Every time I see a new big board I'm thrilled that we're not bad this year. Terrible year to have a top 10 pick. Feels like 2023ish.

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

If you put a blind fold on Hurts, his vision would not get any worse. That is one of many reasons why he stinks. 

This is the polar opposite to @RememberTheKoy.  Hurts neither stinks, nor is the second coming of the Messiah.  He's a better than average QB with the biases of the evaluator affecting whether he is considerably better than average, or just average, but his penduluum swings around a center point of better than average.

JMO

33 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Average passer.  He's 7th in passer rating, 6th in completion percentage (5th if you factor out Tua who has only played 5 games), 4th in YPA (3rd if you factor out Russell Wilson who has only started 3 games), 8th in QBR and among QBs who have started at least 9 games he is tied for 5th fewest interceptions.  He also has possibly the best deep ball in the league.  

That's when the ball leaves his hand.

IMO, "passer" includes making reads, making decisions, and managing the pocket.  He is average at those facets of the QB position.  He makes up for much of that with his ability to scramble and create out of structure.

You had earlier said that Hurts will eventually become the best QB in this franchise's history.  Well the current dude, McNabb, despite the career numbers had obvious faults.

My two cents....you would have a ton more credibility here if you would acknowledge that Hurts has a few faults of his own.  It doesn't mean he can't be great.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

This is the polar opposite to @RememberTheKoy.  Hurts neither stinks, nor is the second coming of the Messiah.  He's a better than average QB with the biases of the evaluator affecting whether he is considerably better than average, or just average, but his penduluum swings around a center point of better than average.

JMO

Nice to have you around again, sir.

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

How many corporate CEOs are "actual persons?"  How many national politicians are "actual persons?" How many Hollywood stars are "actual persons?" I think you are expecting something that isn't compatible with the focus and drive that it takes to get to the level of success that he has achieved.

Hurts isn’t a CEO, politician or Hollywood star. He’s a guy that talks to the media 3 times a week and has been doing it for 5 years. And what he actually says has far less meaning and importance than any of those other things you mentioned. I’m not expecting anything, he has every right to be private or address the general fan base the way he wants to. But then he’ll just be unlikable like most CEO’s, politicians and Hollywood Stars. 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

This is the polar opposite to @RememberTheKoy.  Hurts neither stinks, nor is the second coming of the Messiah.  He's a better than average QB with the biases of the evaluator affecting whether he is considerably better than average, or just average, but his penduluum swings around a center point of better than average.

The variance is crazy. I still maintain Hurts is anywhere between the 7th and 13th best QB and that can vary on any given week. Sometimes, you get him vs. the Bengals where he played like a top 3 guy. Sometimes you get him vs. Washington in the first half where it's below average. 

Hurts' AAV is 9th in the NFL. He's paid to be in that range.

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

The variance is crazy. I still maintain Hurts is anywhere between the 7th and 13th best QB and that can vary on any given week. Sometimes, you get him vs. the Bengals where he played like a top 3 guy. Sometimes you get him vs. Washington in the first half where it's below average. 

Hurts' AAV is 9th in the NFL. He's paid to be in that range.

Good point.

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Well the current dude, McNabb, despite the career numbers had obvious faults.

I remember thinking it was a foregone conclusion that Wentz was gonna dethrone McNabb as the franchise's best QB. Just goes to show you that sustained production at the position is much more difficult than stacking up a couple good seasons and giving everyone false hope.

33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I find him more often than not to come off as either passive aggressive or fake. When he’s not that he’s shoehorning in cliches or weird preplanned quotes instead of just being real and answering a question. The most likable he’s been was after the NFCCG with his terrible rendition of the Eagles fight song. It was one of the rare times you could see how he was as an actual person instead of his usual cryptic PR robot self. 

You don't get in trouble if you stick to cliches and bland answers. Time's yours.

50 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

As a human he seems top notch, but when the camera is on honestly he seems to have zero personality.  Just a lot of blank stares, cliche statements and mumbling.  You see him get amped sometimes in pre game huddles and once or so a game after a big run.  Even on the sideline his interaction with others seems limited.  Either way the troops seem to rally around him, so he’s doing something right.

Most QBs aren’t interacting on the sidelines but rather have the coach in their ear planning for the next drive.  He’s great at handling the local press.  Keeps things generic with them.  All suggestions are that he is a solid leader and great teammate.  He is rather humble.  I like his pairing with Barkley, who also comes across as humble and likable.  Great work ethic in both of them.   

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

This is the polar opposite to @RememberTheKoy.  Hurts neither stinks, nor is the second coming of the Messiah.  He's a better than average QB with the biases of the evaluator affecting whether he is considerably better than average, or just average, but his penduluum swings around a center point of better than average.

JMO

He stinks in the sense that if he was just above average, we would be unstoppable on offense on nearly every drive. 

Just now, just relax said:

You don't get in trouble if you stick to cliches and bland answers. Time's yours.

Thoughts on Colston Loveland and Kenneth Grant as prospects? 

We won't get close to drafting Graham or Johnson. 

 

 

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Most QBs aren’t interacting on the sidelines but rather have the coach in their ear planning for the next drive.  He’s great at handling the local press.  Keeps things generic with them.  All suggestions are that he is a solid leader and great teammate.  He is rather humble.  I like his pairing with Barkley, who also comes across as humble and likable.  Great work ethic in both of them.   

I would add that they're both physically and mentally tough. It's hard to quantify that but it's easy to spot its absence. Wentz had everything but mental toughness,, for example.

Colleen Wolfe is such a dime.

26 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Once again you are only looking at one side of the equation ... the Hurts side.  You conveniently ignore the AJ, Devonta, Goedert, Barkley side.  Case in point, the checkdown he threw to Barkley Thursday did wonders for every one of your listed stats, but it was Barkley who produced those results, not Hurts.  With that said, Barkley's game ending non-reception in Week 2 harmed all of your listed stats.

Why don't you stop trying to be a crusader, and simply sit back and enjoy the high level of play of Hurts and the 10 players around him?  I guarantee you your blood presure will go down.

 

So we are now criticizing Hurts now for making the correct decision with the football to get it out to a guy who was able to make a big play after the catch?  The wild standard you irrational haters hold Hurts too is utterly ridiculous.  I'm so glad that you will all have to "suffer" through him spending a long career here and all the winning that accompanies that.  

21 minutes ago, mattwill said:

This is the polar opposite to @RememberTheKoy.  Hurts neither stinks, nor is the second coming of the Messiah.  He's a better than average QB with the biases of the evaluator affecting whether he is considerably better than average, or just average, but his penduluum swings around a center point of better than average.

JMO

 

Jalen Hurts is a top 5 QB in the league and the best QB in the NFC.  Oh yeah, and he only just turned 26 right before the season.

4 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Colleen Wolfe is such a dime.

And a Birds fan.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

 

Brandt is wrong about Barry, while he didn't get poached by his QB, he did get poached by Tommy Vardell a similar number of times.

4 hours ago, wussbasket said:

This is the main argument though. Is average passing solid enough when its complimented by his running ability?

QBs aren't pure pocket passers anymore. The times of Brady, Manning, Rivers, Brees are all gone. They were known for standing tall in the pocket, making quick decisions, and driving the ball. The NFL is different now. Todays top QBs are Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar. That is a hell of a lot more mobility there. Mahomes improvises and has lots of off platform throws you would never see Brady or Manning attempt. Allen is very aggressive when he runs and has a lot of the power that Hurts has. Lamar is one of the most exciting running QBs we've seen since Vick.

You can't ignore Hurts dual-threat potential, defenses have to account for it and it stresses them in multiple ways. The ability to convert crucial short-yardage, while ugly, is a huge advantage. This isn't a Rex Grossman or Trent Dilfer situation.

 

I'll be honest that I wish we did have the prototypical 6'6 pocket passer 

37 minutes ago, RLC said:

The variance is crazy. I still maintain Hurts is anywhere between the 7th and 13th best QB and that can vary on any given week. Sometimes, you get him vs. the Bengals where he played like a top 3 guy. Sometimes you get him vs. Washington in the first half where it's below average. 

Hurts' AAV is 9th in the NFL. He's paid to be in that range.

Which is historically not the way to win a title

3 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Which is historically not the way to win a title

Mahomes is 12th in AAV and Josh Allen is 14th. 

Rooting for the jags but their defense is so bad I’m pretty sure the lions are going for 50 today 

16 minutes ago, RLC said:

Thoughts on Colston Loveland and Kenneth Grant as prospects? 

We won't get close to drafting Graham or Johnson. 

Like them both a lot. (Duh!) Loveland is only 20. Will he come out? Grant will drop because Mazi looks like a bust and there will be inevitable comparisons.

No one wants to play the Patriots right now.  They are the most dangerous team in the league currently.