2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I said in that very post that WRs are open sometimes and he misses them. But nearly often enough and not as often as other offenses that don't have the targets the Eagles have.
 

Fran Duffy, Shane Haff, Sheil, and others who do the film every week have backed this up. And none of those guys are Hurts apologists. If you notice, Fran and Shane have really gone in on the offensive play design in particular lately and how unimpressive it is. At least in the passing game.

Other teams don't have to have their offenses dumbed down because the QB can't understand something more complex

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

This is a throw he can make.  He just doesn't want to take a chance and that's terrible.  

He’s been extremely risk averse during the winning streak. Running more, taking more sacks, throwaways, passing up throws he’s not 100% sure about. I don’t think he has an adaptive setting haha - he’s either playing free or he’s protecting the ball, one or the other.

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I remember this play.  Hurts was about to throw the ball when the blitzing LB jumped up to block it.  Hurts pulled the ball down and then left a nice pocket.

yup.  Wait till he lands, or the OL gets the hands down.  Then throw.   He has both Brown and Smith open on that screen cap (not sure where the defenders are though).

Do we bust out champagne when we finally score a TD on one? 

54 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I am absolutely gutted right now. Completely devastated. Because of the update to the board that happened yesterday, I am totally screwed. I use old technology and yesterday's so-called "upgrade" actually ruined things for me. I usually operate from the computer in the basement that I've used for many, many years although sometimes I operate from an IPad that someone gave me about three years ago. Any kind of what I would consider to be a decent comment would be written on the computer. When I comment while using the IPad, I generally kind of limit myself to two or three lines. (I'm a very good typist on a keyboard but on an IPad it is too awkward to type properly so I limit myself.)

@VaBeach_EagleWhat has happened is that the box at the bottom of screen that says "Reply to this topic" has shrunk (about a quarter of its normal size) to the point that it is inoperable. It is simply impossible to put a cursor in there. As a consequence, I cannot respond to anything. I had this exact same thing happen to me a year or so ago on the Redskins message board site. They had a very good board with some very good commentary (their draft stuff was superb). I used to enjoy keeping a pulse on that team and on rare occasions I would interject with some comments of my own. Not often. I would hardly consider myself an active participant on their board. But every now and then, yes. But as I said, that very same issue hit me a year or so ago and I could not make any replies. This wasn't a huge, huge deal but it was annoying. I was comforted however in knowing that OUR site still worked for me.

Until yesterday. 

Oh sure, I can still read pages and pages of comments but I simply cannot reply, which takes the fun out of everything. And as I've said, I've used this site (in various forms of course) for a couple decades now. It has become part of my daily life. But I'm screwed. Yes, I may be able to -- as I'm doing know -- find an alternate computer that works for me. But this is not something that is convenient. In fact I would consider it inconvenient. 

So I really don't know what to do. I have tried in vain in the past to find a workaround to this problem but I've never been able to solve it.

I guess I always knew this was inevitable. I supposed that improvements to websites can have disastrous side effects. I am that side effect. And it sucks.

I will give you my cell number and you can just text me your posts which I will make for a mere $0.10 a word.  

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think it's fair to give Hurts some of the blame, but to blame him for 100% of it I think is going too far. We see the plays every week. Too many times is no one open. They have AJ freaking Brown and Devonta Smith as their WRs. And Goedert at TE when he's healthy. Times this year we had WRs running into each other, 3 WRs all ending their routes within 2 yards of one another. That's coaching. And we see this same BS every week. Having WRs running into each other on routes is Fing embarrassing. Or designing plays where they all end up in the same area of the field. That can't happen.

crap, we saw this yesterday. After disaster plays they would show the other angles. Sure on some plays guys were open and Hurts deserves blame for missing them. But every week I watch the other games and these teams scheme guys WIDE OPEN. Not AJ Brown is open for 0.5 seconds on a slant open. Scheming it where guys don't have a DB within 10 yards of them. That rarely happens in this offense. Plays like the mesh play vs the Saints where they scheme Goedert wide open. I see the Lions, Rams, Vikings, Ravens, Chiefs, Bills, etc get guys open like that several times per game.

So where is it in this offense? You can't absolve the coaching for this. They all deserve blame.

True. 

In many ways, the passing game is a game of trust.  Trusting the coaches to scheme guys open, trusting the OL to protect and trusting WRs to make the catch when the ball comes their way.  The first two have been inconsistent to say the least.  The passing weapons have been in and out of the line up.

All three have to be working.  The coaches have to scheme guys open, the OL has to be consistent in protection and the weapons have be on the field.  

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Other teams don't have to have their offenses dumbed down because the QB can't understand something more complex

You have no idea if, and to what degree the Eagles are dumbing down their offense or to the degree other teams are.

29 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I had low confidence too, but it was definitely doable.  

I had my doubts as well but was thinking maybe he could do it and turn a corner.

7 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

He’s been extremely risk averse during the winning streak. Running more, taking more sacks, throwaways, passing up throws he’s not 100% sure about. I don’t think he has an adaptive setting haha - he’s either playing free or he’s protecting the ball, one or the other.

I think this is the mental block more than anything else.  I would have to think some of it is coaching but some of it is him playing to his worst instincts.  He needs a sports psychologist almost.  It's not that he can't make reads.  He just doesn't trust what he sees and/or trust himself to make the throw.  

17 minutes ago, xBMTx said:

 

Receivers are schemed open. Hurts just doesn't deliver it. All he had to do here is remain calm and step up in the pocket with his head up here. Instead he just tucks it and panic, like he does multiple times every game.

Yeah Idk that is the best play to criticize.  The WRs ran into each other at the start of the play.  By the time they are open, the protection has broken down and Hurts is running for his life.  Now, if he had a protection then I understand the criticism.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I had my doubts as well but was thinking maybe he could do it and turn a corner.

That was my hope when I thought Leggette made the catch.   Eagles got lucky he dropped that though.  Its a very different day today if he makes that catch.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

For those of you at the game, how much grumbling about Hurts did you hear in the stadium? I know there was plenty of it in week 2 at the Falcons game. I imagine by now its getting even louder. 

There was a lot on the play that was posted with AJ breaking open on the deep corner release. As I watched that play it looked like Jalen was looking for AJ but got impatient and came off the read and hit the check down. If he would have stuck with it a half second longer he would have thrown it. (Of course the one time he doesn’t hold the ball for too long)
 

Other times some people voicing why aren’t we hitting AJ more. 

But overall I think the frustrations were perceived bad playcalling, and then secondary to that Hurts’ performance. 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I will give you my cell number and you can just text me your posts which I will make for a mere $0.10 a word.  

You sound like a true lawyer.   

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

Yeah Idk that is the best play to criticize.  The WRs ran into each other at the start of the play.  By the time they are open, the protection has broken down and Hurts is running for his life.  Now, if he had a protection then I understand the criticism.

He still had time to make a throw. Hurts tucking the ball and running at a hint of pressure made it worse.

7 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

True. 

In many ways, the passing game is a game of trust.  Trusting the coaches to scheme guys open, trusting the OL to protect and trusting WRs to make the catch when the ball comes their way.  The first two have been inconsistent to say the least.  The passing weapons have been in and out of the line up.

All three have to be working.  The coaches have to scheme guys open, the OL has to be consistent in protection and the weapons have be on the field.  

The OL has been inconsistent with protection?  "To say the least"?

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

The OL has been inconsistent with protection?  "To say the least"?

Yeah, that's a bad take

Some thoughts after an annoyingly stressful day, but not overly surprising given Carolina has been playing better and this really was a classic trap game. I was having horrible flashbacks to the end of the Atlanta game right until the end. Honestly, this felt like the Bears game in 2022. Carolina caught a ton of breaks in this game...

OFFENSE

- This was a C- game form Hurts, and the grade is saved from being worse because he made a few monster plays to offset the majority of his play. The 3rd down conversion to DeVonta on the first TD drive when he broke the pocket was encouraging, and the TD throw to DeVonta was great. The TD to Grant was impressive as he clearly wasn't the first read, and he had a couple huge conversions with his legs along with a big 3rd and long conversion to AJ on the last drive. But the rest? That was Jalen's worst game of the year -- in Tampa, he didn't have AJ or DeVonta. He missed open guys, and it feels like it's so ingrained in his head not to risk turnovers that he won't cut it loose. Since the INT against Dallas on Diggs' making a great play, it feels like the downfield passing has been non-existent. Before that, we were running the ball and throwing it down the field with a high YPA. Since then, Jalen's YPA have dropped and he isn't taking shots. I was hoping that was mainly the lack of DeVonta, but this wasn't encouraging. Coaches need to tell him to let it rip more -- plays are there. 

- Sometimes QB rating is deceiving. 110.8 for Hurts, but it wasn't a good game.

- There's not much left to say about Barkley. 20 carries, 124 yards, 6.2 average, and it didn't feel that special even. Felt like the whole team just kept waiting for him to break one.

- The most disappointing sequence of the game for me was the last offensive drive. We get the ball back on our 28 with 8:35 left after the D gets a huge 4th down stop. After a couple quick 1st downs get us to the 50, we decide to run an RPO on 1st down and Jalen takes a dumb sack to get us into 2nd and 19. But then he converts 3rd and 13 with a strike to AJ, and I thought that was it -- we were gonna run it down, score and end the game. But instead we take a boneheaded delay of game, and the refs miss a facemask, and we can't trust our kicker...and my heart rate went back up. You have to finish that drive.

- The offensive line, I though, had one of its worst pass blocking games, especially Cam and Mekhi. The run blocking was amazing per usual.

DEFENSE

- The defensive line dominated the game yet couldn't finish. I have to think we had like 12-15 pressures, but only one sack. Sweat HAS to make that play in the end zone for the safety on the last drive. Feels like smaller, mobile QBs (Kyler, Baker) always give us fits. Bryce was escaping and extending way too much. Seems some of the rush lanes were undisciplined.

- Jalen Carter is the best defensive lineman in the game. Imagine if they didn't allow him to be held on every play.

- Baun in the best ILB in the game. And this wasn't his best game.

- Felt like there were a lot more missed tackles this game, from both the line and the secondary. 

- Brutal luck on the tipped pass for a 4th down conversion that ends up in a Panthers TD. 

- Cooper got taken to school somewhat by a savvy vet. Hopefully he learns from it. Slay made a great play to end the game and baited Young into the throw.

SPECIAL TEAMS

- We aren't cutting him, but Jake is becoming a problem.

- CJGJ really has stepped up his play the last few weeks.

- Did they ever throw at Q? He's basically shutting down a side of the field at this point.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

The OL has been inconsistent with protection?  "To say the least"?

Yes. They haven't been good in pass protection.  Free rushers coming up the A gap is not being consistent.  The communication especially between OG and C has not been what it should be.  We see it multiple times a game.  

It's never Hurts fault

25 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

True. 

In many ways, the passing game is a game of trust.  Trusting the coaches to scheme guys open, trusting the OL to protect and trusting WRs to make the catch when the ball comes their way.  The first two have been inconsistent to say the least.  The passing weapons have been in and out of the line up.

All three have to be working.  The coaches have to scheme guys open, the OL has to be consistent in protection and the weapons have be on the field.  

How many excuses are people going to make for him? Things aren't perfect for the top QBs in the league either. They don't have weapons close to Hurts, OCs aren't perfect, they don't all have OL like his, or RB to lean on, but still make it work.

The guy can't see the field and make decisions well. It's hard to know how much blame is on the OC until he can start doing basic things.

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, that's a bad take

So when the OGs and Jergens let free rushers come up the middle that is good protection?? 

https://www.panthers.com/video/josey-jewell-s-blitzing-sack-of-jalen-hurts-goes-for-an-8-yard-loss-wek-14-2024

https://www.panthers.com/video/a-shawn-robinson-puts-the-eagles-behind-the-chains-on-an-8-yard-sack-of-hurts

 

I see it on eagles facebook groups a lot. Can't criticize Hurts while we're winning. He's got such and such rating and hasn't turned the ball over. He didn't have Brown and Smith throughout the year. Oline isn't protecting. Receivers aren't getting open

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

How many excuses are people going to make for him? Things aren't perfect for the top QBs in the league either. They don't have weapons close to Hurts, OCs aren't perfect, and they don't all have OL like his, or  RB to lean on, but still make it work.

The guy can't see the field and make decisions well. 

I don’t think anyone is making excuses. He’s definitely missing open receivers. It’s like every read is processed just a half second slower for him than it should be. 
 

Just as big of a frustration for me is why is he running the ball these days like he’s wearing a skirt and high heels? His run threat opens up a lot for this offense but he’s sliding when defenders are still 5yds away from him. If you’re gonna pull it and run, take your nuts out of your purse, put them on, and F’in run the ball!

Sorry, rant over. 

10 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Yes. They haven't been good in pass protection.  Free rushers coming up the A gap is not being consistent.  The communication especially between OG and C has not been what it should be.  We see it multiple times a game.  

So you can see below, the pressure you are talking about was showing up in 3+ seconds, on average.  The ball should be out by then.

Second, don't expect perfection.  The other guys are trying as well.

Third, Hurts is calling the protection checks at the LOS this season.  He decides where extra rushers may be and adjusts accordingly.

Fourth, any professional football analyst will tell you the Eagles provide some to the best pockets in the league.

1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

So when the OGs and Jergens let free rushers come up the middle that is good protection?? 

https://www.panthers.com/video/josey-jewell-s-blitzing-sack-of-jalen-hurts-goes-for-an-8-yard-loss-wek-14-2024

https://www.panthers.com/video/a-shawn-robinson-puts-the-eagles-behind-the-chains-on-an-8-yard-sack-of-hurts

 

It's a bad take. Name a good QB in the league who doesn't have to deal with pressure on a few plays. He has one of the absolute best lines in the NFL. What he doesn't have is one of the best minds of QBs.