31 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Eagles lead the all time series with the Giants

94-89-2

Hell yeah.

We're going to beat the Giants again on Sunday.

22 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

When healthy

 

Yeah but better to have him for 13-14 games than to not have a TE like him for any.

Has @mattwillchecked in here yet? It says he visited yesterday.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

The team would be 0-5 without Hurts.

4-1 with Tanner McKee

Possibly even 5-0.

(A QB who follows the system, learns from his mistakes and makes plays)

 

There, I said it.  Enjoy.

 

(This is coming from a Hurts supporter since day 1 - the day he was drafted) 

11 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah this notion that the OC isn't installing or refusing to call plays without routes developing over the middle of the field, because Hurts can't/won't make those throws, is absurd. Solely blaming the QB for play design decisions and the route concepts being implemented shows a lack of understanding of how NFL gameplanning and playcalling works.

And I've said that if that is true, they have much bigger coaching problems: they aren't leading and coaching, they are catering to a QB. 

5 minutes ago, twistr said:

Has @mattwillchecked in here yet? It says he visited yesterday.

Probably going through the extremely long list of notifications

I'll add one to the list @mattwill 

43 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm glad they have been a laughing stock the last decade and we were able to take the lead and pad it a bit. They were so annoying in the 2000's. 

I'm still haunted by that Jason Sehorn int during the 2001 playoffs  

17 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hell yeah.

We're going to beat the Giants again on Sunday.

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I hope Nabers is able to play Sunday. Mitchell vs Nabers looks like it's going to be a great rivalry for the next 5-10 years. 

3 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

If you are interested in a really good discussion of who's offense this is, go listen to the latest Philly Special podcast.  About halfway through they address what is seen on film.

Summary:

 - Moore's offense is from the same tree/family as Sirianni's.  It wasn't going to be a wholesale makeover.
 - He rattled off about a dozen plays from Sunday that weren't part of the offense last season.  So there is new stuff.
 - The results "feel" the same as last season, so it's easy to say it "looks" the same.

They pointed out the drastic and frustrating absence of under center, play action, and throws over the middle.  Although not making conclusions, they leaned into Hurts being the constant from last season.

 

 

 

Not that you are concluding it is Hurts, nor implying that was your takeaway from the summary, but my biggest problem with the possibility that Hurts is the issue (some/more/all), is when you focus on Play Action.  Is anyone seriously going to argue that Hurts can't run PA?  GTFOH. 

And PA opens the short middle up.  So, if you don't run PA, then with it goes some of the short middle stuff. 

We ran two (2) PA plays?  Both with success?  Two?  TWO?  Insanity. 

I'm not buying it is Hurts, about whom there are other issues, but PA, under center and maybe even middle of the field issues are chimeras, IMO. They simply aren't running PA and aren't running from under center.  Except now they are. So, add more.  A lot more, Moore. 

16 minutes ago, paco said:

 

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is just crazy.  Is he the first new dad to play in the NFL?   Is the first to have to wake up in the middle of the night and then go to work the next day?   

The NFL is, and has always been, about production on the field.  The outside distractions exist for everyone in every walk of life.  Men have been getting up and going to work after becoming a dad for a long long time.   Hurts isn't unique.  Someone trying to use it as an excuse for mediocre play is unique.  

If he can't play QB and be a new parent, then he should take advantage of the Family Medical Leave Act and step away from the game for 12 weeks of unpaid leave. 

 

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

No one with a $250m job and responsibility is waking up overnight tending to their newborn.  No one.

A. Hurts did not say this, some "scoop" entertainment tweeter said it. But some of you are foaming at the mouth getting mad at Hurts based on speculation and a rumor.

B. Do we even know it's true he has a newborn? A quick Google search shows just a TikTok account posting a rumor about it last year in Oct 2023 which wasn't true then. There's some Facebook post that rumors his new fiancé is pregnant.

But this is how narratives form. There will 100% be comments on here throughout the season mocking him regarding taking care of a baby when he plays poorly, and it might not even be true he even has a baby. 

I went back and watched the game again and we had exactly three plays under center not counting the tush pushes and kneel downs.  Two were pitch outs to Barkley for really nice gains and the other was a solid run as well.

In my mind, we should be running a solid chunk (maybe 30%) of plays under center handing off to Barkley and running play action.  I'd also like to see a lot more pistol as well and limit the shotgun with Barkley to one side.  That setup should really allow us to leverage Barkley to a much greater extent and help Hurts get some easier throws on play action.

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

To be clear, I'm not even defending Hurts at this point, I don't think he's been nearly good enough this past year, his turnover streak was ridiculous, the offense so far should've been a lot better, but I refuse to believe (because I watched it) that what we ran in 2022 was so revolutionary and new in it's conception, that it bamboozled experienced defensive coordinators throughout the league so much, that they needed a full season of tape to deal with our razzle dazzle, but also then when they did the entire league immediately and simultaneously invented a kryptonite defense to Hurt's weaknesses and Sirianni's entire family of offensive scheme that made it look like dead ass? A defensive antidote to Hurts that by the way, never occurred to the leading defensive minds in the NCAA in Hurts 3 years as college starter.

That's what I'm wondering.

If other teams can "figure out" Hurts and the way the offense ran in 2022...then what are other successful teams doing? Serious question because I only casually watch some other teams. Are other teams changing things enough from year to year that defenses can't figure them out? Are Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Jackson, etc. doing vastly different things from year to year, or do they still have the same skill set and run the same things? Are the coaches tweaking and adjusting things to disguise them with certain looks, motion, etc to keep the defense guessing?

So to me that would point to coaching, not Hurts. If the NFL has "figured out" how to defend Hurts, what are the coaches doing to scheme differently? We know they are not using motion or play action. The narrative some fans have is that Hurts doesn't want to, even refuses to run these things which I find hard to believe.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

That's what I'm wondering.

If other teams can "figure out" Hurts and the way the offense ran in 2022...then what are other successful teams doing? Serious question because I only casually watch some other teams. Are other teams changing things enough from year to year that defenses can't figure them out? Are Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Jackson, etc. doing vastly different things from year to year, or do they still have the same skill set and run the same things? Are the coaches tweaking and adjusting things to disguise them with certain looks, motion, etc to keep the defense guessing?

So to me that would point to coaching, not Hurts. If the NFL has "figured out" how to defend Hurts, what are the coaches doing to scheme differently? We know they are not using motion or play action. The narrative some fans have is that Hurts doesn't want to, even refuses to run these things which I find hard to believe.

As much as CLE played man and blitzed on Sunday, I think 2022 Hurts runs for 100yds.

30 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

4-1 with Tanner McKee

Possibly even 5-0.

(A QB who follows the system, learns from his mistakes and makes plays)

 

There, I said it.  Enjoy.

 

(This is coming from a Hurts supporter since day 1 - the day he was drafted) 

Sorry, but this is absurd.  

(This is coming from a fan that has not been happy with Hurts performance this year).  The hyperbole by some is getting out of hand.  

Lawrence and Burns not practicing for Giants.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

So to me that would point to coaching, not Hurts. If the NFL has "figured out" how to defend Hurts, what are the coaches doing to scheme differently? We know they are not using motion or play action. The narrative some fans have is that Hurts doesn't want to, even refuses to run these things which I find hard to believe.

Yeah.  Hurts is probably a quarter step slower than '22 but not enough to cause such an overall drop off.  Plus, Barkley is much better than Sanders.

Certainly there is likely to be a large portion of the explanation in the other team's figuring things out which points to coaching not adapting as a significant contributor.

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

As much as CLE played man and blitzed on Sunday, I think 2022 Hurts runs for 100yds.

Ok? That didn't answer any of the questions I asked. (Also people criticized Hurts for running too much in the past, now you want him to run more which is interesting).

And what about the scheme, play design and play calls? Do you believe that the coaches review film for 2 years and are running the same things that defenses have figured out how to stop, and they cannot run anything else because their QB can't/won't run them? That's what we're going with? So the coaches are just so handcuffed and handicapped by the QB that they can't run anything different?

Wait, the podcast summary above pointed out there are some new plays mixed in. But I thought Hurts refuses or can't run anything different?  Man, the narratives on this are all over the place.

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

A. Hurts did not say this, some "scoop" entertainment tweeter said it. But some of you are foaming at the mouth getting mad at Hurts based on speculation and a rumor.

B. Do we even know it's true he has a newborn? A quick Google search shows just a TikTok account posting a rumor about it last year in Oct 2023 which wasn't true then. There's some Facebook post that rumors his new fiancé is pregnant.

But this is how narratives form. There will 100% be comments on here throughout the season mocking him regarding taking care of a baby when he plays poorly, and it might not even be true he even has a baby. 

I’m not mad at him.  For that at least.  Just saying that narrative is ridiculous.  And yes…I’m well aware it came from random tweeter.

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah.  Hurts is probably a quarter step slower than '22 but not enough to cause such an overall drop off.  Plus, Barkley is much better than Sanders.

Certainly there is likely to be a large portion of the explanation in the other team's figuring things out which points to coaching not adapting as a significant contributor.

I think he's more than 1/4 step slower, but overall I think he is running less - which is probably a good choice for longevity.  Downside is that you have to make up for that production by being a more efficient passer vs a defense that is less pigeon-holed on what they can do against you.

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Hurts is probably a quarter step slower than '22

I would say more like 2 steps slower at least.

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah.  Hurts is probably a quarter step slower than '22 but not enough to cause such an overall drop off.  Plus, Barkley is much better than Sanders.

Certainly there is likely to be a large portion of the explanation in the other team's figuring things out which points to coaching not adapting as a significant contributor.

To be clear, I think Hurts has regressed I've said that many times. He is more hesitant, slower in his runs even sluggish. The increased turnovers. 

When a QB is struggling, you need to run the ball more, take the points with a FG on 4th down, game plan with simpler throws to get him out of a slump and build some confidence. I think the problems on this offense are a mix of coaching and Hurts.

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I hope Nabers is able to play Sunday. Mitchell vs Nabers looks like it's going to be a great rivalry for the next 5-10 years. 

Totally fair. Don't want concussions to linger for young players either.

12 minutes ago, NOTW said:

To be clear, I think Hurts has regressed I've said that many times. He is more hesitant, slower in his runs even sluggish. The increased turnovers. 

When a QB is struggling, you need to run the ball more, take the points with a FG on 4th down, game plan with simpler throws to get him out of a slump and build some confidence. I think the problems on this offense are a mix of coaching and Hurts.

The problem is they want him to be like Mahomes and Allen when he isn't, and that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world. Goff isn't at that level either and Detroit looks like one of the best teams in the league. You can win a lot of games with a "non-elite" quarterback, but the Eagles don't do a good job of protecting Hurts. I've been critical of him, but can also admit that the coaches aren't doing much to help him. They call plays like a 12 year old on Madden (go-route, go-route, go-route). The simplest thing they can do for Hurts is to get him in 3rd and manageable distances. 4-5 yards on a first down is a win. It's when they get behind the chains it becomes an issue, but this team isn't very disciplined either when it comes to penalties and that's another issue.