2 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

The thing that "some” are not getting is that this will have serious, in my opinion, terrible effects for the future. Trump is not in it for the long haul and doesn’t give a crap about "later”.

Trump never thought he'd have to deal with the effects of his decision to tear up the deal in 2018. This is all just the result of that all-time stupid call that only happened because the Republican Party's crippling ODS.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Chicken Little. Sky is falling!!!

Yes, there is a clear upside and some positive things have already happened. Also, yes, the risks are huge and war is complex with LOTS of unexpected turns and twists. I feel bad for you if you can't understand that very simple fact.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

No, I'm driven by my knowledge, thru both formal learning and lived experience. You, on the other hand, are driven by the orange goo dripping all over you.

You are driven by hate. It's going well so far. Read a magazine or watch a movie and stop freaking out that the plane will crash.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Yes, there is a clear upside and some positive things have already happened. Also, yes, the risks are huge and war is complex with LOTS of unexpected turns and twists. I feel bad for you if you can't understand that very simple fact.

Of course. But the sky isn't falling yet. Hasn't even been a week yet. Calm down lady

11 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm anything but. Every administration since 79 has said Iran is a problem. I supported diplomacy but not pacifism with Trump. It's no secret what I thought of Obama or Biden but I never bashed them when they used out military. Even if I didn't like it I trusted they felt it was necessary. Did the same with Bush until it was proven to be BS years into it and now I bash the hell out him.

I trust Trump saw intel this was necessary and even though I was team diplomacy the moment our troops are in action I'll support the crap out of them and the action they are involved in.

This, this right here is the problem. They haven't made anything close to a convincing argument for it. But you believe absolutely anything that this pathologically lying regime says. Trump and Leavitt themselves are going with "it was a feeling".

The military strikes have been amazing to behold, but you still have to make a rational and convincing case for full on war and regime change especially in a place where that is especially tricky to pull off. They haven't, they haven't come close. Putin has made a way more complete case for invading ukraine and he's a freakin dictator.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You are driven by hate. It's going well so far. Read a magazine or watch a movie and stop freaking out that the plane will crash.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Of course. But the sky isn't falling yet. Hasn't even been a week yet. Calm down lady

Some weird, pathetic gaslighting attempt going on in here hahahahahaha

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

You are driven by hate. It's going well so far. Read a magazine or watch a movie and stop freaking out that the plane will crash.

Ridiculous. We've knocked out their navy, large parts of their weapons launchers, significant parts of their leadership, key infrastructure, etc. Yeah, the initial military phase is going very well. No hate at all. We good with that part?

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

Ridiculous. We've knocked out their navy, large parts of their weapons launchers, significant parts of their leadership, key infrastructure, etc. Yeah, the initial military phase is going very well. No hate at all. We good with that part?

I honestly applaud you for mentioning the good things. Genuinely. As for what failures can happen I don't see a point stressing out until they arrive.

@DrPhilly You just got applauded by DieHard. This is big for you.

Just now, VanHammersly said:

@DrPhilly You just got applauded by DieHard. This is big for you.

Not the first time nor the last

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I honestly applaud you for mentioning the good things. Genuinely. As for what failures can happen I don't see a point stressing out until they arrive.

Yeah, thats the same thing this incompetent administration is doing.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I honestly applaud you for mentioning the good things. Genuinely. As for what failures can happen I don't see a point stressing out until they arrive.

...and that is the tell. Playing checkers when the world is 5D chess particularly when it comes to war and especially war in the Middle East. Smarter types always plan ahead in order to maximize utility and minimize serious risks.

edit: Play the hole backwards and don't just bomb away with the Driver without even looking at the potential consequences or how it sets up your next shot.

1 hour ago, paco said:

Nope….. not typing that. Not saying that.

It’s ok because it ends with and a, not er.

6 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

@DrPhilly You just got applauded by DieHard. This is big for you.

That's what it might look like but actually I shot his argument to bits

7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said:

@DrPhilly You just got applauded by DieHard. This is big for you.

If you think THATs applause, wait to you see what claps on him if Trump said that.

4 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

It’s ok because it ends with and a, not er.

1 hour ago, paco said:

Nope….. not typing that. Not saying that.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Chicken Little. Sky is falling!!!

Why even consider any of that stuff unless it happens?

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't freak out about the turbulence the pilot mentioned until it arrives. You are driven 100% by your hatred and dislike.

FFS man, have you had your head under a rock since the 60s? We were lied to about every war, in my lifetime. If you do not question the government when they commit our troops to war or any military action that puts lives in harms way, you are a neocon and a war monger who has no compassion for life other than your own and those you agree with. You can deny this all you want, but that is the person you portray in CVON. Everyone see it but you and maybe sloth and a few others.

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

FFS man, have you had your head under a rock since the 60s? We were lied to about every war, in my lifetime. If you do not question the government when they commit our troops to war or any military action that puts lives in harms way, you are a neocon and a war monger who has no compassion for life other than your own and those you agree with. You can deny this all you want, but that is the person you portray in CVON. Everyone see it but you and maybe sloth and a few others.

I am against using our troops unless it's necessary but they are in it and I'm fully behind them and the operation. I'm against boots on the ground but if we do I'm 100 percent behind it once it happens rooting for them to succeed not focused on what bad things could happen. I fully supported Biden and Obama when they did and for all the times I bashed them I never once did about that even if I didn't agree. There is a time for politics and personal beliefs and a time to be behind them.

11 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

At this point to secure the strait you'd have to have a sizable amount of boots on the ground.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I'm against boots on the ground but if we do I'm 100 percent behind it

Exactly, suck the Orange man goo

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I am against using our troops unless it's necessary but they are in it and I'm fully behind them and the operation. I'm against boots on the ground but if we do I'm 100 percent behind it once it happens rooting for them to succeed not focused on what bad things could happen. I fully supported Biden and Obama when they did and for all the times I bashed them I never once did about that even if I didn't agree. There is a time for politics and personal

Zero sentience detected in this post

12 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

So if the financial community could go back now and reevaluate their analysis as to how to handle Trump would the conclusion still be "don't fight him, get what you can get and ride it out"?