MAGA is riled up today

Just now, Boogyman said:

Denying the obvious truth, how retarded can you possibly get?

Don’t challenge him, he can surely go dumber. He’s proof there is no god, because he’d surely be struck down if there was.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

It appears you need to brush up on your history

Lol

Go read the Quran and compare it to the bible.

Find me a single teaching of Jesus Christ that advocates for violence or killing.

Muhammad was a slave trader, warlord, and pedophile who quite literally made a bunch of ish up and then forced people to follow his rule under threat of death.

Go educate yourself before you post these teenage level idiotic takes on a public forum

2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

MAGA is riled up today

Don’t challenge him, he can surely go dumber. He’s proof there is no god, because he’d surely be struck down if there was.

It's insane how thoroughly uneducated liberals are about Christianity and Islam.

There is a God, Jesus Christ is Lord, and you should repent for your sins before it's too late.

"Struck down" lol tell me you have a kindergarten understanding of Christianity without telling me.

I should start posting in the Toaster Christianity thread again

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Lol

Go read the Quran and compare it to the bible.

Find me a single teaching of Jesus Christ that advocates for violence or killing.

Muhammad was a slave trader, warlord, and pedophile who quite literally made a bunch of ish up and then forced people to follow his rule under threat of death.

Go educate yourself before you post these teenage level idiotic takes on a public forum

Muslims actually believe Yeshua was a great profit and follow his teachings.

Key Perspectives on Jesus in Islam:

• Revered Prophet:Muslims believe in the virgin birth and miracles of Jesus, and he is a revered figure in Islam.

• Shared Teachings: Many teachings attributed to Jesus, such as compassion, charity, and ethical behavior, are shared in Islamic tradition, similar to the Prophet Muhammad’s teachings.

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

Muslims actually believe Yeshua was a great profit and follow his teachings.

Key Perspectives on Jesus in Islam:

• Revered Prophet:Muslims believe in the virgin birth and miracles of Jesus, and he is a revered figure in Islam.

• Shared Teachings: Many teachings attributed to Jesus, such as compassion, charity, and ethical behavior, are shared in Islamic tradition, similar to the Prophet Muhammad’s teachings.

They deny Jesus' very teachings and reject Jesus' claims of being God. They deny that he even died on the cross which is overwhelmingly and objectively fact.

Any inclusion of Jesus in the Quran is 100% to try and validate Muhammad bull-ish doctrine. The entire history of Islam is built on lies.

In fact, their own admission of Jesus as a prophet renders their entire religion as false.

If what Jesus said was true, and they claim it is, then their entire religion is false as Jesus expressly warned against.

13 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

(J) Quran 47:4 "Do not hanker for peace with infidels; behead them when you catch them

The phrase "Do not hanker for peace with infidels; behead them when you catch them" is not an accurate or direct quote from the Quran.

It appears to be a paraphrased or heavily interpreted summary often cited in online discussions or by critics of Islam, aiming to represent the content of Surah Muhammad (47:4).

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Here is the context regarding that verse and the phrase:

• The Actual Verse (47:4): A widely accepted English translation of Surah Muhammad 47:4 is: "So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens...".

• Context of the Verse: Scholars and commentators emphasize that this verse refers specifically to a state of active battle/warfare, not a general command for daily life.

• "Strike Necks": The phrase "strike necks" (Arabic: ḍarba al-riqāb) is often translated as "strike at their necks" or "smite their necks." It is interpreted as a military command to target combatants during a conflict.

• Peace Clause: The same verse (47:4) actually provides instructions for handling captives after the battle, including setting them free or taking ransom, and mentions "until the war lays down its burdens".

• "Do Not Seek Peace": The first part of your quote ("Do not hanker for peace...") is not found in the text of 47:4. In fact, another verse, 8:61, states: "But if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also]...".

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In summary, while the Quranic verse 47:4 contains harsh language regarding combatants in battle, the specific sentence provided is a rephrased interpretation, not the literal text.

btw - regardless of any disagreement i may have with getting involved with this directly instead of staying out another conflict/war, F iran.

17 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

(E) Quran 8:12 "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than Quran”

No, the phrase "Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than Quran" is not a direct quote from the Quran.

This phrase does not appear in the text of the Quran.

However, the quote is often misrepresented or constructed by combining parts of verses taken out of context to resemble a violent command. Here is the context regarding the verses frequently misused to support such claims:

• Surah Al-Anfal 8:12: The verse says: "[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, 'I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.'"

  • Context: This refers specifically to the Battle of Badr, describing an instruction to angels assisting Muslims in a defensive war against the Meccans who were actively seeking to destroy them, not a general command for all time.

• Surah Muhammad 47:4: The verse says: "So when you meet the disbelievers [in battle], strike [their] necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly..."

  • Context: Similar to 8:12, this verse refers to active battlefield situations and goes on to state that prisoners should be treated with generosity or ransomed, rather than automatically executed.

• Regarding other scriptures: The Quran does not command violence against people simply for holding other scriptures. In fact, it refers to Jews and Christians as "People of the Book" and provides a framework for coexistence, while also stating: "There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256).

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The misinterpretation often arises from taking verses that relate to specific military conflicts during the Prophet Muhammad's time and treating them as general, universal rules of conduct.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

They d

Damn, was he struck down in the middle of replying? 😮. I’m a believer again.

8 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol

Go read the Quran and compare it to the bible.

Find me a single teaching of Jesus Christ that advocates for violence or killing.

Muhammad was a slave trader, warlord, and pedophile who quite literally made a bunch of ish up and then forced people to follow his rule under threat of death.

Go educate yourself before you post these teenage level idiotic takes on a public forum

I doubt you read the Quran. Likely went to AI

Like I said there's documented proof of atrocities occurring in the name of god for Christians. Acting like the faith doesn't have a dark past is naive

Also acting like supposed Christians aren't calling for the death of humans is a bit hypocritical but I expected as much

19 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

(I) Quran 9:123 "Make war on infidels living in your neighborhood”

That exact phrase is not a direct quote from the Quran. However, it is a paraphrase or interpretation of Surah At-Tawbah 9:123, which is frequently quoted in anti-Islam materials.

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The standard English translation of that verse is:

"O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous." (Surah 9:123)

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Context and Interpretation:

• Context of War: This verse was revealed during a time of active, imminent war between the Muslims of Medina and the surrounding hostile tribes.

• Specific Targets: Islamic commentators (Tafsir) often interpret this verse as referring to the disbelievers and hypocrites (those who broke peace treaties, such as the Banu Qurayzah) in the immediate vicinity of Medina, rather than a general command to fight all non-Muslim neighbors everywhere and at all times.

• Defense Against Treachery: The verse was a command to stop those who were initiating hostilities, breaking treaties, or plotting to assassinate the Prophet.

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Contrast with Other Verses:
While this verse calls for toughness, the Quran also states, "Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them" (Surah 60:8), and commands respecting neighbors.

20 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

(D) Quran 5:33 "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam”

No, that exact phrase is not a quote from the Quran. The sentence "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam" appears to be a distorted paraphrase or a made-up quote often used in social media to provoke anger, rather than an accurate translation of any Quranic verse.

While this specific phrase is not present, it is often falsely attributed to Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:33. Here is the context and accurate translation of that verse:

Contextual Understanding of Quran 5:33

• Actual Focus: The verse (5:33) addresses those who "wage war against Allah and His Messenger" and "cause corruption in the land," which scholars often interpret as violent acts like terrorism or armed robbery.

• Misinterpretations: The phrase in question is not found in the text, nor does the verse mention "criticism" or define targets based solely on being "infidels".

• Scope: The, the punishments mentioned apply to anyone committing these severe crimes, including Muslims.

• Related Context: The verse is followed by an exception for those who repent (5:34) and is preceded by a verse highlighting the sanctity of life (5:32).

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The circulating quote is a documented misrepresentation of the Quranic text.

3 minutes ago, Lambo said:

The phrase "Do not hanker for peace with infidels; behead them when you catch them" is not an accurate or direct quote from the Quran.

It appears to be a paraphrased or heavily interpreted summary often cited in online discussions or by critics of Islam, aiming to represent the content of Surah Muhammad (47:4).

Amarillo Globe-News +2

Here is the context regarding that verse and the phrase:

• The Actual Verse (47:4): A widely accepted English translation of Surah Muhammad 47:4 is: "So when you meet those who disbelieve [in battle], strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them, then secure their bonds, and either [confer] favor afterwards or ransom [them] until the war lays down its burdens...".

• Context of the Verse: Scholars and commentators emphasize that this verse refers specifically to a state of active battle/warfare, not a general command for daily life.

• "Strike Necks": The phrase "strike necks" (Arabic: ḍarba al-riqāb) is often translated as "strike at their necks" or "smite their necks." It is interpreted as a military command to target combatants during a conflict.

• Peace Clause: The same verse (47:4) actually provides instructions for handling captives after the battle, including setting them free or taking ransom, and mentions "until the war lays down its burdens".

• "Do Not Seek Peace": The first part of your quote ("Do not hanker for peace...") is not found in the text of 47:4. In fact, another verse, 8:61, states: "But if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also]...".

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In summary, while the Quranic verse 47:4 contains harsh language regarding combatants in battle, the specific sentence provided is a rephrased interpretation, not the literal text.

Lol thanks for the nonsense AI rebuttal.  At least you (kind of)tries.

There is excerpt after excerpt advocating for death of all infidels but sure, it's just a "misinterpretation"

What happened to all the Christians in the Middle East? 

so, religion being falsely interpreted to promote violence.

thankfully no christians have never done such a horrible thing, especially lately like using religion to promote/justify attacking another country.

Direct link to Quran.com

Quran.com

Surah Al-Baqarah - 191 - Quran.com

Kill them wherever you come upon them and drive them out of the places from which they have driven you out. For persecution is far worse than killing....

But I'm sure that is just a misinterpretation that some AI bot can explain away

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

so, religion being falsely interpreted to promote violence.

thankfully no christians have never done such a horrible thing, especially lately like using religion to promote/justify attacking another country.

One has it codified in their holy book, and the entire religion is based on a warlord/pedophile/pirate/slave trader who made up a bunch of nonsense and randomly incorporated pagan doctrine into his teachings

The other is about Jesus who advocated for peace and to love every single human no matter how sinful they are.

Totally the same though

the quran according to mike is quite the book!

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I doubt you read the Quran. Likely went to AI

Like I said there's documented proof of atrocities occurring in the name of god for Christians. Acting like the faith doesn't have a dark past is naive

Also acting like supposed Christians aren't calling for the death of humans is a bit hypocritical but I expected as much

I'm directly quoting from the Quran you fool

Do you seriously not see the difference between Islam advocating for violence and Christianity not?

When Muslims murder non-Muslims, they are following their teachings

When Christians commit any violence at all, they are sinning and will go to hell if they do not repent

Get it through your thick skull

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

One has it codified in their holy book, and the entire religion is based on a warlord/pedophile/pirate/slave trader who made up a bunch of nonsense and randomly incorporated pagan doctrine into his teachings

The other is about Jesus who advocated for peace and to love every single human no matter how sinful they are.

Totally the same though

This doesnt explain why you are so bloodthirsty and cheering on war all of the time though.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

One has it codified in their holy book, and the entire religion is based on a warlord/pedophile/pirate/slave trader who made up a bunch of nonsense and randomly incorporated pagan doctrine into his teachings

The other is about Jesus who advocated for peace and to love every single human matter how sinful they are.

Totally the same though.

so, then you agree that a person using christian scripture to promote violence is worse because they are twisting the words of jesus who promoted peace and love.

good to know.

7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Lol thanks for the nonsense AI rebuttal.  At least you (kind of)tries.

There is excerpt after excerpt advocating for death of all infidels but sure, it's just a "misinterpretation"

What happened to all the Christians in the Middle East? 

Below is what you quoted 47:4 as saying. You then gave a link to the Quran, which I clicked and searched 47:4. Here is what it says. One of these things is not like the other.

So when you meet the disbelievers ˹in battle˺, strike ˹their˺ necks until you have thoroughly subdued them, then bind them firmly. Later ˹free them either as˺ an act of grace or by ransom until the war comes to an end. So will it be. Had Allah willed, He ˹Himself˺ could have inflicted punishment on them. But He does ˹this only to˺ test some of you by means of others. And those who are martyred in the cause of Allah,¹ He will never render their deeds void.

29 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

(J) Quran 47:4 "Do not hanker for peace with infidels; behead them when you catch them

4 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

the quran according to mike is quite the book!

Nope just the Quran.

Sorry to ruin your pollyanna worldview. Maybe you can learn something 

Just now, Boogyman said:

This doesnt explain why you are so bloodthirsty and cheering on war all of the time though.

because that's what a good christian does you fool