26 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Chase 4/161, Higgins 4/115

125m$ of the salary cap every year for 3 players

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

LMAO, so you are going to double down and compare Carter ( a guy who played the 2nd most snaps of any Eagles DT in 2023 and the 9th overall pick in the draft) coming into 2024, to Sydney Brown (a 3rd round pick who hasn't even become a 3rd safety after two seasons) heading into the 2025 season. I refuse to believe that you are this stupid. 

I can compare any two things I want. It's perfectly legal. It doesn't bother me.

As for Brown, I have to mostly go off his rookie season since he was rehabbing all off-season. He'll have a much better chance to compete for a starting spot this year than last year. I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. It seemed to me that McCollum was primarily Reed's backup and Brown was primarily CJ's backup. I don't think it was 3 and 4. But I also think much more highly of McCollum than you do. But since CJGJ was kind of the enforcer and tone setter in physicality, I think they liked Brown in that role over McCollum. McCollum needs to play with a little more physicality. He had a couple bad performances late last season where I thought he was being too tentative. Based on the character of the player, I believe both McCollum and Brown will respond well to coaching and learn from last season's mistakes. 

I don't believe there's such a thing as a shutdown safety so this whole debate is a little over the top, IMO. I strongly believe that the winner between our current players at Safety will be able to handle a starting role even if nobody else is added. If that happens, I'm confident they can work hard and improve each week like good, young players often do in the NFL when they get their chance. 

15 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

A. I asked you first and you refused multiple times and said you were done. Answer my question and then I will gladly answer you.

B. You have said two or three times you were done and yet you keep posting. So which one is it?

If doesn't matter if there isn't 10 backs that size.   It's a criteria made up by you who cares.  You can't answer the question.

36 minutes ago, mattwill said:

They did it last season with both Q and Cooper.  How do you rationalize those two decisions in your thinking?

I don’t want to get sucked into this argument but they certainly did not hand out starting jobs to Quinyon or Cooper to learn on the fly. Both earned their jobs. Quinyon was splitting NCB reps for the first half of training camp until Vic knew he was ready to play on the outside and start. DeJean didn’t even really play the first quarter of the season and only won the starting job once he proved to Fangio he could handle it. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t want to get sucked into this argument but they certainly did not hand out starting jobs to Quinyon or Cooper to learn on the fly. Both earned their jobs. Quinyon was splitting NCB reps for the first half of training camp until Vic knew he was ready to play on the outside and start. DeJean didn’t even really play the first quarter of the season and only won the starting job once he proved to Fangio he could handle it. 

And likewise there will be a battle for the starting safety spot this year. It may or may not include an experienced vet. But nobody is just getting handed the role.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t want to get sucked into this argument but they certainly did not hand out starting jobs to Quinyon or Cooper to learn on the fly. Both earned their jobs. Quinyon was splitting NCB reps for the first half of training camp until Vic knew he was ready to play on the outside and start. DeJean didn’t even really play the first quarter of the season and only won the starting job once he proved to Fangio he could handle it. 

 I don't think he was suggesting that they handed the jobs to them.  Someone else made a claim that you can't learn on the job in the NFL And be a Super Bowl contender. At least that's How I understood it.  I could be wrong. 

37 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Chase 4/161, Higgins 4/115

They are going to need to score 40 every game.

Because that defense will be giving up 45.

36 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Chase 4/161, Higgins 4/115

Imagine just doing it a year ago and being closer to 3/96 and 3/75 

13 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I can compare any two things I want. It's perfectly legal. It doesn't bother me.

As for Brown, I have to mostly go off his rookie season since he was rehabbing all off-season. He'll have a much better chance to compete for a starting spot this year than last year. I mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. It seemed to me that McCollum was primarily Reed's backup and Brown was primarily CJ's backup. I don't think it was 3 and 4. But I also think much more highly of McCollum than you do. But since CJGJ was kind of the enforcer and tone setter in physicality, I think they liked Brown in that role over McCollum. McCollum needs to play with a little more physicality. He had a couple bad performances late last season where I thought he was being too tentative. Based on the character of the player, I believe both McCollum and Brown will respond well to coaching and learn from last season's mistakes. 

I don't believe there's such a thing as a shutdown safety so this whole debate is a little over the top, IMO. I strongly believe that the winner between our current players at Safety will be able to handle a starting role even if nobody else is added. If that happens, I'm confident they can work hard and improve each week like good, young players often do in the NFL when they get their chance. 

Cool, so according to you Jalen Carter's situation going into the 2024 season is comparable to Sydney Brown's going into 2025, and you wear your stupidity like a badge of honor.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t want to get sucked into this argument but they certainly did not hand out starting jobs to Quinyon or Cooper to learn on the fly. Both earned their jobs. Quinyon was splitting NCB reps for the first half of training camp until Vic knew he was ready to play on the outside and start. DeJean didn’t even really play the first quarter of the season and only won the starting job once he proved to Fangio he could handle it. 

I agree with you but the reality is that both Q and Cooper were absolutely learning while playing.

10 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

 I don't think he was suggesting that they handed the jobs to them.  Someone else made a claim that you can't learn on the job in the NFL And be a Super Bowl contender. At least that's How I understood it.  I could be wrong. 

There is one of your strawmans right there white knight.

I said people don't get HANDED starting spots to learn on the job in the NFL for a contender if they aren't ready. Q and Dejean both earned their spots by beating out experienced veterans who had NFL starts under their belt and were already proven.

IF the Eagles go into camp with a competition between Brown, McCollum, and Cine chances are nobody really wins that job and they just pick the lesser of three evils since none of them have starting experience and shown anything to indicate they are on that trajectory.

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree with you but the reality is that both Q and Cooper were absolutely learning while playing.

They did but "learn on the fly” has a more specific meaning than just learning while playing. At least to me. 

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

There is one of your strawmans right there white knight.

I said people don't get HANDED starting spots to learn on the job in the NFL for a contender if they aren't ready. Q and Dejean both earned their spots by beating out experienced veterans who had NFL starts under their belt and were already proven.

IF the Eagles go into camp with a competition between Brown, McCollum, and Cine chances are nobody really wins that job and they just pick the lesser of three evils since none of them have starting experience and shown anything to indicate they are on that trajectory.

 Regardless if all 3 of them suck.   It's still a competition nobody's getting the job handed to them.  Nice try. 

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I agree with you but the reality is that both Q and Cooper were absolutely learning while playing.

10 year veterans should still be learning, You are missing the FN point.

There is a difference between a guy like Q or Dejean earning a starting spot over proven NFL players with starting experience and handing someone a starting spot and hoping they learn how to or develop into a starting caliber player by playing because there is nobody else. That's what bad teams/organizations do.

If some of you could actually do a mild bit of critical thinking and actually consider context you would understand the point I was trying to make whether or not you agree with it. Instead we get strawmans indicating that players don't learn and develop as they go throughout their careers which is not what I said.

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Cool, so according to you Jalen Carter's situation going into the 2024 season is comparable to Sydney Brown's going into 2025, and you wear your stupidity like a badge of honor.

Brown had 6 starts as a rookie and then blew out his knee in the final week. He spent the entire offseason rehabbing  and the season trying to catch up. So yes, in some ways he will be comparable as he is being asked to compete for a spot to replace a departed vet.

Big deal ...

Just now, eaglestime34 said:

 Regardless if all 3 of them suck.   It's still a competition nobody's getting the job handed to them.  Nice try. 

WRONG

And I am still waiting for you to either Sack up and answer my question, or continue to be a **** and run away from it like it has leprocy.

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

WRONG

And I am still waiting for you to either Sack up and answer my question, or continue to be a **** and run away from it like it has leprocy.

Definitely not. You can't answer got it.   I'm not  making the claim that there was 10 running backs that size. So I don't care. 

5 minutes ago, eaglestime34 said:

Definitely not. You can't answer got it. 

LMAO, are you 12? Better yet are you 5 because in addition to acting like a child apparently you can't read either. I already gave you one example white knight, which you responded to. I guess you missed it.

You on the other hand lied and said you were done twice and continue to engage with me, all the while showing what a chump you are by refusing to answer my question  in regards to AJ Dillon in response to your stupid a$$ comment which came without instigation. Need I also remind you that I posed my question to you first.

So whether you want to take your ball and go home with your tail between your legs, or stand there and whine with your tail between your legs, you're exposing yourself for a punk a$$ chump either way.

10 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Brown had 6 starts as a rookie and then blew out his knee in the final week. He spent the entire offseason rehabbing  and the season trying to catch up. So yes, in some ways he will be comparable as he is being asked to compete for a spot to replace a departed vet.

Big deal ...

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10 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Brown had 6 starts as a rookie and then blew out his knee in the final week. He spent the entire offseason rehabbing  and the season trying to catch up. So yes, in some ways he will be comparable as he is being asked to compete for a spot to replace a departed vet.

Big deal ...

What was 4x4’s full screen name?

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

What was 4x4’s full screen name?

https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/profile/37-4for4eaglesnest/

24 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They did but "learn on the fly” has a more specific meaning than just learning while playing. At least to me. 

Serious question … what is the specific meaning you apply to it?  For me there is learn on the job/fly or learn in the classroom.  Malcolm Gladwell talks about the value of learning on the job repetitions in his book Outliers.

20 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

LMAO, are you 12? Better yet are you 5 because in addition to acting like a child apparently you can't read either. I already gave you one example white knight, which you responded to. I guess you missed it.

You on the other hand lied and said you were done twice and continue to engage with me, all the while showing what a chump you are by refusing to answer my question  in regards to AJ Dillon in response to your stupid a$$ comment which came without instigation. Need I also remind you that I posed my question to you first.

So whether you want to take your ball and go home with your tail between your legs, or stand there and whine with your tail between your legs, you're exposing yourself for a punk a$$ chump either way.

Yes you gave me a example of my so called strawman on a comment I made after you you claimed I was making them . Yeah makes sense.  My lies?  Because I engaged when I said I was done twice as you kept going.  Such lies, who's the one that's weak.  

1 minute ago, brkmsn said:

https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/profile/37-4for4eaglesnest/

Thanks

Sydney Brown only played 47 coverage snaps this (regular) season and was targeted one time. He has a passer rating allowed of 0.00.

Here is the play:

awful ... just awful.