the change.  

This paragraph above that one struck me: 

Ultimately, Desai was chosen over in-house candidate Dennard Wilson, mainly because he was a direct disciple of Fangio, whose famed and oft-copied scheme is the preference of Sirianni and several offensive head coaches around the league because they feel it's the toughest to deal with from an offensive perspective.

maybe he should have chosen someone from the Todd Bowles tree. 

 

 

Honestly asking:

Let's say all teams were built equally in all things on both sides of the ball, including coaching. The NFL decides it's going to have an NFL draft of just QBs...

Does Hurts make it in the top 15? I honestly don't think he does. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Fangio, whose famed and oft-copied scheme is the preference of Sirianni and several offensive head coaches around the league because they feel it's the toughest to deal with from an offensive perspective.

Oops! Not so much these days.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I think you're taking what I said far too literally. Obviously I'm not saying get rid of the entire roster, but I can rifle off about 30 names no one would actually miss if they were gone.

That's what I'm talking about. 

I thought you literally meant to blow up the team. I am sorry if the FBI contacts you later today.  

8 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Ha! You got it. What are the terms?

I was kinda hoping it would just be you making that your avatar and me laughing about it.

Just now, Swoop said:

Does Hurts make it in the top 15? I honestly don't think he does. 

If you would have asked me before this season I’d have said yes. I’d have put him in that 10-15 kind of range. But now? No he’s not. He’s not bottom 10 (I don’t think) but he’s not top 15.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I was kinda hoping it would just be you making that your avatar and me laughing about it.

If Hurts doesn't turn the ball over next game I will do it until he turns the ball over again.

It'll be more entertaining than watching him play QB, that's for sure. Might only get a week out of it, but yeah

44 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

For next summer if either of them are around. I remember Sirianni saying at the conclusion of the 2023/24 season that he recognized that the team was too soft and that the next training camp (this summer) would be different. It wasn't, which makes me question just how much freedom of action Sirianni has, or if he gets 'suggestions' from upstairs and knows he better pay attention to them.

For sure the physicality of the practices are dictated by the sports science people through Howie.  

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Honestly asking:

Let's say all teams were built equally in all things on both sides of the ball, including coaching. The NFL decides it's going to have an NFL draft of just QBs...

Does Hurts make it in the top 15? I honestly don't think he does. 

 The QBs i think teams would take ahead of hurts at the moment (no particular order)

Mahomes

allen

lamar

burrow

herbert

daniels

Stroud

stafford (although his age is up there)

Goff

jordan love

Dak 

rodgers 

purdy 

can make arguments for baker, Caleb Williams. Baker has played well and Caleb is young and rookie contract with upside. I’d say darnold would be inconsideration with how he’s playing today but i think most take hurts 

15 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I wonder if any future head coaching candidates would even want Hurts as their QB.

I honestly think 2022 was his ceiling and we will probably never see that from him again.

Ceiling would imply he can reach it again. I'm not sure he can. It's possible it was just an outlier year like Wentz in 2017. Would love to be wrong. He's got all of the weapons to reach it again and even do better