1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t think the only value is in exercising it as much as having it in the back pocket. And Carter is a great example.  Let’s say that when Howie offers an extension, Carter’s agent is unreasonable.  Eagles can use the option as a negotiating lever.  Carter’s agent probably realizes the Eagles can hold him for seven years, although year seven’s price tag for a DT would be too high, even for Carter.   And let’s say some team wants the Eagles pick for a QB like the Ravens did with Lamar.  That’s a full seven year stick potentially.   That’s where the value lies, whether a team eventually uses it or not.  That’s why the 1st round value really isn’t equated for in Brandt’s old formula.  

Conversely, it could lead to a painful standoff. For a player like Carter. It’s simply not an issue. Nine times in ten this decision is simple.

13 minutes ago, just relax said:

Yeah, but when? My point is that he’ll never get to the fight year option.

Someone (Vikas? LeanMean? Both?) pointed out they will likely do a fifth year option and extend him at the same time, similar to Smitty. 

5 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I really think the old pick value charts undervalue the fifth year option with a first.

Also they woefully undervalue future picks. A future pick dropping down a round in worth is the craziest thing to me.

I would trade every 3rd round pick for a Future Second round pick, and every second round pick for a future first round pick. 2025 draft would suck, but by 2027 I’d have 3 first round picks every year until the end of time

 

 

Kind of like the idea of drafting Nolen and Princely U. Ole Miss teammates and transitioning to the NFL together would seem to be ideal for maximizing their potential. Think that would be a dynamite RD1/RD2 combo and solidify the EDGE and DT rotations.

 

3 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Just an absolutely insane video.  Saying Chiefs were the best team.  If the Super Bowl was played 7 times the Chiefs would have won 5 of the games and that the Bills were better than the Eagles as well. 

 

 

two minutes and seventeen seconds of delusion.

9 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

This was a table shared by @Aerolithe_Lion - seemingly Ezeiruaku has the run stopping box checked.

 

David Walker and Josiah Stewart … hmmmm

3 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I was watching the NFL on Sundays in the ‘60s.  And as a former Oilers fan, I am not sure I embrace the post NFL Ticket era where you could watch the team of your youth regardless of locale.  I became an Eagles fan because they were "local” when I moved to the South Central. And you can’t be a bigger football fan than being a Birds fan.  I immediately found kindred spirits.  But I wonder what ai would have missed in the six years before that a-hole family the Adams stole the Oilers away.   Point is that I think the geographical availability limitations back then somewhat influenced some fandom.  Now a bunch of posters aren’t local.  I wonder if @mattwill, who has maintained his Bird fandom for decades out of PA and all you other out of state guys would agree.  But looking back, I have a positive view of how the limitation impacted me.  

When I moved away from Philadelphia in 1966 and 1989 in both cases I moved to NFCE hotbeds … for the Giants in 66 and for the Cowboys in 89. So, having any kind of allegiance shift was impossible. If anything those experiences reinforced my Bird fandom.  To this day I still hate the Giants much more than any other team.  The Giants fans in my freshman dorm were insufferable.

Moving to Nashville in 1995 with the Titans being brand spanking new did give me an opportunity to supplements my Eagles fandom, but it was not in any way diminished.  My 1998 move to Northern California took me to Raiders Country, and the Raiders were my AFL team before the merger, so they became my AFC team. The 1980 Super Bowl was a pleasure to watch.  I couldn’t lose.

That long standing second team in the other Conference loyalty meant the Niners jumped into the hated team #4 spot behind the Giants, Cowboys, and Redskins.  They dropped down to #5 behind the Patriots in 2005, but they reclaimed the #4 spot after 2022’s Whinergate.

51 minutes ago, mattwill said:

David Walker and Josiah Stewart … hmmmm

That’s right, with Donovan E. you have  a target in each round. I like to throw Oladejo into the mix as well, so that 2 of them sort of fit the OLB archetype while the other 2 have some BG to them.

12 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That’s right, with Donovan E. you have  a target in each round. I like to throw Oladejo into the mix as well.

Oladejo and Boise State’s Ahmed Hassanein have been my late round D-Linemen for a while, but they are both moving up the board, so they both may end up being early Day Three selections.

Jamaree Caldwell from Oregon is another one I got on to early as a legitimate backup for Jordan Davis, but he too has risen up the boards in recent weeks.

BTW, is there a similar graph for DTs?

7 hours ago, just relax said:

I wonder about that. Take Carter, for example. Does anyone seriously think the Eagles will exercise the fifth year option with him? I sure don’t.

 

7 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

I’m trying to think of the last 1st round pick we picked up the option for…Barnett?  There’s only a few weeks left for the decision on Jordan Davis right?  Going even back to Joe Banner days, they’ve always been ones to resign talent as early as possible.

You guys are missing stuff. Even when extended, Eagles pick up the 5th year option to extend them off of it. Like Devonta Smith. They picked up his option and extended him off of it which gives cap benefits. They will do the same with Carter. Barnett was the last guy they picked up the option and made him play that option only year. The biggest reason there’s a gap between Barnett and Smith is they traded out of the first round one year then drafted Dillard and Reagor. 

19 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That’s right, with Donovan E. you have  a target in each round. I like to throw Oladejo into the mix as well.

Here is some additional info that adds context to the graph.

 

4 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

I've watched it several times and so many different YouTubes.  I love the domination.  Don't get tired of it.

One thing I've noticed this time around is that there are way fewer "reaction videos" on Youtube compared to seven years ago. I mean families recording themselves watching the game and celebrating as it progressed. That sort of thing. There are a few out there, but not the volume of the last time. Also I would have expected to see more "fans in the stadium" videos.

29 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Oladejo and Boise State’s Ahmed Hassanein have been my late round D-Linemen for a while, but they are both moving up the board, so they both may end up being early Day Three selections.

Jamaree Caldwell from Oregon is another one I got on to early as a legitimate backup for Jordan Davis, but he too has risen up the boards in recent weeks.

BTW, is there a similar graph for DTs?

Not sure if it this chart is using the same data source, but it looks like it is trying to accomplish the same comparison for DTs.

 

4 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I was watching the NFL on Sundays in the ‘60s.  And as a former Oilers fan, I am not sure I embrace the post NFL Ticket era where you could watch the team of your youth regardless of locale.  I became an Eagles fan because they were "local” when I moved to the South Central. And you can’t be a bigger football fan than being a Birds fan.  I immediately found kindred spirits.  But I wonder what ai would have missed in the six years before that a-hole family the Adams stole the Oilers away.   Point is that I think the geographical availability limitations back then somewhat influenced some fandom.  Now a bunch of posters aren’t local.  I wonder if @mattwill, who has maintained his Bird fandom for decades out of PA and all you other out of state guys would agree.  But looking back, I have a positive view of how the limitation impacted me.  

Geography is definitely important. One thing I think about on occasion is if I would have been an Eagles fan if my family had stayed in Texas, which is where I lived as an infant. We soon moved back up to Pennsylvania where my parents were from and then shortly thereafter to New Jersey. But if I had grown up down there -- and we were much closer to Houston than to Dallas -- would I have naturally become an Oilers fan? They would have been the local team. How would I have reacted to all the Cowboys mania that would have been prevalent at that time? I'm sure there would have been a ton of Cowboys fans in school. Even if I had followed my father's lead and rooted for the Eagles, I suspect it would have been pretty difficult to sustain being that far away in an era where there wasn't much out of market news coverage going on.  

20 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Not sure if it this chart is using the same data source, but it looks like it is trying to accomplish the same comparison for DTs.

 

That works

20 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Geography is definitely important. One thing I think about on occasion is if I would have been an Eagles fan if my family had stayed in Texas, which is where I lived as an infant. We soon moved back up to Pennsylvania where my parents were from and then shortly thereafter to New Jersey. But if I had grown up down there -- and we were much closer to Houston than to Dallas -- would I have naturally become an Oilers fan? They would have been the local team. How would I have reacted to all the Cowboys mania that would have been prevalent at that time? I'm sure there would have been a ton of Cowboys fans in school. Even if I had followed my father's lead and rooted for the Eagles, I suspect it would have been pretty difficult to sustain being that far away in an era where there wasn't much out of market news coverage going on.  

In my world you absolutely could have been an Oilers fan regardless.  One NFC team and one AFC team.

So is Asante Samuel Jr. a bad teammate, asking for too much money, an injury waiting to happen or just a bit overrated? Has to be a reason that a 25 year old CB who should be in the prime of his career is still on the streets.  You'd have to imagine at some point either teams cave to his demands, or he brings down his cost and the value to sign him is far greater than the risks. 

At this point, I'd be all for a 1-year contract to see what he can do.  

6 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

That’s right, with Donovan E. you have  a target in each round. I like to throw Oladejo into the mix as well, so that 2 of them sort of fit the OLB archetype while the other 2 have some BG to them.

For me Josaiah Stewart is a round 1 target. Even a trade up.

I find it hard to believe he's not a 1st rounder just due to size.  I wonder if there's not more that has tanked his stock in the last month or 2.

5 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Not sure if it this chart is using the same data source, but it looks like it is trying to accomplish the same comparison for DTs.

 

Thor was a sleeper i posted about a year or maybe even 2 years ago. I didn't realize he ended up in this draft class.

Ridiculously strong, but also very quick. Still seems to be ranked as a late day 3 guy for some reason. Major sleeper. 2nd best DT on this chart.

27 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

For me Josaiah Stewart is a round 1 target. Even a trade up.

I find it hard to believe he's not a 1st rounder just due to size.  I wonder if there's not more that has tanked his stock in the last month or 2.

It might be about build - last year Mo Kamara was highly productive but based on his H/W/L he didn’t go to the 5th. I see JS as a second round target, as he’s likely confined to the 3-4 or DPR role. Michigan had their pro-day last week, JS didn’t participate and weighed in at 242lb. I lot of stock conversations this time of year circulate around all star performances (I don’t remember him standing out) and workouts (DNP), so folks forget about him.

10 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

It might be about build - last year Mo Kamara was highly productive but based on his H/W/L he didn’t go to the 5th. I see JS as a second round target, as he’s likely confined to the 3-4 or DPR role. Michigan had their pro-day last week, JS didn’t participate and weighed in at 242lb. I lot of stock conversations this time of year circulate around all star performances (I don’t remember him standing out) and workouts (DNP), so folks forget about him.

man his speed pops on the TV like no edge I can remember. I think that would be such a dynamic piece to add to this defense. The fact that he can hold up on the edge and bull rush tells me his size shouldnt drop his stock. I look at him and I see Brandon Graham who can run a 4.3

9 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

ok. I see Kaden Ellis is the good one.

We had Christian, and Noah Elliss.

Jonah Ellis was the promising rookie who might be good too.

Out of 4 Ellis brothers we got the 2 bad ones, and there are 2 good ones. 

Oh yeah, what about Rob Ellis?

https://www.instagram.com/sportsradio94wip/reel/C9itCZ3sQU7/

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Oh yeah, what about Rob Ellis?

https://www.instagram.com/sportsradio94wip/reel/C9itCZ3sQU7/

 

Id guess he sucks too. 

56 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thor was a sleeper i posted about a year or maybe even 2 years ago. I didn't realize he ended up in this draft class.

Ridiculously strong, but also very quick. Still seems to be ranked as a late day 3 guy for some reason. Major sleeper. 2nd best DT on this chart.

I missed him at Harvard, but he looks nimble for guy reported to be 6’2” 320.

We might need to take these charts with a grain salt in terms of the small school guys. Thor gets 3 years of Ivy League domination (the heading says ‘career’), as does David Walker at Central Arkansas (maybe 2024 only, but same idea).