23 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Lol my ass. As of now the Rams, Lions, Vikings, Bucs, and Packers, and Cowboys when Dak is healthy have better QBs.

AFC the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, Dolphins, Chargers, and Ravens do. I'd still take CJ over him and Daniels seems better as well. 

 

Some would take Hurts over Stafford (at his current age) and possibly Goff who’s bottom is 5 interceptions in one game (yes that’s happened)

 There’s a reason Darnold has been a journeyman throughout his career. 

Dak Prescott? 10+ win seasons and one and done in the playoffs.  

 

Love is still young and a work in progress but as up and down as he has been, he makes Hurts look consistent.   He would have been ripped by most Philly fans because he’s hot and cold  - much more than even Hurts is 

Mayfield has played really well over the course of the last two seasons but I don’t think most would take him over Hurts.
 

Daniels - the kid looks good but too early to tell.

 

The AFC is another story and Mahomes, Allen, Jackson are special talents.   Burrow and Herbert are just below them. 
 

As far as Stroud goes - like Daniels, too early to tell.

 

So at best you have 5 QB’s you would take over Hurts at this point and another 2-3 "maybes”   That would place Hurts in the top 10.

 

 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Then you don't know what a false dilemma is.

I understand what it means but it doesn’t make sense in this context. 

Can you explain how you mean it? 

6 hours ago, just relax said:

Alone.This season. What you meant. Not what you said, of course. My bad for thinking you meant what you said.

Pretty obvious what I meant.

Sorry that's too "next level" for you

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I understand what it means but it doesn’t make sense in this context. 

Can you explain how you mean it? 

Exactly as the textbook defines it.  You presented only two extreme options as the only ones that exist.  It's not true.

 

You don't have to be happy with the current play of Hurts or be happy with great passing stats without winning.  In fact, I would challenge you to find a single qb in the history of the league with 5000 yards passing and 40 Tds that ever won only 3 or 4 games.  Qbs that do that generally end up in the playoffs, and are often in the MVP conversation.

 

It is a fair assessment to say that Hurts current level of play (over the last 2 games, primarily) isn't good enough.  And it's not a hater thing to say.  Some of the guys he's playing with are frustrated, too.  He's not playing awful, but he's not playing well enough.  The current offensive Achilles heel is when they are forced to pass the ball to come back.  So far this year, they haven't found themselves in that situation very often.  It's only happened twice so far... the very end of the Atlanta game, which ended with an INT, and the Bucs game.  Every other game they were able to continue to lean on the running game to dig them out of trouble. For example, the New Orleans game, where they found themselves trailing, but got the big run from Barkley to take the lead.  Even against Baltimore, they were down 2 scores early, but stuck with the run and got the W because they were able to punch out Tds rather than FGs and the defense didn't let Baltimore continue to score.

Right now, the team is getting by with a really strong defense keeping the games close at all times to allow the running game to carry them.  But if they got into a shoot out like the Bills Rams game the other night, you honestly can't say that based on what we've seen recently that this team could keep pace in a game like that.  It would be extremely out of character for this team.

There are only 2 games right? You've really lost yourself if you think you need over 20 people for 2 games. 

 

 

4 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

None of them do - zero

Whats the qb sneak success rate?

26 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There are only 2 games right? You've really lost yourself if you think you need over 20 people for 2 games. 

 

 

Thats horrible

cant we just have Adams and Kimes cover it and make out at halftime??

22 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Whats the qb sneak success rate?

Im pretty certain Brady was at or maybe even over 90% on 3rd or 4th and 1

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Pretty obvious what I meant.

Sorry that's too "next level" for you

True enough. I'm trapped in a world where language means what it says, on any level, including the next one.

42 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

You don't have to be happy with the current play of Hurts or be happy with great passing stats without winning.  In fact, I would challenge you to find a single qb in the history of the league with 5000 yards passing and 40 Tds that ever won only 3 or 4 games.  Qbs that do that generally end up in the playoffs, and are often in the MVP conversation.

 

 

It's not exact to what you're saying but in 2012 the top 3 QB's in passing yardage all threw for over 4900 yards (Brees threw for 5100) and none of them had a winning record. Adrian Peterson won MVP, the last time an RB won.

Russell Wilson never broke 3500 yards his first 3 years and the Seahawks won 36 regular season games over that span and went to the Superbowl twice winning one. Since then he's thrown for 4000+ 4 times and 30+ TD's 5 times and hasn't been back to the big dance once.

It's almost like there's always more to it than gaudy QB numbers.

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

There are only 2 games right? You've really lost yourself if you think you need over 20 people for 2 games. 

 

 

and no Kelce of any kind?  WTF....

3 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

It's not exact to what you're saying but in 2012 the top 3 QB's in passing yardage all threw for over 4900 yards (Brees threw for 5100) and none of them had a winning record. Adrian Peterson won MVP, the last time an RB won.

Russell Wilson never broke 3500 yards his first 3 years and the Seahawks won 36 regular season games over that span and went to the Superbowl twice winning one. Since then he's thrown for 4000+ 4 times and 30+ TD's 5 times and hasn't been back to the big dance once.

It's almost like there's always more to it than gaudy QB numbers.

Hurts is what he is.  We can obviously win with him.  He's a running QB who can pass a little.  We have to get him involved in the running attack to loosen up the defense for Barkley and the passing game.  He is obviously not a pocket passer.  If Moore continues to run the offense as if he is that we will continue to struggle.  I think you can mix in some pocket plays here and there but that can't be the main strategy and definitely not on first down.  I would like to see some AJ brown runs as well, use him like the 49ers use deebo.  that could get him some touches within this scheme and keep him content maybe.  

1 minute ago, DieselEagle said:

Hurts is what he is.  We can obviously win with him.  He's a running QB who can pass a little.  We have to get him involved in the running attack to loosen up the defense for Barkley and the passing game.  He is obviously not a pocket passer.  If Moore continues to run the offense as if he is that we will continue to struggle.  I think you can mix in some pocket plays here and there but that can't be the main strategy and definitely not on first down.  I would like to see some AJ brown runs as well, use him like the 49ers use deebo.  that could get him some touches within this scheme and keep him content maybe.  

I think he's just had a couple of rough games, the fact is Sunday was far and away the worst offensive game since the bye week. I'm not overly concerned, because it isn't the same as last year, most of the games haven't been close, even the Ravens were flattered by a garbage time TD.  It's the same faces in here making the same arguments every time a sub par performance happens.

23 minutes ago, just relax said:

True enough. I'm trapped in a world where language means what it says, on any level, including the next one.

So if I were to say to you:

"The average family has seen an increase in costs this year alone"

You couldn't deduce that I was talking about that specific year?

I'll do you one better. I'll even Google it for you.

Either you're truly not capable of understanding or you're being intentionally obtuse. Either way, I think we're done here.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Thats horrible

cant we just have Adams and Kimes cover it and make out at halftime??

I'll take Collins and Rutledge

5 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Some would take Hurts over Stafford (at his current age) and possibly Goff who’s bottom is 5 interceptions in one game (yes that’s happened)

 There’s a reason Darnold has been a journeyman throughout his career. 

Dak Prescott? 10+ win seasons and one and done in the playoffs.  

 

Love is still young and a work in progress but as up and down as he has been, he makes Hurts look consistent.   He would have been ripped by most Philly fans because he’s hot and cold  - much more than even Hurts is 

Mayfield has played really well over the course of the last two seasons but I don’t think most would take him over Hurts.
 

Daniels - the kid looks good but too early to tell.

 

The AFC is another story and Mahomes, Allen, Jackson are special talents.   Burrow and Herbert are just below them. 
 

As far as Stroud goes - like Daniels, too early to tell.

 

So at best you have 5 QB’s you would take over Hurts at this point and another 2-3 "maybes”   That would place Hurts in the top 10.

 

 

 

 

 

I'd take everyone you mentioned over qb1. Only qbs I would pass on would be Darnold and Daniels

9 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

One of the last people I want to hear comment on that. Rodgers is a turd

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

There are only 2 games right? You've really lost yourself if you think you need over 20 people for 2 games. 

 

 

Remove all the men from the lineup and I think the number is just right.

6 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Pretty sure that was just @eagle45 lol

Yup.  No point in having a teenager drive a Lamborghini.  But it’s more Smith than Brown that adds less to the offense under the circumstances.  

would you rather have Devonta Smith in an offense that doesn’t throw the ball or Bechton and Milton Williams?

14 hours ago, hukdonfoniks said:

Favre was getting sacked on that play no matter what.  By the time he turns around, Strahan is already in his face and he's got nowhere to go. 

Gastineau's gotta go ahead and move on with his life

 

I've heard you're an expert on sacks bearing down on your face.  YOUR FACE!

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

So if I were to say to you:

"The average family has seen an increase in costs this year alone"

You couldn't deduce that I was talking about that specific year?

I'll do you one better. I'll even Google it for you.

Either you're truly not capable of understanding or you're being intentionally obtuse. Either way, I think we're done here.

Alone modifies who in your original post. Grammar 1.

10 hours ago, NOTW said:

Wins should be a team stat, but both QBs and Head Coaches get judged for their W/L record across the league. They don't do that with other positions unless something significant, like a losing record when a player is hurt like Lane Johnson.

Constantly diminishing Hurts wins is obvious bias, because if he had a losing record it would absolutely be used against him constantly.

Both extremes of Hurts' arguments twist stats to their ageand bias instead of being realistic and logical.

When people say 'Wins aren't a QB Stat', I'm like since when?  All QB's are judged off if their winning or losing.    Same with Coaches.   If Jalen had a terrible record, fans would be ready to run him out of town and replace him.   Remember in 2021 and Eagles started 2-5? People were questioning if Jalen was the right choice or not.  Yet somehow in his 4 years starting, he's had one of the best winning runs in Eagles History. 4 Straight playoff berths, soon to be two Division Titles (Should have been 3 in row). 

This is up there with the Donovan/Andy years as far as consistently having winning seasons.   He's already surpassed Regular Season win totals of Vick, Foles and Carson. He's also surpassed playoff  win totals of Vick and Carson.   Only Donovan, Jaws and Randall has won more games in an Eagles jersey then Jalen in the Super Bowl Era.  He's already in historic company in this franchise.  Oh yeah, he went to the Bowl in his 3rd year with with us which was faster than Donovan and Jaws who made it later.  The Team is doing historical things never done in Eagles history and winning and he shouldn't get credit being the QB?