1 hour ago, Captain F said:

Are the Ravens the real test? If we win, do we become SB faves? If we lose, are we frauds? 

I think people will react those ways especially the media talking head shows. I think the way a team plays even in a loss is a factor, or even in an ugly win like we saw a lot of last year. Recently, the way the Eagles are playing gives a lot more confidence than last year. Everyone was waiting for the collapse because of the way they were playing.

The Ravens are 8-4, and they've lost to the Steelers who lead their division currently the Browns (3-8) and Raiders (2-9) in addition to the Chiefs. They needed OT to beat the Bengals who we dominated and only beat the Cowboys by 3. They did blowout Buffalo 35-10 though. Different matchups, division games are always harder, etc. make it hard to make too much meaning out of specific games. Good playoff teams will be playing well at the end of the season. Every team has their hiccups or bad games. If the Eagles were to lose and they are a contender, I would expect them to win out from there. 

 

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

And they made him do a PC this morning. That’s cold. 

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Sucks it’s over thanksgiving weekend (frankly in general for anyone) but he deserved to lose his job. Between yesterday’s disaster, the Hail Mary failure and the blocked field goal it’s been a crap show since the bye week. Then players basically pointing the fingers at the coaching staff after the game 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sucks it’s over thanksgiving weekend (frankly in general for anyone) but he deserved to lose his job. Between yesterday’s disaster, the Hail Mary failure and the blocked field goal it’s been a crap show since the bye week. Then players basically pointing the fingers at the coaching staff after the game 

He seems to be getting all of the blame. Williams was an idiot as well. I know he's a rookie but it's not like he hasn't played football before

Just now, Mike030270 said:

He seems to be getting all of the blame. Williams was an idiot as well. I know he's a rookie but it's not like he hasn't played football before

Yeah Williams is most at fault.  He EASILY could have snapped the ball with 10-15 seconds left on the game clock, which is what he was supposed to do.  That gives enough time to complete a pass to get into FG range, then stop the clock with their last timeout prior to a 4th down FG attempt to tie the game.

Instead he pissed away tons of time idiotically changing the play and therefore didn't snap it until 7 seconds were left, which was too late.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He seems to be getting all of the blame. Williams was an idiot as well. I know he's a rookie but it's not like he hasn't played football before

Before the season I called the Bears to fall back from their 7 wins of last season.  I thought it was a minor miracle Eberflus got them to a 7-10 record with how dysfunctional their offense was.  They went from Justin Fields to Caleb Williams at QB and it's been more of the same.  Williams is a better prospect strictly from a throwing standpoint, but his mechanics stink and he clearly has a long way to go to learn how to run an NFL offense.  

They'll hire an offensive HC now and hope that coach can bring with him a really good OC.  I think there's a lot of work to do to develop Williams into a good NFL QB -- maybe more coaches will get fired along the way.  They're a long way behind the other 3 teams in that division.

7 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Yeah Williams is most at fault.  He EASILY could have snapped the ball with 10-15 seconds left on the game clock, which is what he was supposed to do.  That gives enough time to complete a pass to get into FG range, then stop the clock with their last timeout prior to a 4th down FG attempt to tie the game.

Instead he pissed away tons of time idiotically changing the play and therefore didn't snap it until 7 seconds were left, which was too late.

He couldn't. DJ Moore wasn't set. That's what he was waiting for. 

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And they made him do a PC this morning. That’s cold. 

'bad clock management...

our bad.'

16 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He seems to be getting all of the blame. Williams was an idiot as well. I know he's a rookie but it's not like he hasn't played football before

To be honest, I think this stems more from what happened with the Hail Mary then  they got the field goal block to lose. With the FG block they could’ve still ran one or two plays and gotten closer for that field goal and people were questioning it. I think yesterday was just a culmination which ended it all. I’d add part of yesterday not talked about was just how inept they were in the first half. If they are just below average for that first half they might have won. Been a theme recently 

I made the argument last off-season that they should’ve fired eberflus at that point. It wasn’t because he deserved it at that time. but if I’m taking a quarterback at 1, I want to maximize that QB. Eberflus never showed good ability to hire an offensive mind to do that nor did Justin fields/offense show the type of improvement that indicated he would. Now Justin Field sucks, but there should’ve been at least some improvement year to year and weeks to week but it was largely the same inconsistent offense. For an organization that’s gone decades without good development of a quarterback should’ve gone out of your way to give your no. 1 pick all that and done this a year early then months down the road  

Now you’re essentially in a Jeff Fisher/Jared Goff Situation. Frankly, Williams is better than what Jared Goff was as a rookie. But some of the issues where he holds the ball too long, clock management and his footwork are things that could’ve been further along in his development. Having the no 1 pick and choice of any QB if you loved Williams, Daniels or whomever is more attractive then now with some who may look at Caleb Williams and think he may never be worthy of that top choice after this year. It’s a better sell at that time then it is now.   
 

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just looking ahead to schedules...

KC is kind of getting screwed by the league schedule.

They got the 'mini-bye' to start the year by starting on Thursday night at the start of the season.

BUT, they also get to play on a Friday, which is slightly better than a Thursday game, but not by much.  Then they get a 6 days situation where they line up to play on a Saturday, then they get the 'privilege' of lining up on a Wednesday for the Christmas game.   So, they play on 6 days rest, then again on 4 days rest, after a 5 days rest about a month earlier.   Just horrific scheduling.   If the NFL really wants these weird days with games, they need to add a second bye.

The Eagles had a similar problem with their schedule last year with their opponents coming in week after week with extended rest.  You would think that the NFL could use its computers to avoid these kinds of competitive challenges.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Both opponents for their Christmas cycle, Hou and Pit, have the same amount of rest.  So they are not really disadvantaged.  

Warren Sharp does a good job of compiling the rest advantages/disadvantages for every team. KC has had more rest than their opponents over the course of the season.

Does Sharp still make available last year's chart?

50 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Yeah Williams is most at fault.  He EASILY could have snapped the ball with 10-15 seconds left on the game clock, which is what he was supposed to do.  That gives enough time to complete a pass to get into FG range, then stop the clock with their last timeout prior to a 4th down FG attempt to tie the game.

Instead he pissed away tons of time idiotically changing the play and therefore didn't snap it until 7 seconds were left, which was too late.

Taking the sack wasn't good thinking on Williams' part either.  Loss of yards and clock continues to run.  Throw the ball away.

Hurts of late appears to have finally heard that message.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Both opponents for their Christmas cycle, Hou and Pit, have the same amount of rest.  So they are not really disadvantaged.  

Warren Sharp does a good job of compiling the rest advantages/disadvantages for every team. KC has had more rest than their opponents over the course of the season.

They are disadvantaged compared to the rest of the league.  Less rest can lead to more injuries.   Its bad for the league.

On 11/27/2024 at 7:09 PM, mattwill said:

To give that observation some context, here is the list of the Eagles' Free Agents this Offseason.  I highlighted in green the ones who would leave a hole in the roster.  With the exception of po0ssibly Gainwell, all the non-green players are not likely to garner "qualifying" FA contracts.  Some of the green players clearly will if we lose them, but for me each of them has more value to the team than the Comp Pick they will garner.

For Baun, we have no succession plan ... for that reason and many more he is a priority resigning.

For Becton, we have a succession plan at RG in Steen, but don't have a succession plan for Lane.  We also have Keegan as OG depth, so resigning Becton really revolves around whether Stoutland sees him a viable RT successor to Lane.  The wild card for Becton is whether resigning him results in our losing Steen.

For Graham, his departure or coming back is really a free-standing decision.  We need youth on the Edge regardless, and he isn't going to sign with any team other than the Eagles.  Graham playing one more year

I personally don't see Fred Johnson as a NFL starting Tackle.  He is a quite good backup, who brings good value to the team in that role. Any decision on Fred revolves around two factors, (1) whether another team offers him a starting role.  If they do then Fred's value to us is a Comp Pick, and (2) whether Stoutland believes Darian Kinnard can step into the backup Tackle role Fred currently fills.

I'm probably higher than most people on Isaiah Rodgers.  He and Ringo are the succession plan for Slay.  The timing of that succession is a bit unclear.  But regardless I see Rodgers having more value for the Eagles than any other CB alternative.  If we didn't need Edge as much as we do, using a Day 1 or Day 2 pick on a boundary CB would make sense if Rodgers isn't resigned.

Sweat and Williams we have talked at length about.  I'm partial to resigning both of them

Zach	Baun
Mekhi	Becton
Oren	Burks
Le'Raven	Clark
Jack	Driscoll
Kenneth	Gainwell
Nick	Gates
Brandon	Graham
Charles	Harris
Fred	Johnson
Rick	Lovato
Avonte	Maddox
Isaiah	Rodgers
John	Ross
Josh	Sweat
Milton	Williams
Britain	Covey
Ben	VanSumeren

BVS is a RFA.   You are missing Mann, who I think is green too.  Gates and Driscoll are the back up Cs.  Need a back up C/G if one of those isn’t retained.  I think Lovato like Mann is a green.  Burks has been the first ILB off the bench and a good STs player.  One thing these players have in common is they should come cheap.  All can be upgraded but Howie tends to try to come out of free agency without holes and back up C, punter and long snapper would be holes in the lineup. I don’t expect the Eagles to come out of free agency without a back up C, without a P or LS, with only Mailata and Lane at T and with only Trot2 and Dean signed at ILB. 

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Taking the sack wasn't good thinking on Williams' part either.  Loss of yards and clock continues to run.  Throw the ball away.

Hurts of late appears to have finally heard that message.

Definitely can’t take that sack. He has throw it away. However solak on his video showed that they were trying to run a RPO QB draw on that play. Can go look at the wide receivers, they just kind of jogging to go to make blocks on that play. Why it looked like slow developing routes on initial tv view 

besides that point, we are in week 13 Caleb Williams has to understand he has to get rid of the ball faster than that. But I also go to what are your coaches doing to help him understand he can’t just keep doing what he is doing? he took a sack similar to that the week before in overtime against Minnesota. Really hurt them in that game. So that should’ve been a teaching coaching point to make him have this epiphany that he can’t do it. So what happens in the next week? The same thing. So it’s on him and your coaches are doing a poor job trying to make him understand throwing it away. 

 

 

Aaron Rodgers still helping out the packers 

 

Throwing the ball away on a designed quarterback draw is playing with fire. You're very likely to have linemen blocking downfield.

Picking up on the earlier in the week discussion about what makes a good QB, yesterday's performance by Tua was an excellent example of what @DrPhilly and I were arguing, and a not so good example of what @HazletonEagle was arguing.

Over the last four or five weeks Tua has been the epitome of a QB wh  can consistently trow a beautiful on target pass.  He ended up the game  with an over 80% completion rate and a 114.2 QB rating that would have been even higher if Miami coach Mike McDaniel didn't suffer from Andy Reid Disease ... Philadelphia Andy Reid that is.  Yet, despite all the beautifully thrown and completed passes for 365 yards, the Dolphins lost their 7th game out of 12.

It was the first game where I have watched Tua for a whole game.  He is impressive, and I can easily see why HE would rank him ahead of Hurts, but whether it is because of McDaniel or Tua or both, the Dolphins are not a winning football team ... which is what the Eagles with QB1 taking snaps are.

 

25 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The Eagles had a similar problem with their schedule last year with their opponents coming in week after week with extended rest.  You would think that the NFL could use its computers to avoid these kinds of competitive challenges.

The NFL definitely uses computers which calculates things of that nature when working on the schedule. (There was a really good video a few years ago which went over the schedule making process. I think I saw that mentioned on there although it's possible I saw or read it elsewhere.) I think the problem is that it is virtually impossible to have all 32 teams come out at a net zero. It's guaranteed that some teams will be disadvantaged somewhat in terms of rest. What the league tries to do is to make sure those disadvantaged teams are then on the "advantaged" side of the equation the following year.

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Throwing the ball away on a designed quarterback draw is playing with fire. You're very likely to have linemen blocking downfield.

(Ignore the tag line on the tweet). Watching how fast smith gets to Williams, none of those lineman were getting down field. Frankly 75 the right tackle should be getting more crap for this play. if he fixed his glove during this play he’d be brown from the eagles a couple years ago