7 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

What position do you think Howie will be looking to address with our 1st pick?  Whether it's at 32, trade up, trade down, etc.  I'd have them ranked as such:

1. Edge Rusher

2. OT (swing tackle that can also play G)

3. DT

4. TE

5. S

For Edge Rusher, one of the things I wonder is if Fangio wants a "stout" type (like BG) that can set firm edges against the run as well as get after the QB...but maybe isn't really a great option to drop in coverage.  Or is having the ability to drop into coverage a "must" for ALL his edges?

Safety has two BPA players in the first round that aren’t likely to drop to 32, but both would be hard to resist depending on who else is on the Board at that time.  They are South Carolina’s Nick Emmanwori and Georgia’s Malaki Starks.

TE is in a similar situation with BPAs Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland. However, I believe the real TE targets are in the 2nd Round.

I don’t see OT as a 1st round option because any OT taken will have at least one red shirt season behind Mailata and Lane, and probably more than one.  That would seriously limit the value return from a 1st round OT.

That leaves Edge and DT as my top two and the depth of DT prospects is a bit better than the depth of Edge so I think, if all things are otherwise equal on the BPA assessments, that Edge will be taken first and DT will be taken later 

So my order of your list is

Edge
DT
Safety
TE
OT

2 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Chris Jones in isolation wasn't going to stop the shove, but at least showed effort in changing up something. 

All he showed was his lack of understanding of basic physics.

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

lol WHAT

By who, a blind person?

By @time2rock

14 minutes ago, NOTW said:

DE or Safety. I'm guessing he trades back and has two 2nd round selections. That avoids another 1st round contract and gets an additional pick. He has a lot next year so curious if he collects a mid round this year. 

I suspect he'll come out of this draft with a DE, Safety, DT, O linemen for depth and whatever else for depth.

I expect him to come out with all those plus two TEs … a receiving TE like Mason Taylor or Elijah Arroyo in Round 2 and a blocking TE specifically Jackson Hawes early in Day 3.  Hawes is my #1 "must have” target from this draft.

11 minutes ago, mattwill said:

By @time2rock

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I expect him to come out with all those plus two TEs … a receiving TE like Mason Taylor or Elijah Arroyo in Round 2 and a blocking TE specifically Jackson Hawes early in Day 3.  Hawes is my #1 "must have” target from this draft.

Jack Stoll part deux.

19 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Howie has brought in Ojulari and Uche as a means of not being compelled to draft an edge rusher at #32.  The Eagles scouting staff might have surmised that a DT is more likely to be the best DL player available at that pick.  I'm sure they've done hundreds of mock drafts and tried to assess the teams immediately in front of them as to where they're likely to use the picks.

 There should also be a differentiation between EDGE and DE.  Brandon Graham was more a true DE rather than an EDGE.  I think it would be wise for the Eagles to develop a true DE in his absence, whether that means the #32 pick or later.

My guess as to the likely pick?  It's likely he trades down a bit if someone wants to get back into the first round to get the 5th year option on a player; that's what Howie did last time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, although my bet is he doesn't trade all the way back to #50 this time around.  If the Eagles make a pick at #32 my guess would be:

DT

DE

OT

TE

 

I think a calculation that needs to go into this assessment is also the depth at the position.  In this draft I think DT is far deeper than EDGE.  As such, it might not make sense to pass on the EDGE at 32 for a DT, if quality DTs can also be found later, but the EDGE supply is gone before pick 64.  That said, if the disparity of talent at DT and EDGE is that great at 32... then you go BPA and deal with the fall out, but if they are similar, EDGE might have the edge for that selection due to the fact that a quality DT might still be very likely to be sitting there at 64 or even 96.... or at least long enough in Round 3 to allow for a move up to snag one using a 5th rounder to jump up.

33 minutes ago, EaglesAddict said:

What position do you think Howie will be looking to address with our 1st pick?  Whether it's at 32, trade up, trade down, etc.  I'd have them ranked as such:

1. Edge Rusher

2. OT (swing tackle that can also play G)

3. DT

4. TE

5. S

For Edge Rusher, one of the things I wonder is if Fangio wants a "stout" type (like BG) that can set firm edges against the run as well as get after the QB...but maybe isn't really a great option to drop in coverage.  Or is having the ability to drop into coverage a "must" for ALL his edges?

I think Fangio sees Smith and Hunt as his types at the edge.  Athletic enough to drop into coverage but plays with the right amount of toughness to set the edge despite their size.

I see a scenario where Howie is aggressive in the first round and uses some of the surplus of picks to get one of the top edges.   He could also continue to "Baltimore" the draft and wait for a quality DT to fall to 32.

They will follow their recent history of addressing OL on day 2 and letting Stout coach them up.

And I think Howie is afraid to draft safeties.  He admitted it is a difficult position to scout.  He has only taken four since his return in 2016.  Only one on days 1 or 2 - Brown.  The others (Countess, Stevens, Wallace) were taken on day 3.

FYI for the Joe Burrow POOR BABY! crowd  (you know, SB MVP Hurts has to be inferior to mighty Joe Burrow because his defense and pretend 2021 O-line in 2025)

Burrow has moved to the Aaron Rodgers, LeBron James GM/player phase. He decided the team should pay top dollar to 2 WRs. He has made his bed. He will be judged on results, not on putting the EPA per play of his defense on the scales. No excuses for the astounding results of dropping back more than any other QB leads to more total sack numbers (but average sacks per drop back)  He gets more passing stats to those guy at the cost of a well balanced team.

8 minutes ago, just relax said:

Jack Stoll part deux.

Agreed … plus a Yale pedigree.

17 hours ago, mattwill said:

Ehh. These are overall numbers, but some of it is skewed from all the tush pushes that have happened over the last couple of years.

2024 - Barkley (16 games) - 5.8 YPC

2023 - Swift (16 games) - 4.6 YPC

2022 - Sanders (15 games) - 4.9 YPC

2021 - Sanders (12 games) - 5.5 YPC

2020 - Sanders (11 games) - 5.4 YPC

23 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I expect him to come out with all those plus two TEs … a receiving TE like Mason Taylor or Elijah Arroyo in Round 2 and a blocking TE specifically Jackson Hawes early in Day 3.  Hawes is my #1 "must have” target from this draft.

Goedert's status and future is certainly a key there. They may draft the TE of the future (or the present if they trade him). They also signed a TE to add to the mix already. Curious what they do there.

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think Fangio sees Smith and Hunt as his types at the edge.  Athletic enough to drop into coverage but plays with the right amount of toughness to set the edge despite their size.

I see a scenario where Howie is aggressive in the first round and uses some of the surplus of picks to get one of the top edges.   He could also continue to "Baltimore" the draft and wait for a quality DT to fall to 32.

They will follow their recent history of addressing OL on day 2 and letting Stout coach them up.

And I think Howie is afraid to draft safeties.  He admitted it is a difficult position to scout.  He has only taken four since his return in 2016.  Only one on days 1 or 2 - Brown.  The others (Countess, Stevens, Wallace) were taken on day 3.

I agree with the points in your first three paragraphs; however, I’m on the fence regarding your final paragraph.  Until April last year Howie could have been labeled as afraid to draft CBs, and how did that work out?  Further, what is there about Nick Emmanwori and/or Malaki Starks not to like?  How are either of those two players hard to scout?

5 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Ehh. These are overall numbers, but some of it is skewed from all the tush pushes that have happened over the last couple of years.

2024 - Barkley (16 games) - 5.8 YPC

2023 - Swift (16 games) - 4.6 YPC

2022 - Sanders (15 games) - 4.9 YPC

2021 - Sanders (12 games) - 5.5 YPC

2020 - Sanders (11 games) - 5.4 YPC

That just makes the argument stronger.  Thanks for adding that reinforcement.

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Goedert's status and future is certainly a key there. They may draft the TE of the future (or the present if they trade him). They also signed a TE to add to the mix already. Curious what they do there.

I am curious too, but Goedert’s status doesn’t change the fact that the Eagles need a solid inline blocking TE to be TE #3.  As @just relax said above, "Jack Stoll, part deux”. 

I don’t want to ignore/minimize the two FA signings, but I look at them in the context of Howie’s long standing belief that he doesn’t want to go into the Draft with any obvious "holes”. Given Goedert’s uncertainty and only Calcaterra and Goedert on the roster, TE was a hole, and Howie addressed it.  That gives him flexibility to approach the Draft with all his options open.

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24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think a calculation that needs to go into this assessment is also the depth at the position.  In this draft I think DT is far deeper than EDGE.  As such, it might not make sense to pass on the EDGE at 32 for a DT, if quality DTs can also be found later, but the EDGE supply is gone before pick 64.  That said, if the disparity of talent at DT and EDGE is that great at 32... then you go BPA and deal with the fall out, but if they are similar, EDGE might have the edge for that selection due to the fact that a quality DT might still be very likely to be sitting there at 64 or even 96.... or at least long enough in Round 3 to allow for a move up to snag one using a 5th rounder to jump up.

You and I are thinking alike. The graphics below are  is Tankathon’s boards for Edge and DT. In my opinion all the DTs between Grant at 22 and Jemaree Caldwell at 119 are viable Day 1 and Day 2 DTs … 19 in all.  For the Edges starting with Pearce at 25 and going to Stewart at 80 there are only 11 to choose from.  There are another 5 between Ivey at 92 and Walker at 125, but I’m not sure how viable they are as Eagles prospects.  

and

Curious how many teams took Pearce off their boards. He's a stud, but most mocks have him falling to late first or out of the first round. Man if the Eagles steal him like they stole Carter that would be something.

We've got 20 picks total in these next 2 drafts. I know we need some depth in places and plenty of holes to fill but IMO we're much more likely to move up for the right player than accumulate more picks by trading down or even staying put. 

6 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

18 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You and I are thinking alike. The graphics below are  is Tankathon’s boards for Edge and DT. In my opinion all the DTs between Grant at 22 and Jemaree Caldwell at 119 are viable Day 1 and Day 2 DTs … 19 in all.  For the Edges starting with Pearce at 25 and going to Stewart at 80 there are only 11 to choose from.  There are another 5 between Ivey at 92 and Walker at 125, but I’m not sure how viable they are as Eagles prospects.  

and

Matt...if you double-click on an image before you post, you will have the opportunity to proportionally reduce to the size of the image.  See what I did to your quoted post.  Takes up less room on the screen and easier for the reader to digest.

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Curious how many teams took Pearce off their boards. He's a stud, but most mocks have him falling to late first or out of the first round. Man if the Eagles steal him like they stole Carter that would be something.

That's the thing about the people who point and laugh at the mock drafters when picks are different. Its impossible to know if its 2 teams or 20 teams. Its impossible to know how may teams that are prioritizing edge rusher keep him on their board.

 

Aaron Rodgers probably had 10 teams that liked him as the best QB in 2005 but none of those teams liked him enough to draft him over another prospect at a position of need. HoF QB falls to 24 because the one team picking QB (49ers) went Alex Smith  (who was a very good NFL QB but no Rodgers)