10 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Yeah, that's the Jump the Shark moment in TATE's Hurts derangement syndrome.

I'll say a couple things on this... First, I think Carr has been underrated by fans for a while. Not sure if it's because he was stuck on garbage teams for so long, or guilt by association with his brother, or maybe as some overreaction to that one weird poster on the old emb who would post about him non-stop because he thought he was better than Foles, but Carr has never been what I would call a bad QB. He's pretty much a decent middle of the pack kind of guy that can mix in some pretty damn good games with a lot of solid ones and a few bad ones (that all QBs have.) 

Not sure I'd personally put him head and shoulders above Hurts, but it's not some crazy out of this world notion either if you prefer that style of QB play. 

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t want to open a can of worms here given the state of the current team, but I guess I’m in the minority because I don’t see what’s so likable about him. I feel like the majority like him because "he just wins” or some other arbitrary reason. 

I mean likable in terms of a guy I want as a QB.  Does he have professional characteristics of a QB.  Not saying he’s perfect, but I wouldn’t exactly call Aaron Rodgers a ‘leader of men’.  

Is he on my top 10 list of celebrities I’d like to sit down and have a beer with?  No…but I don’t need him to be and I didn’t mean it that way

Yes, he has clichés that get old… But all players and coaches do

 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

The best way to defeat the pass rush is run the rock

Not sure I fully agree. Yes, a strong run game will force gap discipline in defenders and give rushers pause for driving too far upfield, but it also eventually leads to stacked boxes as a response from a DC who's tired of being gashed by a RB. And the only way you can lighten up a stacked box is to throw over top or outside of it. 

So I'd say slants, screens, and draws are a better tool to counteract and punish an overzealous pass rush.

Interesting chart.  Will watch the All22 with this.  Look at the MM with Coop and Q and all the MOD with Q.  Suspect I will see a fair amount of MM and MOD with Slay too.  Last year, Slay played a fair amount of MEG.  With Q there is no need for MEG this year.  I suspect that will continue when Slay retires.  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Good, with almost 30 touches last game, nobody deserves it more than him.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Good, with almost 30 touches last game, nobody deserves it more than him.

He’s got a smart agent too, both for him personally and the locker room vibes. 

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t want to open a can of worms here given the state of the current team, but I guess I’m in the minority because I don’t see what’s so likable about him. I feel like the majority like him because "he just wins” or some other arbitrary reason. 

Not likable?   I just don’t see it.   He comes across as very mature and as a leader.  Very inclusive.  Donating $5,000 per TD towards air conditioning Philly schools.   Paid off a cancer victim fan’s medical bills.   But that’s kind of quiet and in the background.   Thing that really stands out to me is how so many of these players are so charity driven.  I think Lurie enables and encourages a lot of that and always has.   From team building through playground builds up.  As a person, I haven’t seen anything from Hurts to suggest he is not likable.   He does seem to have the locker room.  

19 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'll say a couple things on this... First, I think Carr has been underrated by fans for a while. Not sure if it's because he was stuck on garbage teams for so long, or guilt by association with his brother, or maybe as some overreaction to that one weird poster on the old emb who would post about him non-stop because he thought he was better than Foles, but Carr has never been what I would call a bad QB. He's pretty much a decent middle of the pack kind of guy that can mix in some pretty damn good games with a lot of solid ones and a few bad ones (that all QBs have.) 

Not sure I'd personally put him head and shoulders above Hurts, but it's not some crazy out of this world notion either if you prefer that style of QB play. 

Him and his brother i feel bad for, they were stuck on some bad and dysfunctional teams.  He is by no means great, but he was a pretty good QB IMO.

21 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'll say a couple things on this... First, I think Carr has been underrated by fans for a while. Not sure if it's because he was stuck on garbage teams for so long, or guilt by association with his brother, or maybe as some overreaction to that one weird poster on the old emb who would post about him non-stop because he thought he was better than Foles, but Carr has never been what I would call a bad QB. He's pretty much a decent middle of the pack kind of guy that can mix in some pretty damn good games with a lot of solid ones and a few bad ones (that all QBs have.) 

Not sure I'd personally put him head and shoulders above Hurts, but it's not some crazy out of this world notion either if you prefer that style of QB play. 

Way too many WTF plays is what downplays Carr.

14 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Interesting chart.  Will watch the All22 with this.  Look at the MM with Coop and Q and all the MOD with Q.  Suspect I will see a fair amount of MM and MOD with Slay too.  Last year, Slay played a fair amount of MEG.  With Q there is no need for MEG this year.  I suspect that will continue when Slay retires.  

MM is now short for Matvei Michkov in my world.  I've adapted it so quickly my first thought was how crafty to be comparing the rookies.

Fun times in Philly with Q, Coop, MM, and Jared McCain all converging on the scene simultaneously.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Not likable?   I just don’t see it.   He comes across as very mature and as a leader.  Very inclusive.  Donating $5,000 per TD towards air conditioning Philly schools.   Paid off a cancer victim fan’s medical bills.   But that’s kind of quiet and in the background.   Thing that really stands out to me is how so many of these players are so charity driven.  I think Lurie enables and encourages a lot of that and always has.   From team building through playground builds up.  As a person, I haven’t seen anything from Hurts to suggest he is not likable.   He does seem to have the locker room.  

Agreed… And whether or not fans like a QB or not is irrelevant. When it comes to likability, I was talking about other teammates..  Rogers clearly has people that don’t like him.  Wentz did too.  There are a lot of QBs that play don’t care for.

8 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I mean likable in terms of a guy I want as a QB.  Does he have professional characteristics of a QB.  Not saying he’s perfect, but I wouldn’t exactly call Aaron Rodgers a ‘leader of men’.  

Is he on my top 10 list of celebrities I’d like to sit down and have a beer with?  No…but I don’t need him to be and I didn’t mean it that way

Yes, he has clichés that get old… But all players and coaches do

Fair enough. I don’t think his personality is a detriment to the team. But I don’t think it’s likable. 

18 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not sure I fully agree. Yes, a strong run game will force gap discipline in defenders and give rushers pause for driving too far upfield, but it also eventually leads to stacked boxes as a response from a DC who's tired of being gashed by a RB. And the only way you can lighten up a stacked box is to throw over top or outside of it. 

So I'd say slants, screens, and draws are a better tool to counteract and punish an overzealous pass rush.

You just made my point.  Run to develop the pass.   A stacked box with hesitant rushers opens us the pass.  Deep passes open up the run.  Problem with slants against a stacked box is the LBs and Ss are right there.  Let’s face it, the Eagles have not been very good at screens under Nick.  

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

You just made my point.  Run to develop the pass.   A stacked box with hesitant rushers opens us the pass.  Deep passes open up the run.  Problem with slants against a stacked box is the LBs and Ss are right there.  Let’s face it, the Eagles have not been very good at screens under Nick.  

Which is a big problem. It's an invaluable tool that every offense should have at their disposal. Last year we couldn't beat a blitz to save our lives and when you're facing stacked boxes, any blitz means free rushers are gonna get there in a hurry. This year we've been much better, gotta imagine Moore had something to do with that. 

28 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Way too many WTF plays is what downplays Carr.

Honestly the same can be said for 90% of QB’s.  

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

The team level accomplishments in Hurts’ tenure are very good.  Wins.  SB appearance.  Playoffs.  Rushing TDs.

But the issue remains that the starting QB is a more or less average passer.  

 

Average passer.  He's 7th in passer rating, 6th in completion percentage (5th if you factor out Tua who has only played 5 games), 4th in YPA (3rd if you factor out Russell Wilson who has only started 3 games), 8th in QBR and among QBs who have started at least 9 games he is tied for 5th fewest interceptions.  He also has possibly the best deep ball in the league.  

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Honestly the same can be said for 90% of QB’s.  

Right, and back to the original point, isn't that the main issue with Hurts too? Not protecting the ball and taking unnecessary sacks. Without the WTF plays, I don't think Hurts would have nearly as many critics either.

36 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Not likable?   I just don’t see it.   He comes across as very mature and as a leader.  Very inclusive.  Donating $5,000 per TD towards air conditioning Philly schools.   Paid off a cancer victim fan’s medical bills.   But that’s kind of quiet and in the background.   Thing that really stands out to me is how so many of these players are so charity driven.  I think Lurie enables and encourages a lot of that and always has.   From team building through playground builds up.  As a person, I haven’t seen anything from Hurts to suggest he is not likable.   He does seem to have the locker room.  

As a human he seems top notch, but when the camera is on honestly he seems to have zero personality.  Just a lot of blank stares, cliche statements and mumbling.  You see him get amped sometimes in pre game huddles and once or so a game after a big run.  Even on the sideline his interaction with others seems limited.  Either way the troops seem to rally around him, so he’s doing something right.

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Tyler Warren is a draft crush but I'm realizing he's working his way in to the top half of the 1st round right now.

TEs drop in the draft. TE is easily a spot we can upgrade...

48 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Not likable?   I just don’t see it.   He comes across as very mature and as a leader.  Very inclusive.  Donating $5,000 per TD towards air conditioning Philly schools.   Paid off a cancer victim fan’s medical bills.   But that’s kind of quiet and in the background.   Thing that really stands out to me is how so many of these players are so charity driven.  I think Lurie enables and encourages a lot of that and always has.   From team building through playground builds up.  As a person, I haven’t seen anything from Hurts to suggest he is not likable.   He does seem to have the locker room.  

I find him more often than not to come off as either passive aggressive or fake. When he’s not that he’s shoehorning in cliches or weird preplanned quotes instead of just being real and answering a question. The most likable he’s been was after the NFCCG with his terrible rendition of the Eagles fight song. It was one of the rare times you could see how he was as an actual person instead of his usual cryptic PR robot self. 

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

Your first paragraph:  completely agree

second:  I think it is worth it when you couple it with his work ethic and leadership.  I realize you don’t think he’s likable, but you’re just simply in the small minority on that.  And it’s also rather obvious that your opinion on his likability is biased by your opinion of him as a QB.  Human nature and all that

And lastly, it’s sort of pointless to have these hypothetical conversations anyway.  Not every team is going to get the Mahomes or Allen arm talent, and many times when a team does get that Uber-talented arm, it comes with other traits/characteristics that are far less desirable.  The sum of everything Hurts is is so much better than average.  Far too many people suffer from ‘the grass is greener over there’ disease.

Regarding your bolded point, I agree 100%.  There is a pattern to when/how those hypothetical conversations come up ... @RememberTheKoy makes one of his polarity statements about Hurts.

1 hour ago, Fhalbig22 said:

Gotta love a stress free Sunday of football. I will however be rooting for the Steelers to lose in embarrassing fashion. I hate them and their fan base almost as much as the cowboys. 

I have Baltimore family and Pittsburgh family, so I remain scrupulously neutral today ... especially since our Birds play them both in a few weeks.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I find him more often than not to come off as either passive aggressive or fake. When he’s not that he’s shoehorning in cliches or weird preplanned quotes instead of just being real and answering a question. The most likable he’s been was after the NFCCG with his terrible rendition of the Eagles fight song. It was one of the rare times you could see how he was as an actual person instead of his usual cryptic PR robot self. 

How many corporate CEOs are "actual persons?"  How many national politicians are "actual persons?" How many Hollywood stars are "actual persons?" I think you are expecting something that isn't compatible with the focus and drive that it takes to get to the level of success that he has achieved.

30 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Average passer.  He's 7th in passer rating, 6th in completion percentage (5th if you factor out Tua who has only played 5 games), 4th in YPA (3rd if you factor out Russell Wilson who has only started 3 games), 8th in QBR and among QBs who have started at least 9 games he is tied for 5th fewest interceptions.  He also has possibly the best deep ball in the league.  

Once again you are only looking at one side of the equation ... the Hurts side.  You conveniently ignore the AJ, Devonta, Goedert, Barkley side.  Case in point, the checkdown he threw to Barkley Thursday did wonders for every one of your listed stats, but it was Barkley who produced those results, not Hurts.  With that said, Barkley's game ending non-reception in Week 2 harmed all of your listed stats.

Why don't you stop trying to be a crusader, and simply sit back and enjoy the high level of play of Hurts and the 10 players around him?  I guarantee you your blood presure will go down.