9 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Throwing the ball away on a designed quarterback draw is playing with fire. You're very likely to have linemen blocking downfield.

At least that stops the clock.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Before the season I called the Bears to fall back from their 7 wins of last season.  I thought it was a minor miracle Eberflus got them to a 7-10 record with how dysfunctional their offense was.  They went from Justin Fields to Caleb Williams at QB and it's been more of the same.  Williams is a better prospect strictly from a throwing standpoint, but his mechanics stink and he clearly has a long way to go to learn how to run an NFL offense.  

They'll hire an offensive HC now and hope that coach can bring with him a really good OC.  I think there's a lot of work to do to develop Williams into a good NFL QB -- maybe more coaches will get fired along the way.  They're a long way behind the other 3 teams in that division.

Their fixes are straightforward, not easy.

1. Hire a good offensive HC who gets Williams to implement the changes necessary for him to become the guy they drafted him to be.

2. Load up on OL

All of the Bears' dumb decisions go out the window if they nail the above 2.

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Picking up on the earlier in the week discussion about what makes a good QB, yesterday's performance by Tua was an excellent example of what @DrPhilly and I were arguing, and a not so good example of what @HazletonEagle was arguing.

Over the last four or five weeks Tua has been the epitome of a QB wh  can consistently trow a beautiful on target pass.  He ended up the game  with an over 80% completion rate and a 114.2 QB rating that would have been even higher if Miami coach Mike McDaniel didn't suffer from Andy Reid Disease ... Philadelphia Andy Reid that is.  Yet, despite all the beautifully thrown and completed passes for 365 yards, the Dolphins lost their 7th game out of 12.

It was the first game where I have watched Tua for a whole game.  He is impressive, and I can easily see why HE would rank him ahead of Hurts, but whether it is because of McDaniel or Tua or both, the Dolphins are not a winning football team ... which is what the Eagles with QB1 taking snaps are.

There are tons of variables there.  It's really not possible to pretend that just boils down to the QBs.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

At least that stops the clock.

What doesn’t get talked about enough in this game, is that earlier in the drive the Bears blew a timeout when the clock was stopped. You have two timeouts compared to 1, can just call a timeout at 32 and still have one. Their clock management was bad that drive. 

16 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

BVS is a RFA.   You are missing Mann, who I think is green too.  Gates and Driscoll are the back up Cs.  Need a back up C/G if one of those isn’t retained.  I think Lovato like Mann is a green.  Burks has been the first ILB off the bench and a good STs player.  One thing these players have in common is they should come cheap.  All can be upgraded but Howie tends to try to come out of free agency without holes and back up C, punter and long snapper would be holes in the lineup. I don’t expect the Eagles to come out of free agency without a back up C, without a P or LS, with only Mailata and Lane at T and with only Trot2 and Dean signed at ILB. 

Big Ed has Mann as an After 2025 contract.  Gates (just over $1 million) Driscoll (just under $600,000) and Burks (just over $1 million) are all essentially Vet Minimum contracts, and as such low on the priority list.  That doesn't make mean Howie will ignore them, but their resigning won't make top of the page headlines the way the signings of the ones I marked in Green will.  Lovato currently gets paid just over $1 million per year in salary and prorated signing bonus.  That is almost a rounding error in the Eagles' total cap.  I don't know when it is time to turn the page on a Long Snapper, but I bet Howie currently has the scouts looking at the college possibilities in case a better alternative to Lovato appears there.

But with all of that as context, I agree with what you have posted 100%.

 

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Their fixes are straightforward, not easy.

1. Hire a good offensive HC who gets Williams to implement the changes necessary for him to become the guy they drafted him to be.

2. Load up on OL

All of the Bears' dumb decisions go out the window if they nail the above 2.

knowing how the bears operate there’s a good chance they F up both of those things.

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What doesn’t get talked about enough in this game, is that earlier in the drive the Bears blew a timeout when the clock was stopped. You have two timeouts compared to 1, can just call a timeout at 32 and still have one. Their clock management was bad that drive. 

I saw that during the game.  Said that it was a bad mistake to use that then.   Just bad clock management.

16 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Throwing the ball away on a designed quarterback draw is playing with fire. You're very likely to have linemen blocking downfield.

Calling a designed QB draw at that point in the game is foolish.

15 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

The NFL definitely uses computers which calculates things of that nature when working on the schedule. (There was a really good video a few years ago which went over the schedule making process. I think I saw that mentioned on there although it's possible I saw or read it elsewhere.) I think the problem is that it is virtually impossible to have all 32 teams come out at a net zero. It's guaranteed that some teams will be disadvantaged somewhat in terms of rest. What the league tries to do is to make sure those disadvantaged teams are then on the "advantaged" side of the equation the following year.

When you look at Warren Sharp's graphic, it is clear that their computer needs an operating system upgrade.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I saw that during the game.  Said that it was a bad mistake to use that then.   Just bad clock management.

To their credit at least they had a good play to pick up 25 yards after the timeout. If they would’ve use that timeout then still didn’t have a good play it makes it look infinity worse then it already does. 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There are tons of variables there.  It's really not possible to pretend that just boils down to the QBs.

I agree with you 100% ... tons of variable ... which is why I don't use the single variable of the QBs arm as the determining factor of what makes a good QB.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

knowing how the bears operate there’s a good chance they F up both of those things.

 

Like or dislike Williams as an elite prospect, it's clear he's in a higher class than those other 2.

Yeah it was egregiously stupid to enter this season with Eberflus as the HC; been saying that since January.

But still it all goes away if Williams becomes the transformational QB a lot of people thought he could be.

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Calling a designed QB draw at that point in the game is foolish.

Yeah bad play call. Smith was unblocked and the LT didn’t do a good job either. Play was doomed unless Williams threw it away. Frankly knew lions were going to be aggressive. Probably was a perfect time for a screen to swift. 

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Like or dislike Williams as an elite prospect, it's clear he's in a higher class than those other 2.

Yeah it was egregiously stupid to enter this season with Eberflus as the HC; been saying that since January.

But still it all goes away if Williams becomes the transformational QB a lot of people thought he could be.

I said the same thing you did with eberflus. I didn’t think he deserved to be fired after last year but if I’m taking the quarterback at number one, i am putting offensive minded coaches to develop the QB right. For an organization that’s done a really **** job at developing quarterbacks for decades, I’m not risking Fing up another quarterback with eberflus who’s showed me nothing in terms of developing QBs or hiring guys that can.

i think Williams is able to be good. I don’t think superstar. I’d argue he’s still playing better than what Goff was with fisher in his rookie year. 

Not necessarily in here, but the "It's not on Caleb he's just a rookie" take is pretty lazy and stupid, imo 

If an average Joe sitting on their couch knows you need urgency there, he has zero excuse.

I'm not saying Eberflus wasn't a bigger moron, but still. 

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Not necessarily in here, but the "It's not on Caleb he's just a rookie take" is pretty lazy and stupid, imo 

If an average Joe sitting on their couch knows you need urgency there, he has zero excuse.

I'm not saying Eberflus wasn't a bigger moron, but still. 

Tbh Eberflus deserved to be fired after the botched Hail Mary then weeks of ineptitude against New England and az. He’s a defensive coach. Those guys should’ve been way better prepared. Add on the crap that happened after with Stevenson was handled poorly. Players for weeks have been saying things. I believe DJ Moore said something a couple weeks back. Then add in the blocked FG vs. Gb. He had 28 seconds and 2 timeouts from the 28 to try and get a couple more yards to make that an easier field goal. Then add on yesterday. I’d add the development of Williams is also an issue.

followed by at the end of the game at his presser, him saying what he did. At that point, I think all those culminated and the bears were just out. Especially when you have Keenan Allen saying what he did against the coaching staff.

Remember when some fans thought AJ Brown wanted to be traded, that he would be disgruntled if they run the ball more?

 

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh Eberflus deserved to be fired after the botched Hail Mary then weeks of ineptitude against New England fans az. He’s a defensive coach. Those guys should’ve been way better prepared. Add on the crap that happened after with Stevenson was handled poorly. Players for weeks have been saying things. I believe DJ Moore said something a couple weeks back. Then add in the blocked FG vs. Gb. He had 28 seconds and 2 timeouts from the 28 to try and get a couple more yards to make that an easier field goal. Then add on yesterday. I’d add the development of Williams is also an issue.

followed by at the end of the game at his presser, him saying what he did. At that point, I think all those culminated and the bears were just out. Especially when you have Keenan Allen saying what he did against the coaching staff.

I agree on all of this. He needed to go.

My point remains though that it was extremely boneheaded by Williams as well

3 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I agree on all of this. He needed to go.

My point remains though that it was extremely boneheaded by Williams as well

Williams definitely deserves blame. Rookie excuse is BS.

Eberflus was getting canned at the end of the year anyway. I think yesterday after everything else they were like F it. Just do it now 

48 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What doesn’t get talked about enough in this game, is that earlier in the drive the Bears blew a timeout when the clock was stopped. You have two timeouts compared to 1, can just call a timeout at 32 and still have one. Their clock management was bad that drive. 

Exactly. I complained the instant they called it. When you have all three on offense with more than a minute on the clock, it is important to keep all three in case you give up the ball. With all three, you can still get the ball back with enough time to actually do something if you stop them. When you’re down to two, the other team can run almost a minute off the clock if they get the ball back. It’s huge.

 

 

By the way, I’m think a nap is a better option than watching the first half of this game today. 

Good, Bears fired that idiot HC, dude prolly cost the Eagles the #1 seed by borderline throwing the game at the end.

7 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Calling TO right away would have left plenty of time to run the FG team on after a pass over the middle.  That was their best option but once they missed that window and clock started to dip under 25 seconds then yeah don't call it unless the clock goes under 10.

Totally disagree. You’re right back into the same time crunch if you catch it in bounds, and open yourself up to all sorts of disastrous outcomes.

Devonta potentially playing is huge. This is a game where we should be passing a lot more than throwing. 

Conversely, the Ravens play a ton of 12/21/22. We don't need Slay this week. He's a better CB than Rodgers, BUT he's banged up a ton. Save him for the playoffs as much as possible when we actually need him. 

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Devonta potential playing is huge. This is a game where should be passing a lot more than throwing. 

Conversely, the Ravens play a ton of 12/21/22. We don't need Slay this week. He's a better CB than Rodgers, BUT he's banged up a ton. Save him for the playoffs as much as possible when we actually need him. 

Excellent strategy