6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The number of questions is alarming…but I really like the talent we have lined up for each of them.  The problem is that, just statistically, some of these guys are going to fall flat on their faces.

These are all questions on the margins, ie the difference between a 14-3 team and a 10-7 team. 

Catching up with the conversation last night...

Every time a bell rings, another poster goes on ignore. 

Stingley Jr 3/90

Rookie contracts are going to be worth their weight in gold soon enough

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I have to ask why people are so confident that Steen is good. The Eagles haven’t shown much confidence in him as most posters. 

He played last year and they won.  It was harder coming in cold but he was more good than bad. I avoided the Becton discussion but people including Baldinger tended to cherry pick his highlight reps. And Becton actually started games in the nfl albeit at OT before.  I think Steen with growing experience will be fine.

My answers…

Nolan Smith…I think he’s going to start slow given the offseason spent rehabbing and then be a legit foundational edge rusher for us.

Jordan Davis…I want to believe.  I’m going to believe.  But I’m scared he’s going to fizzle out with more snaps and just give way to Ojomo, who can at least Mike Patterson the job.  I’m still going to bet on Davis here.

Jalyx Hunt.  I think he’ll perform admirably, but statistically, someone has to disappoint.  I think he may have benefitted from the rest of the defense playing at such a high level, it was easy for him to pin back and rush in limited snaps.  I don’t think he’ll suck, but I’ll say this is one area where we come up short.  Hunt is measurably inferior to Sweat next year.

Huff.  Another.  I want to get on the bandwagon that he’ll be a really good situational rusher for us.  I’ve been posting it.  Who cares if that’s not what he’s paid to be?  That’s all we need now.  But I think things got too far off the rails last year for him to get back on.  If I had to predict, I’ll say we get absolutely nothing from him.

Steen.  We aren’t going to have any hiccups here.  He’s going to be good.  But when Barkley drops from 2,000 to 1,600 yards, this will be part of the reason.

Ringo.  I think he’ll have some well publicized hiccups early on, but I think he’s going to be an excellent starter for us.

Brown/Cine.  See above.  I don’t know which it will be.  But one of them will do it.

With Ringo/Brown/Cine…I think it’s the Nolan Smith situation.  They need the time and opportunity.  So Howie needs to be patient.  I don’t think we need to add there. I want to see these guys do it.  If Huff didn’t suck, we might have never seen what Nolan Smith can do.  I want these guys to get their shot.

 

The sum total of all of this…I think the Eagles fall back 2-3 games in the win column next year.  Might struggle in the division race.  But come playoffs…I think all these new guys will be settling in and they might be the most dangerous team in the playoffs, again.

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I have to ask why people are so confident that Steen is good. The Eagles haven’t shown much confidence in him as most posters. 

He has played well when he has had the chance, and the eagles are 4-0 in those games. And the ground game still worked. And the pass protection may have been better. And the eagles have let Becton walk for a very discounted elite RG cost of about 10M per year. That shows confidence. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I have to ask why people are so confident that Steen is good. The Eagles haven’t shown much confidence in him as most posters. 

He played almost 30% of our offensive snaps last year.  Both Becton and Dickerson left mid game for injuries a lot.

Go be great, Mehki.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My answers…

Nolan Smith…I think he’s going to start slow given the offseason spent rehabbing and then be a legit foundational edge rusher for us.

Jordan Davis…I want to believe.  I’m going to believe.  But I’m scared he’s going to fizzle out with more snaps and just give way to Ojomo, who can at least Mike Patterson the job.  I’m still going to bet on Davis here.

Jalyx Hunt.  I think he’ll perform admirably, but statistically, someone has to disappoint.  I think he may have benefitted from the rest of the defense playing at such a high level, it was easy for him to pin back and rush in limited snaps.  I don’t think he’ll suck, but I’ll say this is one area where we come up short.  Hunt is measurably inferior to Sweat next year.

Huff.  Another.  I want to get on the bandwagon that he’ll be a really good situational rusher for us.  I’ve been posting it.  Who cares if that’s not what he’s paid to be?  That’s all we need now.  But I think things got too far off the rails last year for him to get back on.  If I had to predict, I’ll say we get absolutely nothing from him.

Steen.  We aren’t going to have any hiccups here.  He’s going to be good.  But when Barkley drops from 2,000 to 1,600 yards, this will be part of the reason.

Ringo.  I think he’ll have some well publicized hiccups early on, but I think he’s going to be an excellent starter for us.

Brown/Cine.  See above.  I don’t know which it will be.  But one of them will do it.

With Ringo/Brown/Cine…I think it’s the Nolan Smith situation.  They need the time and opportunity.  So Howie needs to be patient.  I don’t think we need to add there. I want to see these guys do it.  If Huff didn’t suck, we might have never seen what Nolan Smith can do.  I want these guys to get their shot.

 

The sum total of all of this…I think the Eagles fall back 2-3 games in the win column next year.  Might struggle in the division race.  But come playoffs…I think all these new guys will be settling in and they might be the most dangerous team in the playoffs, again.

Dont forget, not all of those questions will be as important in a few months time when there is a high draft pick in some of those spots, or a veteran taking some of those snaps.

Davis or Ojomo could lose snaps to a rookie.

I see it as fairly unlikely, but not out of the question that the eagles select another 1st round CB who would play ahead of Ringo. Or more likely, a safety who takes the job from Brown (or Cine). Hunt will play a role, but a high draft pick at edge will keep Huff mostly out of the rotation.

A bunch of these are going to change. 

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

He played almost 30% of our offensive snaps last year.  Both Becton and Dickerson left mid game for injuries a lot.

I didn’t ask you how much he played. I asked why people are so confident in him being good. 

8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

To me I take learning on the fly as being unprepared and put into a situation you aren’t ready for and aren’t entirely sure what you should be doing. Similar to winging it and fake it till you make it. I agree both Quinyon and Cooper learned more as they played but both only started once having a high base line. 

Maybe if they gave 110% and paid their rent it would work better as an idiom.  

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Dont forget, not all of those questions will be as important in a few months time when there is a high draft pick in some of those spots, or a veteran taking some of those snaps.

Davis or Ojomo could lose snaps to a rookie.

I see it as fairly unlikely, but not out of the question that the eagles select another 1st round CB who would play ahead of Ringo. Or more likely, a safety who takes the job from Brown (or Cine). Hunt will play a role, but a high draft pick at edge will keep Huff mostly out of the rotation.

A bunch of these are going to change. 

I always have a different viewpoint on things, but I don’t really like the first round of this draft.  I don’t see DE’s, DT’s, safeties, or CB’s I like.  I think there is more upside with the guys we have.  I’d be thrilled to trade down at 32 for some 2026 capital.

I don’t see may players I think can step in and be better than our in-house solutions

 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Dont forget, not all of those questions will be as important in a few months time when there is a high draft pick in some of those spots, or a veteran taking some of those snaps.

Davis or Ojomo could lose snaps to a rookie.

I see it as fairly unlikely, but not out of the question that the eagles select another 1st round CB who would play ahead of Ringo. Or more likely, a safety who takes the job from Brown (or Cine). Hunt will play a role, but a high draft pick at edge will keep Huff mostly out of the rotation.

A bunch of these are going to change. 

Yeah I was going to post something similar.  Howie is being very prudent with the cap now for reasons that should be clear to everyone with recent contracts BUT I still think we'll see player additions through late signings and trades and of course the draft.  It's hard to be patient with that but it's March 17 and we've already people turning on each other here when there is 2 days of inactivity 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I didn’t ask you how much he played. I asked why people are so confident in him being good. 

He played and was good.  

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Reed Blankenship had a few starts as a rookie in place of CJGJ and played well, but in the Super Bowl that season, he didn't play on defense. Did he earn the starting job in 2023 or was he forced to learn on the fly? Or was the learning on the fly what he did in 2022 while CJGJ was out?

In this specific circumstance I would say 2022 was the learning on the fly for Blakenship as he was forced into action due to injury and in their perfect world probably doesn’t play much that year.

In 2023 he earned the job competing against Justin Evans and Terrell Edmunds. Being a young player he learned more as he played that year but since he won the job the Eagles thought he was prepared for it.

20 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Stingley Jr 3/90

Rookie contracts are going to be worth their weight in gold soon enough

At this rate Q is going to get 40 per year when he's up for an extension.

And that contract is essentially fully guaranteed. $89 million of it.

I know, I know it’s PFF, but I looked it up this morning because I was curious how it matched my thoughts. I didn’t think he’d rate this bad, but I certainly didn’t think he was as good as people have suggested in here. 

3 hours ago, just relax said:

Are you capable of posting without being insulting?

I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that question is no, and that he is the second coming of 4x4eaglesnest.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My answers…

Nolan Smith…I think he’s going to start slow given the offseason spent rehabbing and then be a legit foundational edge rusher for us.

Jordan Davis…I want to believe.  I’m going to believe.  But I’m scared he’s going to fizzle out with more snaps and just give way to Ojomo, who can at least Mike Patterson the job.  I’m still going to bet on Davis here.

Jalyx Hunt.  I think he’ll perform admirably, but statistically, someone has to disappoint.  I think he may have benefitted from the rest of the defense playing at such a high level, it was easy for him to pin back and rush in limited snaps.  I don’t think he’ll suck, but I’ll say this is one area where we come up short.  Hunt is measurably inferior to Sweat next year.

Huff.  Another.  I want to get on the bandwagon that he’ll be a really good situational rusher for us.  I’ve been posting it.  Who cares if that’s not what he’s paid to be?  That’s all we need now.  But I think things got too far off the rails last year for him to get back on.  If I had to predict, I’ll say we get absolutely nothing from him.

Steen.  We aren’t going to have any hiccups here.  He’s going to be good.  But when Barkley drops from 2,000 to 1,600 yards, this will be part of the reason.

Ringo.  I think he’ll have some well publicized hiccups early on, but I think he’s going to be an excellent starter for us.

Brown/Cine.  See above.  I don’t know which it will be.  But one of them will do it.

With Ringo/Brown/Cine…I think it’s the Nolan Smith situation.  They need the time and opportunity.  So Howie needs to be patient.  I don’t think we need to add there. I want to see these guys do it.  If Huff didn’t suck, we might have never seen what Nolan Smith can do.  I want these guys to get their shot.

 

The sum total of all of this…I think the Eagles fall back 2-3 games in the win column next year.  Might struggle in the division race.  But come playoffs…I think all these new guys will be settling in and they might be the most dangerous team in the playoffs, again.

-Nolan Smith: I think he's the kind of guy who now that he knows he can dominate, he's just going to get better. He got his feet wet as a rookie, but took off in year 2. If he's healed up, I can see him going for 12+ sacks. Stay healthy young man.

-Jordan Davis: I'm one of the biggest critics of Jordan Davis here. He just doesn't give you enough. I know his role is different, but sorry, 15 snaps a game isn't cutting it. I'm going out on a limb and saying he gets in the best shape of his life now that he sees what kind of stupid money he could get if he applies himself. If he comes back in shape and gives the Eagles 25-35 snaps per game, that's a win. He's not a bad player, he's just not on the field enough.

-Jalyx Hunt/Bryce Huff Joshua Uche: I'm combining Hunt with Huff and Uche here because I think all 3 could benefit from the success of the others. Hunt isn't ready to be a starter, but he showed he can be a force. He should get the most snaps of the 3. Anything they get from Huff is a win at this point. Uche is the wild card. He's still just 26 and he's had an 11.5 sack season. If he makes the team and is playing 25% of the snaps, I'm going positive attitude and he can give them 6-8 sacks. Remember, everyone playing on the DL gets the benefit of playing alongside Jalen Carter.

-Tyler Steen: He's RG1 as of today. Kenyon Green might push him later in the season, but we have a lot to see from both. I think Steen will be steady.

-Kelee Ringo: He's CB2. Apparently, the coaches love him. He has all the size and tools you want from an NFL CB. I think he comes in and plays well. He's going to get picked on and be tested. He'll probably give up some big plays, but he's going to be a solid CB2. I view him as an Al Harris kind of CB.

-Sydney Brown/Lewis Cine: The Eagles will bring in safety competition. It could be anywhere from a 1st round pick to a not yet released veteran or a trade, but they will bring in another player. I want to believe in Lewis Cine. I want the Eagles to strike gold in him. He's finally healthy. I want to see him on the field. I also think Sydney Brown is a player. He could be anything from a starter to S4 depending on what moves are made and what Cine shows. He's an unproven player but he isn't a bad player. It will be exciting to see how this plays out. 

 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I didn’t ask you how much he played. I asked why people are so confident in him being good. 

He always looks fine when he plays, despite playing multiple OL spots. He does give up some stuff though. I just want to see him get extended playing time so he can develop more.

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Where is @Veejer when we need him?  
 

He should be celebrating the SB win with us. @greend stops in every once in a while.  It is fun to see the old faces.

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Still can't believe people watched the 2024 Eagles and wanted Kellen Moore over Fangio/Parker.

Where did that happen?  I must have missed it.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I always have a different viewpoint on things, but I don’t really like the first round of this draft.  I don’t see DE’s, DT’s, safeties, or CB’s I like.  I think there is more upside with the guys we have.  I’d be thrilled to trade down at 32 for some 2026 capital.

I don’t see may players I think can step in and be better than our in-house solutions

 

I dont care much for any pass rush specialist DTs in our range in round 1. Assuming Nolen will be gone before our pick. I do like a bunch of big guys who can potentially push Jordan Davis off this team after the season unless he continues his development that we saw at the very end of the year. Im excited about Ojomo and Booker as the pass rushers though. And in round 2 due to age, I think Darius Alexander can definitely be a strong DT3 and push for the majority of reps with Carter. 

The DEs mostly all have flaws. Some are small speed rushers. Some are big bull rushers. The most explosive ones are quite small, and one has major character issues supposedly. Its talented, but risky group of incomplete players at edge. I mostly agree with you there. Though, again, theyre just going to be taking snaps from Huff. Im confident the rookie can do that and would represent an improvement there.

At CB I think Revel is going to be elite. 

And at S, I think Starks is elite (knock that he takes bad angles but we arent using him as a single high. I think the way we use our safeties will hide that weakness). And Emmanwori is a freak that Id be really excited about. He compares to Kyle Hamilton. Give me that. Kevin Winston from Penn State might be the best of the bunch who has flown under the radar due to an injury.  In round 2, Watts has been talked about in here a bunch lately. But TDN actually has Lathan Ransom, Billy Bowman, and Andrew Mukuba all ahead of him. Thats quite a bit of safety talent to compete with our relative unknowns. 

 

 

35 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 

And this is why Howie is cutting cap to pay for his young CBs

His contract isn't for awhile though

by the way, although the 6ers won yesterday, so did the Nets. So opportunity lost, but damage mitigated.