Moore PC asked about slow starts and do they script plays early? He basically said you want to get the ball in the hands of your key players, avoided whether he has a script or not. He said it's "fun" to review all this during the bye week to see what's working and not.

What about getting the ball to Saquon? He says obviously they want to put the ball in his hands and he needs more touches.

 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

I wouldn’t doubt a lot of that is going on - Nick likely takes the blame for his staff at times.

The irony is that at least twice it wasn’t the play call itself that was the issue (and I’m surprised the media didn’t focus on that more) it was choosing whether or not to kick the FG or go for it on 4th down - which would have been Sirianni’s call and not Moore’s. 

There's no question Sirianni's in-game decision making hasn't been as good as in previous seasons.  That's a separate issue from overruling the OC on play calls, though.  If Nick decides to go for it on 4th down he may have a play in mind and call it in those scenarios, but I don't believe he's overruling Moore at any random juncture.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

That goes back to how much of a failure Huff signing was and how badly those 1st round picks on Dline were

 I think it must be a combination of talent and scheme.  The reality is that we know Carter is super talented.  Williams has flashed enough.  Not getting anything out of a player that had 10 sacks with the Jets last season is problematic.  

I did look at the games this season and compared them to the first 4 games of 22.  Love had at time to throw of 2.8 seconds in week one.  Cousins had a TTT of 2.93 secs in week 2.  Carr had a TTT of 2.64 secs week 3.  Mayfield had a TTT of 2.22 secs this past Sunday.  In week one, Eagles had 8 QB pressures.  Week 2 they had 5 pressures.  Week 3 they had 6 pressures.  Week 4 they had 3 pressures.  The total pressures so far is 22. If that seems bad, you can look at 2022 to see how bad it was compared to that season. s 

They had 176 pressures in 2022.  So more than 10 pressures per game.  Reddick led the team with 41.   They played Detroit week one.  Goff had a TTT of 2.47 secs.  They had 7 QB pressures.  Cousins had a TTT of 2.78 secs week 2.  The Eagles had 11 pressures.  Wentz had a TTT of 2.6 secs week 3.  They had 25 pressures.  Lawrence had a 2.52 TTT week 4.  They had 13 QB pressures.  The total is 56 pressures.  

This team is on pace for 93.5 QB pressures this season.  That's well below the 2023 number of 173.  The number in 2021 was 158, 176 in 2020, 160 in 2019, 192 in 2018.  They are on pace for a historically low impact on the QB. 

They need to think about pressuring the QB far more than they do.  I think it's an after thought and it should be a scheme focus at this point.  

 

20 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

 

That's what I have been saying.  Moore needs to scheme some easy throws to open guys so Hurts can get the ball out of his hands quickly.  I like what the Ravens have been doing with motion, play action to open easy throws to players like Flowers who can make some guys miss. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 I think it must be a combination of talent and scheme.  The reality is that we know Carter is super talented.  Williams has flashed enough.  Not getting anything out of a player that had 10 sacks with the Jets last season is problematic.  

I did look at the games this season and compared them to the first 4 games of 22.  Love had at time to throw of 2.8 seconds in week one.  Cousins had a TTT of 2.93 secs in week 2.  Carr had a TTT of 2.64 secs week 3.  Mayfield had a TTT of 2.22 secs this past Sunday.  In week one, Eagles had 8 QB pressures.  Week 2 they had 5 pressures.  Week 3 they had 6 pressures.  Week 4 they had 3 pressures.  The total pressures so far is 22. If that seems bad, you can look at 2022 to see how bad it was compared to that season. s 

They had 176 pressures in 2022.  So more than 10 pressures per game.  Reddick led the team with 41.   They played Detroit week one.  Goff had a TTT of 2.47 secs.  They had 7 QB pressures.  Cousins had a TTT of 2.78 secs week 2.  The Eagles had 11 pressures.  Wentz had a TTT of 2.6 secs week 3.  They had 25 pressures.  Lawrence had a 2.52 TTT week 4.  They had 13 QB pressures.  The total is 56 pressures.  

This team is on pace for 93.5 QB pressures this season.  That's well below the 2023 number of 173.  The number in 2021 was 158, 176 in 2020, 160 in 2019, 192 in 2018.  They are on pace for a historically low impact on the QB. 

They need to think about pressuring the QB far more than they do.  I think it's an after thought and it should be a scheme focus at this point.  

 

As you said, it's an issue of talent and scheme. People know that if they go 11 personnel, Fangio will match with nickel and only rush 4. Carter gets doubled and one of the edges gets chipped. Huff is thinking too much and not simply attacking, so he won't win a one on one. Davis isn't a pass rusher, and Sweat seems to be cooked. There's a reason we we look better when BG is in for Sweat, or even Nolan is in for Huff. If Vic is going to be stubborn and play nickel against 11 (even on 1st and 10), then maybe use BG and Smith on 1st down. Or get Williams on the field as a big DE -- he's probably a better pass rusher from the edge than Huff at this point. Ojomo could do that as well. Run some stunts to try and get Carter a 1-on-1.

Our scheme is laughably predictable against 11 personnel.

I've been wanting Howie to draft a traditional DE high in the draft for a while now. It did take him 20 years to draft another 1st round corner.

He went into this season not realizing Sweat regressed last year, and BG entering his final year wasn't the answer. Adding small pass rush specialists wasn't enough.

Jordan Davis is a JAG, Carter is good and needs to show more consistency. But Sweat, Huff, Nolan Smith, the LBs except Baun, it's not enough.

A solid DE added to this line would make a big difference. I wouldn't be surprised if their next 1st or 2nd round pick is a DE.

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The reality is that we know Carter is super talented.

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here...Based on what? I know he was supposed to be a generational talent when he was drafted but at the rate he is performing this year thus far he will be about the same as he was last year, minus the sacks he had in '23.  His avg is 2 tackles a game and 1 sack every 3 games (the sacks aren't bad for a DT), 2 tackles a game in his first 20 games? 

15 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

As you said, it's an issue of talent and scheme. People know that if they go 11 personnel, Fangio will match with nickel and only rush 4. Carter gets doubled and one of the edges gets chipped. Huff is thinking too much and not simply attacking, so he won't win a one on one. Davis isn't a pass rusher, and Sweat seems to be cooked. There's a reason we we look better when BG is in for Sweat, or even Nolan is in for Huff. If Vic is going to be stubborn and play nickel against 11 (even on 1st and 10), then maybe use BG and Smith on 1st down. Or get Williams on the field as a big DE -- he's probably a better pass rusher from the edge than Huff at this point. Ojomo could do that as well. Run some stunts to try and get Carter a 1-on-1.

Our scheme is laughably predictable against 11 personnel.

Teams will rarely if ever go 12 personnel against them again after how well they played against New Orleans. Three WRs on the field just cooks this defense and Baker did it perfectly with quick-timed throws. That will be the blueprint for teams moving forward until they adjust with more press. It doesn't mean much without a pass rush, but I'd like to see the corners play more aggressive and either force more turnovers or just give up a big play over the top. It's dire for them right now, but I guess they need to go into a feast or famine mode. The death by a thousand cuts approach isn't working because the red zone defense hasn't been stout enough and the offense isn't maintaining drives to give the defense a rest after being on the field for 10-15 plays. 

48 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The scenario against the Bucs could not have been more obvious to lean on Barkley. 

• Top 2 WRs out
• Top LT out
• Backup/new linemen on the right side
• O line strength to run the ball
• In that heat, don't want to run receivers too much
• QB struggling with turnovers, take the ball out of his hands
• Gaining 0 yards, need to at least get something going
• Barkley was the top rusher in the league after 3 weeks, they saw his impact against the Saints

The Eagles NEVER do the obvious thing. It's infuriating. 

9 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here...Based on what? I know he was supposed to be a generational talent when he was drafted but at the rate he is performing this year thus far he will be about the same as he was last year, minus the sacks he had in '23.  His avg is 2 tackles a game and 1 sack every 3 games (the sacks aren't bad for a DT), 2 tackles a game in his first 20 games? 

Carter was the sure-fire pick where they took him. He would have probably gone one overall without the driving incident. So even if he does turn into a bust, that will be a hard pick to blame Roseman on. He was the consensus most talented guy in that draft with character issues. Davis on the other hand is fair to criticize. Taking a space-eating DT with conditioning issues who doesn't get after the QB at 13 was questionable. 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't remember specifically which one it was but I do recall seeing Hurts and Nick talking on the sidelines during a 4th down when they went for it

That doesn't mean Nick called any play though.  He could have just been going over situations with Jalen.  

I honestly don't think he's involved in play calling, even if he says he is.  And I dont know why he wouldn't want to let Kellen run his offense.  Remember Jalen with the offense is 95% new comment.  He wouldn't say that if it was still Sirianni's offense. 

I do blame Nick for how the team is performing overall. He has to make changes.  He has to know his time is running out if things keep going the way they are.

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Carter was the sure-fire pick where they took him. He would have probably gone one overall without the driving incident. So even if he does turn into a bust, that will be a hard pick to blame Roseman on. He was the consensus most talented guy in that draft with character issues. Davis on the other hand is fair to criticize. Taking a space-eating DT with conditioning issues who doesn't get after the QB at 13 was questionable. 

I am not saying he is a bad player, as @vikas83 said, he does get doubled a lot, and #1 draft picks have very lofty expectations placed on them. To his defense I would say he needs help, if you have another impact player that also has to get doubled that should free him up to a one on one more frequently. A dominant Edge and another better than average DT that is on the field at the same time could possibly help. A lot of people will look to him as the #1 pick and immediately think he is not performing. At the end of the day it's about the unit, the entire defensive front, they have to be able to co-exist and function as a unit. Each mans skills need to compliment one another's. Once they figure that out, the sacks, pressures, and run stops will happen.

8 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I am not saying he is a bad player, as @vikas83 said, he does get doubled a lot, and #1 draft picks have very lofty expectations placed on them. To his defense I would say he needs help, if you have another impact player that also has to get doubled that should free him up to a one on one more frequently. A dominant Edge and another better than average DT that is on the field at the same time could possibly help. A lot of people will look to him as the #1 pick and immediately think he is not performing. At the end of the day it's about the unit, the entire defensive front, they have to be able to co-exist and function as a unit. Each mans skills need to compliment one another's. Once they figure that out, the sacks, pressures, and run stops will happen.

This doesn't include the Bucs game, but the stats are pretty elite despite the lack of sacks. Carter is the real deal.

 

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

This doesn't include the Bucs game, but the stats are pretty elite despite the lack of sacks. Carter is the real deal.

 

That tweet is from Sept '23, but your point remains valid, even if he isn't getting doubled at the rate he was last year, he still gets more double teams than anyone else on the Eagles roster, someone else or a couple of others need to help out and get home/produce more if he is keeping two Oline guys occupied. 

Count me in on the unimpressed for Carter. Besides the Saints game he hasn't shown why he was picked that high or praised that much

I remember the drooling during the offseason when people said Carter and Davis would devastate Olines and QBs. Hasn't happened

1 minute ago, Joe Ball said:

That tweet is from Sept '23, but your point remains valid, even if he isn't getting doubled at the rate he was last year, he still gets more double teams than anyone else on the Eagles roster, someone else or a couple of others need to help out and get home/produce more if he is keeping two Oline guys occupied. 

LOL. My bad. Doubled on 68% through the 1st 2 games.

https://975thefanatic.com/2024/09/19/no-more-excuses-for-jalen-carter/

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Let’s be fair to him. Right now teams are focusing all of their energy on stopping him. Right now he is being double-teamed on a staggering 68% of his snaps. Only a very small handful of guys see more double teams than he does.

 

I’ll tell you what… The way things are going right now or at least look to be going this thing is falling apart! It’s going the way we feared that it might.

38 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here...Based on what? I know he was supposed to be a generational talent when he was drafted but at the rate he is performing this year thus far he will be about the same as he was last year, minus the sacks he had in '23.  His avg is 2 tackles a game and 1 sack every 3 games (the sacks aren't bad for a DT), 2 tackles a game in his first 20 games? 

The way I would frame it is we know he has the talent in him and he is a talented player, but he needs to consistently prove that talent on the field. 

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

LOL. My bad. Doubled on 68% through the 1st 2 games.

https://975thefanatic.com/2024/09/19/no-more-excuses-for-jalen-carter/

 

I want him to succeed (except 2x a year), I want all the young guys to succeed, especially the first rounders. They get a lot of heavy expectations placed on them, sometimes unrealistic expectations. They may know the game but do they know the Professional game? QBs get a pass the first couple of years in most cases, all positions are young and trying to adapt o the speed of the game, even DTs. 

Jaelan Phillips done for the year again. Feel bad that the guy can never stay healthy. I liked him pre-draft but I remember his big red flag was medical and it's proving true. 

Jalen Carter has a ceiling that No DT in the NFL has except maybe Jones. We’ll see if he can do it every week. It looked like he woke up against the saints. I want to see if the Bucs game was the heat or just a guy who doesn’t go hard every week. Also generally speaking it typically takes a few years for DTs to fully emerge and in that regard, Carter is ahead of the game.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Someone suggested the other day that Siri doesn't want to completely let go, because he knows he's on the hot seat so he wants to insert himself to show he's doing something. We know Fangio won't let him be involved. If Siri tries to enter the defensive meeting room, Fangio probably tells him to GTFO and locks the door.

So Siri is looking for ways to make himself look good. I think it's why he's going for it on 4th too much, trying to show he's aggressive and making things happen. Someone needs to tell him that playing it safe (in the right moments) to take the FG points is the smart decision that will be the thing to make him look good.

Its pretty simple... winning looks good.   Losing looks bad.  And when you lose because of dumb decisions you made... that's really bad.

Jalen Carter has been called the next Aaron Donald, a prospective DPOY player and the best DT in the league by MANY of the talking heads out there. I'm sorry, he's not even close. I wasn't a fan of the Carter pick because of the red flags and you also didn't see his effort game in and game out. However, watching Carter last year changed my tune on him. I LOVE when Carter brings it. He's unbelievable and a true joy to watch when he wants to be great. The problem is, he only plays up to his potential every few games. He had a year to watch Fletcher Cox and learn from him how to be a pro. Doesn't appear he did. He's still playing next to 36 year old BG who brings it on every damn snap. Doesn't appear that Carter is trying to emulate that either. There was a fire lit under him for the Saints game. What caused it? Why can't he bring that intensity every game? Jalen Carter is holding himself back. At some point, we have to accept that it's who he is. He's not wired like the great ones and that's not something you can fix.

Jalen Carter has played in 20 games. He has 6 sacks and 36 tackles. Compare that to just Donald's rookie season of 9 and 48. I don't want to hear that he's getting double teamed. Donald was too. No one EVER questioned Donald's character or his drive to be the best in the game. With Carter, we're happy if he shows up every 4 games. Great players are great ever game and every snap. I think we'll be lucky if we get Aaron Donald at 31 years old type of production out of Carter.

Season	Age	Team	Lg	Pos	G	GS	Int	Yds	IntTD	Lng	FF	Fmb	FR	Yds	FRTD	Sk	Comb	Solo	Ast	TFL	QBHits	Sfty	AV	Awards
10 Yrs					154	150	0	0	0	0	24	0	7	40	0	111.0	543	340	203	176	260	1	153
17 Game Avg					17	17	0	0	0	0	3	0	1	4	0	12.3	60	38	22	19	29	0	17
2014	23	STL	NFL	LDT	16	12	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	9.0	48	38	10	18	13	0	11	PB,AP DRoY-1
2015	24	STL	NFL	LDT	16	16	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	40	0	11.0	69	44	25	22	37	0	18	PB,AP-1,AP DPoY-2
2016	25	LAR	NFL	LDT	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	0	0	0	0	8.0	47	36	11	17	31	0	15	PB,AP-1,AP DPoY-4
2017	26	LAR	NFL	RDE	14	14	0	0	0	0	5	0	1	0	0	11.0	41	32	9	15	27	0	15	PB,AP-1,AP DPoY-1
2018	27	LAR	NFL	RDT	16	16	0	0	0	0	4	0	2	0	0	20.5	59	41	18	25	41	0	16	PB,AP-1,AP DPoY-1
2019	28	LAR	NFL	RDE	16	16	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	0	0	12.5	48	29	19	20	24	1	14	PB,AP-1,AP DPoY-5
2020	29	LAR	NFL	DT	16	16	0	0	0	0	4	0	1	0	0	13.5	45	27	18	14	28	0	24	PB,AP-1,AP DPoY-1
2021	30	LAR	NFL	LDT	17	17	0	0	0	0	4	0	0	0	0	12.5	84	38	46	19	25	0	17	PB,AP-1,AP DPoY-3
2022	31	LAR	NFL	DT	11	11	0	0	0	0	1	0	1	0	0	5.0	49	27	22	10	11	0	8	PB
2023	32	LAR	NFL	DT	16	16	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	8.0	53	28	25	16	23	0	15	PB,AP-1,AP CPoY-9

1 hour ago, Joe Ball said:

I'm going to play Devil's Advocate here...Based on what? I know he was supposed to be a generational talent when he was drafted but at the rate he is performing this year thus far he will be about the same as he was last year, minus the sacks he had in '23.  His avg is 2 tackles a game and 1 sack every 3 games (the sacks aren't bad for a DT), 2 tackles a game in his first 20 games? 

I mean watch him play.  Watch his highlights.  He is physically gifted and has dominated when he gets one on one.  

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Jalen Carter has a ceiling that No DT in the NFL has except maybe Jones. We’ll see if he can do it every week. It looked like he woke up against the saints. I want to see if the Bucs game was the heat or just a guy who doesn’t go hard every week. Also generally speaking it typically takes a few years for DTs to fully emerge and in that regard, Carter is ahead of the game.

Is he though? Everyone has been putting his name up there next to the greats. No one questions if the great ones want it. That's the number one question with Carter. Does he want to be great? Can he play at a high level consistently? He's done nothing to prove that he wants to or that he can. When he wants to bring it, he does. He can be unstoppable. It's not a problem of him adjusting to the NFL. It's a problem of Carter playing up to his potential for 17+ games per year. 

Vita Vea is 6-4 350. Heat didn't bother him. He sure looked dominant against the Eagles. We didn't hear Carters name against TB until there was a sideline report saying Jalen Carter was out of the game. 

How many excuses are we going to make for him? Brazil field was bad. Atlanta he was slipping again but let's chalk that up to double teams. NO he was fantastic. TB was the heat. At some point there needs to be accountability as to what he is. He's a terrific, all-world talent with a benchwarmer mentality. 

The Eagles NEED Carter to be great for every game, not just when he feels like it.