38 minutes ago, paco said:

@mattwill

Giants: 31

Eagles: 17

Bonus: Daniel Jones +75 rushing yards.

27 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Not that you are concluding it is Hurts, nor implying that was your takeaway from the summary, but my biggest problem with the possibility that Hurts is the issue (some/more/all), is when you focus on Play Action.  Is anyone seriously going to argue that Hurts can't run PA?  GTFOH. 

And PA opens the short middle up.  So, if you don't run PA, then with it goes some of the short middle stuff. 

We ran two (2) PA plays?  Both with success?  Two?  TWO?  Insanity. 

I'm not buying it is Hurts, about whom there are other issues, but PA, under center and maybe even middle of the field issues are chimeras, IMO. They simply aren't running PA and aren't running from under center.  Except now they are. So, add more.  A lot more, Moore. 

Are you not accepting of the possibility that Hurts is not comfortable turning his back to the defense to execute the play fake?

12 minutes ago, NOTW said:

To be clear, I think Hurts has regressed I've said that many times. He is more hesitant, slower in his runs even sluggish. The increased turnovers. 

His results have certainly diminished but I think it is a factor of several things and I don't think his regression is the main reason.  I think it is a combination of Hurts being slower, other teams figuring him out, and a large drop off in coaching losing Steichen.

In other words, I don't think he is as good as he looked in '22 but also not as bad as he has been over the last 12 games.

Hurts does has a baby.

One to nurture and care for.

To provide it with every opportunity to succeed.

Lurie is a surrogate.

That baby is the Philadelphia Eagles.

After a slow start after the bye week, Hurts was excellent.

I think a lot of his problem is another new coordinator, combined with Kelce retiring and more of the pre-snap load on his shoulders.

It takes time for new plays, terminology, looks, etc. to become second nature - then he loses both starting WRs.

So let's see how he finishes the season.

 

The one thing I have seen is Hurts has lost a step in terms of speed, which is why he struggles to run laterally, but is still dangerous when he can turn upfield and use his power and agility to avoid and run through arm tackles. Teams try to make him move laterally b/c he can't outrun defenders, I think QB draws are better suited to him.

 

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Flyers were huge during that period

We've been blessed with some of the most exciting teams through sports even though we don't have the titles to show for it. I mean the 2000s were littered with fantastic teams across the board. 

The Carter/Richards era was the start of such a fun time to be a Flyers fan. I consider them the Bro Hymn years. 

42 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Sorry, but this is absurd.  

(This is coming from a fan that has not been happy with Hurts performance this year).  The hyperbole by some is getting out of hand.  

It’s really not.  
 

Typically I would support Hurts like I have usually done over the past 5 years - especially against the nonsensical diatribe you see on these forums.

But it’s time that our 5th year (considered to be elite by many) QB stepped up to the plate and took responsibility for his performance.
 

 And I’m not talking about words.  

Sometimes you need to take responsibility (when things aren’t going right) by going back to basics…

- If a play isn’t there, throw it out of bounds. (Or run forward - but don’t run around behind the line when there’s 8 guys in your face) 

- If you should check down - check the f down and don’t play hero ball 

-  You don’t need to audible into a bomb pass whenever the play call isn’t there.  2 or 3 "great plays” during a game will usually not negate a half dozen mistakes.  The bomb plays are great - and if it’s there, take it.  But don’t make a habit of going to it every time the play call isn’t there)

- Slow down and let the game come to you.  
 

 

18 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

The problem is they want him to be like Mahomes and Allen when he isn't, and that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world. Goff isn't at that level either and Detroit looks like one of the best teams in the league. You can win a lot of games with a "non-elite" quarterback, but the Eagles don't do a good job of protecting Hurts. I've been critical of him, but can also admit that the coaches aren't doing much to help him. They call plays like a 12 year old on Madden (go-route, go-route, go-route). The simplest thing they can do for Hurts is to get him in 3rd and manageable distances. 4-5 yards on a first down is a win. It's when they get behind the chains it becomes an issue, but this team isn't very disciplined either when it comes to penalties and that's another issue. 

Excuse me.

When he sees a single high safety, Hurts is audibling to those go routes.  It's his favorite throw. 

He threw go routes to Brown on second and medium on the first two possessions on Sunday.

Hurts ultimately decides where the ball goes.

 

18 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Ok? That didn't answer any of the questions I asked. (Also people criticized Hurts for running too much in the past, now you want him to run more which is interesting).

And what about the scheme, play design and play calls? Do you believe that the coaches review film for 2 years and are running the same things that defenses have figured out how to stop, and they cannot run anything else because their QB can't/won't run them? That's what we're going with? So the coaches are just so handcuffed and handicapped by the QB that they can't run anything different?

Wait, the podcast summary above pointed out there are some new plays mixed in. But I thought Hurts refuses or can't run anything different?  Man, the narratives on this are all over the place.

I still want him to run less. Use Barkley for runs. I'd like them to play more under center to mix things up. Don't always go for the bombs. Even have Gainwell and Barkley in the back

Be creative

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Yup - I completely forgot the Flyers made the finals against the Blackhawks, I been kind of tuned out since the Lindros era.

The Lindros era and the Legion of Doom was my childhood and the Red Wings killed that era, but the Richards/Carter/G/Simmonds era was SO fun to watch. It helped that those years were my prime sports fandom years too, but I just loved watching those teams play.

It's a shame that our great teams have had to meet generational opponents.

Flyers had the Red Wings

Sixers had the Lakers

Eagles had the Patriots

Phillies had the Yankees 

 

Agreed. Do it Lions!

49 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Might be an unpopular opinion, but I hope Nabers is able to play Sunday. Mitchell vs Nabers looks like it's going to be a great rivalry for the next 5-10 years. 

I still remember how exciting it was when Bobby Taylor came on to the scene and became the nemesis for Michael Irvin. The Eagles finally had a CB to match up with him. Mitchell/Nabers will be a good one.

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The one thing I have seen is Hurts has lost a step in terms of speed, which is why he struggles to run laterally, but is still dangerous when he can turn upfield and use his power and agility to avoid and run through arm tackles. Teams try to make him move laterally b/c he can't outrun defenders, I think QB draws are better suited to him.

 

How does a 26 year old QB, who hasn't had any major injuries just lose a step though? Lamar Jackson is 27, has been beaten up far more than Hurts and doesn't miss a beat, even when he put weight on. It makes no sense for Hurts to have lost a step. He went from a dynamic runner to a QB who can't get around the edge. It's one of the more confusing things.

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I still want him to run less. Use Barkley for runs. I'd like them to play more under center to mix things up. Don't always go for the bombs. Even have Gainwell and Barkley in the back

Be creative

Yup, against the Browns I think they said hurts was under center for 1 play, not counting tush push 

That one play was a play action pass that went for a pretty big gain.

Then eagles went back to same old same old predictable boring offense ...😒

Zero creativity.

16 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Excuse me.

When he sees a single high safety, Hurts is audibling to those go routes.  It's his favorite throw. 

He threw go routes to Brown on second and medium on the first two possessions on Sunday.

Hurts ultimately decides where the ball goes.

 

That first throw to Brown on second down wasn’t really a go route.  I’ll be willing to bet pretty big money that Brown didn’t read that first one the right way.  Perhaps he was just a bit rusty.  It looked to me that Hurts was just throwing it to a spot that he thought Brown would be at.

24 minutes ago, RLC said:

Agreed. Do it Lions!

Interesting, NYJ gets a 2nd (but they now have to give to us theirs), but lose a 3rd.  Or doing nothing and lose a 3rd (to us).  I feel like they lose value in this trade.

 

19 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

It’s really not.  
 

Typically I would support Hurts like I have usually done over the past 5 years - especially against the nonsensical diatribe you see on these forums.

But it’s time that our 5th year (considered to be elite by many) QB stepped up to the plate and took responsibility for his performance.
 

 And I’m not talking about words.  

Sometimes you need to take responsibility (when things aren’t going right) by going back to basics…

- If a play isn’t there, throw it out of bounds. (Or run forward - but don’t run around behind the line when there’s 8 guys in your face) 

- If you should check down - check the f down and don’t play hero ball 

-  You don’t need to audible into a bomb pass whenever the play call isn’t there.  2 or 3 "great plays” during a game will usually not negate a half dozen mistakes.  The bomb plays are great - and if it’s there, take it.  But don’t make a habit of going to it every time the play call isn’t there)

- Slow down and let the game come to you.  
 

 

All of this is well and good, but it does nothing to explain how a third string quarterback with no career starts would be undefeated or only have one loss.  The hyperbole I was speaking about is assuming that he would make no mistakes.  Pretty big assumption I’d say.  It wouldn’t be a big leap to say he might’ve even made more mistakes than Jalen has through the first five games.  Just saying

22 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

His results have certainly diminished but I think it is a factor of several things and I don't think his regression is the main reason.  I think it is a combination of Hurts being slower, other teams figuring him out, and a large drop off in coaching losing Steichen.

In other words, I don't think he is as good as he looked in '22 but also not as bad as he has been over the last 12 games.

I'm in agreement with this sentiment.

I remember seeing a feature on Steichen and there was a portion where he was talking to Hurts in-game, saying "Just f****n trust me".  He knew that a play he'd called would work, but Hurts didn't want to run it.  Sometimes the coordinator needs to take charge and be more forceful.  The QB needs that familiarity and trust to be able to get in sync with the coaches.  Steichen was right, but he needed buy in from the player(s).  Defenses will adjust in the next few weeks to giving help over the top on AJ Brown.  Moore will have to adjust, and Hurts is going to have to counter that by taking what the defense is giving and being more patient.  QB and coordinator need to be on the same page.

We know Hurts is going to be the Eagles QB through 2025 and likely 2026.  Most of the offense is locked up contractually to coincide with that timeline.  I'm hoping Hurts' play will improve through the rest of this season as he gets more in sync with Moore and Doug Nussmeier.  For Hurts to continue to develop I think it's also important for Moore and Nussmeier to be retained. 

I can't see Hurts being any better in 2025 with different coaches; he'll likely, in fact, continue to get worse.    

36 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Are you not accepting of the possibility that Hurts is not comfortable turning his back to the defense to execute the play fake?

Nah.  That is crazy.  He has rolled this way and that and turned his back plenty on scrambles and roll outs.  I just can't buy it.  

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Interesting, NYJ gets a 2nd (but they now have to give to us there's), but lose a 3rd.  Or doing nothing and lose a 3rd (to us).  I feel like they lose value in this trade.

 

In this context, the best thing they save is cash/cap space once Reddick reports.

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Interesting, NYJ gets a 2nd (but they now have to give to us there's), but lose a 3rd.  Or doing nothing and lose a 3rd (to us).  I feel like they lose value in this trade.

 

They don't have much of a choice to untangle the mess they made. 

They also get a little value moving up in next years draft. The 2nd round pick that comes to us would be in 2026 and they have more time to offset that cost. 

4 hours ago, wussbasket said:

 

Double ET stunt. DE speed rushes and then goes inside while the DT loops outside to contain the edge. Plays like this will open it up more for Huff and Sweat. Look at Huffs explosiveness off the line, he's basically already off the line before anyone else is in their stance.

Carter and Huff do a much better job here than Ojomo and Sweat, but this is a new adjustment.

I don’t think it’s a stunt at all. I think Carter read the QB and tried to get his arm up in the throwing lane. JMHO.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

They don't have much of a choice to untangle the mess they made. 

They also get a little value moving up in next years draft. The 2nd round pick that comes to us would be in 2026 and they have more time to offset that cost. 

I forgot that our pick was coming in 2026 - that softens the equation.

2 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Nah.  That is crazy.  He has rolled this way and that and turned his back plenty on scrambles and roll outs.  I just can't buy it.  

Please show me the "plenty" of roll outs FROM UNDER CENTER WHERE HE TURNS HIS BACK TO THE DEFENSE.

 

2 minutes ago, just relax said:

I don’t think it’s a stunt at all. I think Carter read the QB and tried to get his arm up in the throwing lane. JMHO.

Then why does Ojomo take a mirrored path on the other side?