24 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Tirico is such a cuck for Peacock

Oh hell yah send out the video 

6 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Should finally cool down this week. Been a brutal few months though. I can handle it in July/August because it’s expected. Not in October though. 

Right? Usually by the end of the first week of October we’re in the 80s. The fact that we’re about to go into the third week of October and it’s still blazing hot. 

One of my favorite things happed today: Eagles win, Dallas, NYG, and WA lose.  Cherry in top for me is Denver lost as well.  

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Disagree.  We saw a lot of new stuff in Week 1.

He said that 95% of the offense was new in the summer.  My guess is that Hurts doesn't feel comfortable doing the new stuff.

You really think that Sirianni is taking the new stuff out of game plans?

 

Yes we did see some new stuff week one, lots of motion more under center stuff and its gradually gone away to the point where we got we we did against cleveland, limited motion, zi think one play under center that wasnt a tush push, looked the same as kast years constipated offense.

Hopefully they unlocked something out of Huff with him playing more out of a four-point stance. Baldy did a breakdown a few weeks ago about how he excelled doing that with the Jets. Good to see them mix that in today. His get off out of that stance is actually impressive. He has to have a track background. 

12 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes we did see some new stuff week one, lots of motion more under center stuff and its gradually gone away to the point where we got we we did against cleveland, limited motion, zi think one play under center that wasnt a tush push, looked the same as kast years constipated offense.

And this is Sirianni's agenda?  Let Moore, the OC his bosses brought in, spend all summer installing stuff, then put himself in even more job insecurity by sabotaging the game plans to look like last season.

Or could be that Hurts, who has more discretion pre-snap, is choosing to do the stuff he wants to do.

Take the end of today's game.  Hurts said he checked to the pass to Brown - a play he very clearly prefers to run, regardless of the game situation.  He did the same against the Commanders last season, which almost cost us the game.

28 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And this is Sirianni's agenda?  Let Moore, the OC his bosses brought in, spend all summer installing stuff, then put himself in even more job insecurity by sabotaging the game plans to look like last season.

Or could be that Hurts, who has more discretion pre-snap, is choosing to do the stuff he wants to do.

Take the end of today's game.  Hurts said he checked to the pass to Brown - a play he very clearly prefers to run, regardless of the game situation.  He did the same against the Commanders last season, which almost cost us the game.

For the offense and why it’s been struggling you basically have to have one of three beliefs: 

1. Kellen Moore, who had three top 5 offenses in Dallas and had the Chargers going well before Herbert went down last year, just woke up one day and forgot how to scheme effectively. 
 

2. Nick is inserting himself into play designs and play-calling, even though Lurie basically neutered him in the offseason and relegated him to a cheerleader coach. 
 

3. Hurts isn’t capable of running the type of offense Moore usually installs and is holding the full capability of the offense back which is why it looks identical to last year under Johnson. 
 

I’ll go with #3. 
 

Nick will be fired at the end of the year at the latest and they’ll run it back with Hurts again with another HC next year because there is no realistic out to his contract any time soon. But by then everyone will realize where the real problem lies and that’s with Hurts. 
 

The only other theory that might be out there is that Roseman wants a specific, stock style of offense being used to hedge against the constant OC carousel they’ve had for a while now to make things simpler and more stream-lined for the players. He’s had this philosophy on the defensive side of the ball with Fangio’s system for the past several coordinators. So it’s not completely out of the question that he’s doing the same on the offensive side. 

 

Nick Sirianni 

 

 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Nick Sirianni 

 

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And this is Sirianni's agenda?  Let Moore, the OC his bosses brought in, spend all summer installing stuff, then put himself in even more job insecurity by sabotaging the game plans to look like last season.

Or could be that Hurts, who has more discretion pre-snap, is choosing to do the stuff he wants to do.

Take the end of today's game.  Hurts said he checked to the pass to Brown - a play he very clearly prefers to run, regardless of the game situation.  He did the same against the Commanders last season, which almost cost us the game.

I mean reports out of camp was that hurts was looking sharp and there was tons of motion and hurts saying the O was 95% new and then today we get same thing we saw all last year, I mean maybe Moore has concluded hurts cant run his system well so just dumbed it down for him which if so is no way to win, cant have an Offense handcuffed by a qb in year 5 especially one with his contract.

29 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

For the offense and why it’s been struggling you basically have to have one of three beliefs: 

1. Kellen Moore, who had three top 5 offenses in Dallas and had the Chargers going well before Herbert went down last year, just woke up one day and forgot how to scheme effectively. 
 

2. Nick is inserting himself into play designs and play-calling, even though Lurie basically neutered him in the offseason and relegated him to a cheerleader coach. 
 

3. Hurts isn’t capable of running the type of offense Moore usually installs and is holding the full capability of the offense back which is why it looks identical to last year under Johnson. 
 

I’ll go with #3. 
 

Nick will be fired at the end of the year at the latest and they’ll run it back with Hurts again with another HC next year because there is no realistic out to his contract any time soon. But by then everyone will realize where the real problem lies and that’s with Hurts. 
 

The only other theory that might be out there is that Roseman wants a specific, stock style of offense being used to hedge against the constant OC carousel they’ve had for a while now to make things simpler and more stream-lined for the players. He’s had this philosophy on the defensive side of the ball with Fangio’s system for the past several coordinators. So it’s not completely out of the question that he’s doing the same on the offensive side. 

If its the last one, then I can guarantee that Howies offensive scheme is all based off ANALytics, which would explain why the offense looks like an AI pic of a constipated dude with 6 fingers and 3 nostrils .

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

@VaBeach_Eagle do you have his email address from when we had to create accounts? Did we even have to provide them? I know someone had sent him a text but might not hurt to try that if it's possible. 

If you PM him, he should get an email informing him of the PM. If he doesn't respond, we can try to contact him if his email on file is correct. 

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

@VaBeach_Eagle do you have his email address from when we had to create accounts? Did we even have to provide them? I know someone had sent him a text but might not hurt to try that if it's possible. 

I went ahead and shot him an email.

I watched Reub on one of those YouTube videos after the game.

Surprisingly made some good points.

What is the team?

What is their identity on offense?

All three phases haven't meshed in over two years.

Sirianni sticks his deek in Venus fly traps for fun.

I might have embellished the last point 🤣

8 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

It's a better catch than throw. Brown made sure he was catching it

Is it unfair that I expect every receiver to catch every throw better than the throw itself and to make sure they are catching it?  I figure if the QB throws a ball that can potentially be caught, no matter how tight the coverage, then the. Receiver should catch it.  

2 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

What is the team?

What is their identity on offense?

All three phases haven't meshed in over two years.

Unfortunately I think we know the the answer to those questions…

The identity of this team is that they are really talented but are poorly coached and the scheme doesn’t do enough to help. Oh and they turn the ball over most weeks whilst not creating turnovers. And that’s the same answer for question 2.

This team hasn’t played complementary football since 2022. How many times have we seen one side of the ball finally get a bit of something going only for the other to drop the ball?

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Is it unfair that I expect every receiver to catch every throw better than the throw itself and to make sure they are catching it?  I figure if the QB throws a ball that can potentially be caught, no matter how tight the coverage, then the. Receiver should catch it.  

Yea, that's extremely unfair. The QB needs to put receivers in the best position possible to make a catch. The radius of these dudes nowadays is insane, almost every ball can "potentially" be caught. That's a crazy expectation.

Random thoughts on the win...

- I hope, from Lurie's perspective, Sirianni isn't graded on a curve for this one. He sucks and having AJ Brown playing like Superman doesn't change that.

- Bryce Huff flashing out of a 4 point stance was good to see. If all he can be is what he was in NY, I'll take it at this point.

- I like Dean, but this has been a rough two game stretch for him. Like he's been one of the worst players on the field. Might be time to mix Trotter in.

- Speaking of red flags I've been hesitant to call out... CJGJ, yeesh. 

- Quinyon reminds me a lot of Devonta Smith - he does everything right, is impossible to dislike, and seems somehow immune to the stupidity around him. Absolute slam dunk pick.

- Loved seeing DeJean make an impact. Think he'll be vulnerable to the elite quick slot receivers, but today was a cool window into what DeJean could be.

The offensive problems are mostly because of Hurts’ limitations.

That doesn’t mean Sirriani is a good coach, but no coaching change is going to "fix” this offense.

1 hour ago, Parrot Head said:

The offensive problems are mostly because of Hurts’ limitations.

That doesn’t mean Sirriani is a good coach, but no coaching change is going to "fix” this offense.

It was such a weird game to watch. Stats are fine, highlights are good, gameplan seemed fine overall, but...something just doesn't add up on the scoreboard.  Jalen didn't even look bad. Never put the ball in harms way or anything, but it wasn't a great game vs a poor team. His limitations definitely plays a part, but there is something else going on too. It's a great collection of talent, but I don't think it's a great team.

IMO yesterday it was scheme and play calling more than Hurts. 

He didn't have any turnover worthy plays and his decision-making was better.  But the first quarter was an abomination and there was nowhere to go with the ball.  

The OL got manhandled most of the game, too, which didn't help.

Sirianni f'ed up the clock management and Saquon decided to be Quez Watkins before half which led to that blocked FG touchdown.  Without that, the game probably turns into a blowout, but that kept the Browns interested

6 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

For the offense and why it’s been struggling you basically have to have one of three beliefs: 

1. Kellen Moore, who had three top 5 offenses in Dallas and had the Chargers going well before Herbert went down last year, just woke up one day and forgot how to scheme effectively. 
 

2. Nick is inserting himself into play designs and play-calling, even though Lurie basically neutered him in the offseason and relegated him to a cheerleader coach. 
 

3. Hurts isn’t capable of running the type of offense Moore usually installs and is holding the full capability of the offense back which is why it looks identical to last year under Johnson. 
 

I’ll go with #3. 
 

Nick will be fired at the end of the year at the latest and they’ll run it back with Hurts again with another HC next year because there is no realistic out to his contract any time soon. But by then everyone will realize where the real problem lies and that’s with Hurts. 
 

The only other theory that might be out there is that Roseman wants a specific, stock style of offense being used to hedge against the constant OC carousel they’ve had for a while now to make things simpler and more stream-lined for the players. He’s had this philosophy on the defensive side of the ball with Fangio’s system for the past several coordinators. So it’s not completely out of the question that he’s doing the same on the offensive side. 

4. Lurie/Howie and the analytical dept have to much sway in game planning and overall philosophy with insisting on pushing the pass along with the focus on creating "explosive plays" specifically through the air.

This barely ever gets mentioned, it's always Siri. The only reason he's even here is because he's a puppet for the aforementioned group and he gave up whatever little power he did have this offseason. Nick being a jack ass is one thing. But if the finger is being pointed at him for anything other than that, it also needs to be pointed at those others because he takes orders from them. 
Hurts having some deficiencies is another that a finger can be pointed to, which is certainly fair. But are some of those things exacerbated further because of the sway and push from upper management? I certainly don't think it helps anything. 
 

6 hours ago, Utebird said:

I mean reports out of camp was that hurts was looking sharp and there was tons of motion and hurts saying the O was 95% new and then today we get same thing we saw all last year, I mean maybe Moore has concluded hurts cant run his system well so just dumbed it down for him which if so is no way to win, cant have an Offense handcuffed by a qb in year 5 especially one with his contract.

But if the pre season went so well with Hurts looking sharp in a new offensive scheme with lots of motion, did you see anything against the Packers that suggested Moore had a new tricksy offense and we struggled to run it so we've reverted? All I've seen so far this season is exactly the same limited offense I saw last season, it's like the OC is rationing his playbook so people don't get tape on all his tricks first and then slowly the realisation creeps in that, no this is really all we got.

I don't believe that Brian Johnson and Kellen Moore have exactly the same offensive scheme and playbook, but given it looks almost exactly like the stuttering mess of Sirianni's first year, I can absolutely believe that Sirianni is still dictating to the OC what gets run on game day, and that's why ultimately Sirianni will get canned, because the guy just refuses to get out of his own way.