6 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Calcaterra can catch and it sure seemed like he improved as a blocker. 

On the move, yes.  In line, no.

On the topic of veteran CB depth discussed earlier, I saw that Rasul is an UFA.

Maybe take a Philly discount to get another ring. Will be 31 when the season starts.

4 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

On the topic of veteran CB depth discussed earlier, I saw that Rasul is an UFA.

Maybe take a Philly discount to get another ring. Will be 31 when the season starts.

I know he probably doesn't fit Fangio but notsalgia makes me like Asante Samuel Jr.  Has had health issues

 Mahomes statistics on the field are in that 10-14 range (2024)

Here is 2023.

• 14th in rating
• 15th in ANY/A
• 9th in completion %
• 15th in TD %
• 21st in low int %
• 19th in yards per attempt

Its not as bad as 2024, but its not close to elite. 

He did lead the league in GWD with 7 (in 2024). The last 4 before him were Tannehill, Old Ben, Cousins, and Geno. Its not exactly an elite roundtable.

 

I stand by reality on the field vs emojis and mean girl style weak-sauce gripes and straw men.

 

Burrow was elite by almost every measure this year. I said some of his sacks are on him or the scheme and he does not help the run game like Hurts does. Both can be true.

 

Burrow in 2024

• 3rd in passer rating
• 7th in ANY/A 
• 4th in completion %
• 4th in TD %
• 7th in low int %
• 12th in yards per attempt

Imagine if Hurts went into this SB like Mahomes, 1 for his last 21 on deep passes 20+ yards with the 1 being an interception or incompletion that the refs handed to his team on a 30/70 ball. Elite is not the word most of us would be using.

 

The discussion on Goedert isn't whether he is a bad player but its whether $14.25m (cash cost) of having him on roster can be better utilised elsewhere on the roster, say bringing back Becton + mid-level vet TE. No doubt in that scenerio you are lowering the talent at the TE spot but is that compensated by what you manage to do with that money.

Given age and injury history, I could understand the Eagles making the choice to go cheaper at the TE spot and dedicate some fo the resources to another spot on the roster. I could also see them bringing him back on a restructured deal but they will likely have to commit to more years in that case for an aging vet. Thats the trade-off.

4 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

The discussion on Goedert isn't whether he is a bad player but its whether $14.25m (cash cost) of having him on roster can be better utilised elsewhere on the roster, say bringing back Becton + mid-level vet TE. No doubt in that scenerio you are lowering the talent at the TE spot but is that compensated by what you manage to do with that money.

Given age and injury history, I could understand the Eagles making the choice to go cheaper at the TE spot and dedicate some fo the resources to another spot on the roster.  

Are we sure your cap math is right? Do we save $14 million by cutting him? 

Howie literally ended hard knocks.

24 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

On the topic of veteran CB depth discussed earlier, I saw that Rasul is an UFA.

Maybe take a Philly discount to get another ring. Will be 31 when the season starts.

This shouldn’t break the bank and maybe even a later signing could be a good call he has still been playing decent from what little I have seen of him.

19 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I know he probably doesn't fit Fangio but notsalgia makes me like Asante Samuel Jr.  Has had health issues

I like Samuel jr guess it depends on what players we lose I just think howie isnt going to make signings that will jeopardize comp picks. 

11 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Are we sure your cap math is right? Do we save $14 million by cutting him? 

Cash, not cap.

10 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Are we sure your cap math is right? Do we save $14 million by cutting him? 

Its complicated.

He has a 250k roster bonus, a 1.255 base and a 10 million? (12m?) option bonus due soon for 2025.

The 14.25 looks to be new money but the cap hit is spread out over the next 5 years.

If they don't pay him the 14.25 then that does not go on the cap over the next 5 but they only save about 4m for 2025 because of what is already on the cap?

@LeanMeanGM usually has the best breakdowns on this stuff.

13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Howie literally ended hard knocks.

And yet somehow that GM still has the same job.   Weird.

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Are we sure your cap math is right? Do we save $14 million by cutting him? 

Agaisnt this year's cap - no, you dont save $14m this year but you do over this year and next. That is the cash cost of him being on the roster. His current cap hits are 11.8m this year and 23.8m next year (for not being on the roster). If you cut him (pre June-1) which they wont do but easiest way to walk through this, he counts as $21.4m this year and nothing next year. So net 11.8+23.8-21.4 = $14.2m

Cap is a concept you have to stick but there is flexibility as you can shift dollars from one year to the next. In this example, if Howie knows he has $23.8m less on the books, he will structure contracts given out this year to have very lower numbers this year and higher number next year. In reality the conmparison wont be that extreme as if he is cut it'll be as a post Jun-1. Our issue will be who to use Jun-1 slots on as its beneficial to the cap this year if Bradberry is also one of those spots (along with Slay). But you only have 2 slots.

5 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Its complicated.

He has a 250k roster bonus, a 1.255 base and a 10 million? (12m?) option bonus due soon for 2025.

The 14.25 looks to be new money but the cap hit is spread out over the next 5 years.

If they don't pay him the 14.25 then that does not go on the cap over the next 5 but they only save about 4m for 2025 because of what is already on the cap?

@LeanMeanGM usually has the best breakdowns on this stuff.

My understanding is that the void years only help spread the singing bonus out so early cap hits are lower.

As his contract voids next year so the entire cap hits will be taken this year and next. So the cap hits are either $35.6m combined over 25/26 (if he is on the team this year) or $21.4m (if he is not on the team year).

The calculus Howie (like he did with Slay) is in the absence of restructure is paying Goedert $14m and having it hit the cap over the next two years worth him being on the roster this year, or can I allocate those $'s elsewhere. 

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

If there's in fact "Multiple Teams Interested in Trading For .... " you're not actually buying low, though.  He's already entering Year 3 of a 4-year rookie deal, so you lose much of the benefit of the rookie contract.

Your statement would be true if the Signing Bonus proration came over to the new team, but it doesn’t, so the new team only has to deal with the base salary.  In some rare cases there may be future roster bonuses that come to the new team, but that is seldom the case.

Bottom-line, the new team benefits from the rookie contract a whole lot.

2 hours ago, jojodancer said:

Right now. The TE in this offense is almost like Dotson at WR3. Underutilized. They won't see the ball much with playmakers such as Hurts, AJ, Devanta and Barkley with the ball in their hands. And it makes sense. Anyone who they get will be pretty wide open in this offense and why GC worked out just fine last year when filling in. But need to add there for sure.

That is why I like Hawes in the Draft so much.  Excellent blocker every snap and occasional receiver when called upon. Another smart Ivy Leaguer like Hunt.

2 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Its weird. Every time the Eagles line gives up instant pressure (way too often this year) its a Hurts character flaw for not overcoming it and being smarter. On the other hand Burrow gets blanket immunity because handwavy his line is terrible every year with little actual data behind it. He drops back 41 times a game which is a recipe for disaster in any given week, but its only the line's fault when he gets sacked.

Burrow had a 6.86 sack percentage this year. League average was 6.87. Hurts had a 9.52

A few differences are that Hurts is a monster in the run game and he runs 10 or 11 times a game. On top of the running, the fear of him running makes the Eagles run game work better. (This is true for Josh Allen, Lamar, Vick, Newton, and so on) Saquon was in NY when the Eagles 2022 run game was dominant. Hurts runs into more sacks than Burrow but he also breaks 30 yard runs from the pocket under pressure.

Burrow does not run often and he plays a deep drop, deep pass, style of play. He's going to get sacked more times.

I'm not saying he has a line as good as Philly. I'm saying his play style and his scheme/coaching lead to a bunch of those sacks.

Go look at the average time to throw for both then come back

1 hour ago, jamiller said:

6 fumbles (lucky bounces to only 1 lost)

Crazy good luck w the bounces.

With all the back and forth of this discussion, I have lost track of which player you guys are talking about.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Day 3 but id be happy to get him

I’m looking to be a bit more precise than Day … having a Round would be nice.

Which Big Board do you use?  Which one does George Zimmerman use?

1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

 Mahomes statistics on the field are in that 10-14 range (2024)

Here is 2023.

• 14th in rating
• 15th in ANY/A
• 9th in completion %
• 15th in TD %
• 21st in low int %
• 19th in yards per attempt

Its not as bad as 2024, but its not close to elite. 

He did lead the league in GWD with 7 (in 2024). The last 4 before him were Tannehill, Old Ben, Cousins, and Geno. Its not exactly an elite roundtable.

 

I stand by reality on the field vs emojis and mean girl style weak-sauce gripes and straw men.

 

Burrow was elite by almost every measure this year. I said some of his sacks are on him or the scheme and he does not help the run game like Hurts does. Both can be true.

 

Burrow in 2024

• 3rd in passer rating
• 7th in ANY/A 
• 4th in completion %
• 4th in TD %
• 7th in low int %
• 12th in yards per attempt

Imagine if Hurts went into this SB like Mahomes, 1 for his last 21 on deep passes 20+ yards with the 1 being an interception or incompletion that the refs handed to his team on a 30/70 ball. Elite is not the word most of us would be using.

 

Your hate of Mahomes and Burrow is astounding

Burrow and Mahomes had nowhere near the stacked roster that Hurts had in 2024

One led the league in passing yards on a crap team and the other had a down year throwing for almost 4k yards and more TDs than Hurts

You don't need to trash other QBs to praise Hurts BTW

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

That is why I like Hawes in the Draft so much.  Excellent blocker every snap and occasional receiver when called upon.

Goedert in line run blocking is a big part of their run game.

Cal isnt really that good in line, uzomah was brought into be that 2nd TE run blocker but hes old cant stay healthy and offers zero in the pass game.

So whoever they bring in would be helpful if he could run block 

Wonder how Vansumeran is in line?

Its really too bad he got hurt, I really liked his limited role in the offense 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Are we sure your cap math is right? Do we save $14 million by cutting him? 

No, the savings is not $14 million 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Are we sure your cap math is right? Do we save $14 million by cutting him? 

We don't cut him.  3 options: trade, extend to lower cap hit, plays out contract and becomes a FA.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

No, the savings is not $14 million 

They would be if you also include the impact to 2026 cap - this is looking at 2025 only.

Also weird OTC has different and mich higher dead cap numbers

Just now, kiwieagle said:

They would be if you also include the impact to 2026 cap - this is looking at 2025 only.

Also weird OTC has different and mich higher dead cap numbers

Look at the image again.  Bothe the Post June 1 scenarios have the 2026 Cap impact of $5.8 million.

6 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

They would be if you also include the impact to 2026 cap - this is looking at 2025 only.

Also weird OTC has different and mich higher dead cap numbers

It’s usually the option bonuses. Sometimes one site acts like they are paying it, one site will act like they don’t. I’d bet OTC is showing the impact of cutting him after paying his 2025 option bonus which doesn’t make any practical sense.