54 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Higgins comps- Allen Robinson, Michael Pittman, "Marvin Jones in Nico Collins body".

My comp- Tee Higgins

 

Simulator says tradeup if possible.

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Simulator says tradeup if possible.

Yeah, youd have to. The 3 of the guys I keep mentioning are way undervalued by rankings on draft sites.

They probably cant all sneak in to round 1 but they all deserve it, and whichever 1 or 2 of them dont get in to round 1 should be taken very early in round 2.

What Ive been saying is, I understand if the eagles actually take any of those 3 with pick 32. Those WRs are first round talents who will probably be better than like Edge #7 or DT#6 or whatever. 

At WR, its not only the question of AJ signed for long term but what is going to happen if he asks to re-work his deal after next year? Its also the fact that Dotson is going to be in the final year of his contract and I dont see the eagles paying him.

If you have a Noel (comp. Christian Kirk or Lockette) win that job this year, you dont have to worry about Dotson leaving next year. Or, if you have a Jayden Higgins (big slot) in year 1, and future insurance for the X position if the AJ Brown contract becomes tricky...

WR makes some sense. And has a strong chance of being BPA. 

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah, youd have to. The 3 of the guys I keep mentioning are way undervalued by rankings on draft sites.

They probably cant all sneak in to round 1 but they all deserve it, and whichever 1 or 2 of them dont get in to round 1 should be taken very early in round 2.

What Ive been saying is, I understand if the eagles actually take any of those 3 with pick 32. Those WRs are first round talents who will probably be better than like Edge #7 or DT#6 or whatever. 

At WR, its not only the question of AJ signed for long term but what is going to happen if he asks to re-work his deal after next year? Its also the fact that Dotson is going to be in the final year of his contract and I dont see the eagles paying him.

If you have a Noel (comp. Christian Kirk or Lockette) win that job this year, you dont have to worry about Dotson leaving next year. Or, if you have a Jayden Higgins (big slot) in year 1, and future insurance for the X position if the AJ Brown contract becomes tricky...

WR makes some sense. And has a strong chance of being BPA. 

I figure if DE/DT/OT gets hammered on early and the usual suspects are gone - the upside might be some unusual BPA opportunities - LB, S, CB, WR…

8 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I figure if DE/DT/OT gets hammered on early and the usual suspects are gone - the upside might be some unusual BPA opportunities - LB, S, CB, WR…

agree.

They can trade up for a target. Or trade down if they dont want a WR, or RB. But sitting at 32, I think its gonna be really tough to pick anyone over one of those 3 WRs. 

I can get excited about one of the safeties there like Watts, Mukuba, Bowman.... but those WRs are better players. 

Who is the potential LB there assuming Campbell is gone? Swesinger I guess? Or maybe Chris Paul? I havent paid really any attention to LBs yet. I should get to doing that. 

24 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I figure if DE/DT/OT gets hammered on early and the usual suspects are gone - the upside might be some unusual BPA opportunities - LB, S, CB, WR…

That’s what happened last year 

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

agree.

They can trade up for a target. Or trade down if they dont want a WR, or RB. But sitting at 32, I think its gonna be really tough to pick anyone over one of those 3 WRs. 

I can get excited about one of the safeties there like Watts, Mukuba, Bowman.... but those WRs are better players. 

Who is the potential LB there assuming Campbell is gone? Swesinger I guess? Or maybe Chris Paul? I havent paid really any attention to LBs yet. I should get to doing that. 

I think Campbell makes it past 20, so a legitimate target… likewise Starks due to positional value. Talked about Revel before. I guess Knight, but he’s like 25 and not real sharp.

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

That’s what happened last year 

When you’re a non-playoff team it’s typically because you have a fundamentally flawed roster - no QB, bad OL, bad DL.  It’s tough putting a cherry on top of that - which some of these positions are… 

13 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I think Campbell makes it past 20, so a legitimate target… likewise Starks due to positional value. Talked about Revel before. I guess Knight, but he’s like 25 and not real sharp.

Love Revel.

Considering Ringo is here and the signing of Jackson, I think I'll take one of the WRs over him. I think the WR has a quicker path to playing time. Plus, no ACL recovery question mark.

 

I really suspect Campbell goes earlier than expected considering the pass rush ability he has. For 1, you can sorta make a Parsons comparison with that skill set. Secondly, Van Ginkel, and now Baun may be trend setters and the NFL is bound to start trying to find theirs. Also leads that a player with that rare profile being valued higher. 

He is a trade up option.  But I don't now realistic he is if we are talking about pick 32. Which is the context I'm talking about these WRs in.

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You are moving goal posts. The comment I replied to was about why some fans are underwhelmed with Jordan Davis and they would complain less about him if he were a lower draft pick. I simply added more context about why fans would think he is underwhelming. Everything you just said is why fans would complain about him. He was traded up for, taken with a premium pick and has underwhelmed for his draft slot and projection because you can’t change what he has done thus far. 

You’re arguing just to argue and changing the topic completely. Todays market value has nothing to do with how fans feels about him being selected where he was and what he has done.

He was the 13th overall pick. Fans have the right to be underwhelmed by what he has done thus far. 

I'm good with Davis.  He does his job and increased his pass rush.  I don't think he realized how dominant he could be until the end of the season.  And he helped bring us a ring so what there to co.plain about??

14 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You make this place exhausting sometimes and you are twisting yourself into a pretzel now. If fans opinions have no affect, what does that make theorizing someone else’s opinions? You are literally giving an opinion about an opinion. 

The reason that this place is as exciting and valuable as it is, is that we are (almost) all graduate school faculty in our thinking and our due diligence and our willingness to share.  Just as the faculty of an individual Wharton or Harvard or Stanford department disagree about individual topics and even high level approaches to the subject matter, we often disagree.  But in the end the whole is greater than the sum of its parts … and there is no other message board anywhere in the NFL that holds a candle to us.  Just ask @Joe Ball

Being the best is hard work, and sometimes that hard work is exhausting.

3 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

Dude, I am being sarcastic in relation to your responses to me earlier this week when I said  interior OL is a need and your were asking what I had against Keegan and why I didn't trust Stoutland. 

Read my response.  Perhaps you will see that your sarcasm was seen and parodied.

3 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah.  I drive the train.  I only allow the illusion that the team has its own will.  Its really always been me.  

Well played sir.  Very well played.

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im a broken record, because since that Bootleg Football offensive gems, I keep watching anything I can on Noel, Higgins, and Harris. So here is another on on Noel and these guys make a pretty interesting comp for him- Christian Kirk, and Tyler Lockette

I know WR doesnt seem like an immediate need. But at 32, any of those 3 WRs can easily seem like the BPA. 

 

I hear your point, but would replace 32 with 45 in your sentence.

5 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Funny, I think he's one of the best. He's an every man that the average fan can relate to. Would your rather listen to a stick in the mud like John Kincade or a know nothing ****r like Decamara.

 

 

11 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

new design for Tua this year. 

 

3 minutes ago, Westbrook#36 said:

 

Judging by the amount of nipples, I would say that guy could survive a car crash. 

What do people think of Tate Ratledge?  Seems like a very Stoutland-esque interior OL pick. He'd cost a day 2 pick though.

10 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah, youd have to. The 3 of the guys I keep mentioning are way undervalued by rankings on draft sites.

They probably cant all sneak in to round 1 but they all deserve it, and whichever 1 or 2 of them dont get in to round 1 should be taken very early in round 2.

What Ive been saying is, I understand if the eagles actually take any of those 3 with pick 32. Those WRs are first round talents who will probably be better than like Edge #7 or DT#6 or whatever. 

At WR, its not only the question of AJ signed for long term but what is going to happen if he asks to re-work his deal after next year? Its also the fact that Dotson is going to be in the final year of his contract and I dont see the eagles paying him.

If you have a Noel (comp. Christian Kirk or Lockette) win that job this year, you dont have to worry about Dotson leaving next year. Or, if you have a Jayden Higgins (big slot) in year 1, and future insurance for the X position if the AJ Brown contract becomes tricky...

WR makes some sense. And has a strong chance of being BPA. 

Not in round 1. This isnt a great wr class anyway. 
 

day 3? Sure if you see a kid you like

12 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

What do people think of Tate Ratledge?  Seems like a very Stoutland-esque interior OL pick. He'd cost a day 2 pick though.

Would not be mad

Plus he just looks like he'd fit in well with Jurgens and Dickerson well

10 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Not in round 1. This isnt a great wr class anyway. 
 

day 3? Sure if you see a kid you like

I agree its not a great WR class. But last years supposedly was. With that said, a point raised on a video I watched last night-

If you look at guys like the 3 I keep talking about (Harris, Higgins, Noel), who are mostly ranked as 2nd rounders on draft sites and compare them to the other tier 2 and 3 WRs who went late 1st, early 2nd in last years great WR class- this years 3 are better. 

Xavier Worthy, Ricky Pearsall, Xavier Legette, Keon Coleman, McConkey, JaLynn Polk, AD Mitchell

If you separate the slot types, Worthy, Pearsall, McConkey, Polk- Noel is better than all of them, except maybe McConkey. But Noel is more of a burner than him.

If you look at the outside guys, Legette, Coleman, AD Mitchell.... you take Harris and Higgins without question over any of them. Its not even close. 

 

Yes last years class was much, much deeper. So many more names to rank in the top 2 rounds, and depth through every round.

But these 3 guys this year in that late 1st early 2nd range are better than last years group. Very underrated players right now.

It seems pretty clear that the eagles are targeting a round 2 or 3 OG. 

We dont really know how good Steen is. Or more specifically, what his ceiling is. It seems like we can get by with him as a starter. But there is something keeping the eagles from falling in love with the idea.

The question is, if he is a passable starter, which I do think is a safe assumption (even if he isnt an all world OL like we are used to seeing across the board on our OL), how likely is it that we will be upgrading with a round 2 or 3 player out of this class?

And, not just that that player will be better than Steen, but also Keegan who we were all pretty excited about last year before the injury.

 

I feel Id like to use the pick on a more pressing need. I dont want an OL that early. I think "we're fine there" for now. Id like to see Steen and Keegan battle it out. 

I dont trust a day 2 player out of this class to come in and instantly be better. Could be a lateral move which is basically a waste of a pick.

52 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Plus he just looks like he'd fit in well with Jurgens and Dickerson well

I heard he was a Pickup Man.

58 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I agree its not a great WR class. But last years supposedly was. With that said, a point raised on a video I watched last night-

If you look at guys like the 3 I keep talking about (Harris, Higgins, Noel), who are mostly ranked as 2nd rounders on draft sites and compare them to the other tier 2 and 3 WRs who went late 1st, early 2nd in last years great WR class- this years 3 are better. 

Xavier Worthy, Ricky Pearsall, Xavier Legette, Keon Coleman, McConkey, JaLynn Polk, AD Mitchell

If you separate the slot types, Worthy, Pearsall, McConkey, Polk- Noel is better than all of them, except maybe McConkey. But Noel is more of a burner than him.

If you look at the outside guys, Legette, Coleman, AD Mitchell.... you take Harris and Higgins without question over any of them. Its not even close. 

 

Yes last years class was much, much deeper. So many more names to rank in the top 2 rounds, and depth through every round.

But these 3 guys this year in that late 1st early 2nd range are better than last years group. Very underrated players right now.

Nah

I just finished watching the movie that PE.com put out across their social sites and one thing I took away is that a healthy Nakobe Dean would be an enormous addition to this team. One of the first soundbites is from Nick Sirianni in a team meeting telling Nakobe Dean that he's the vocal leader of this defense and how important he is. Then watching highlights, Dean was around so many negative yardage and momentum changing plays. That's exactly what he was at UGA. He still has room to improve in space, but Dean is a damn good player. I was so down on him going in to last year, but he showed out. The lack of moves at LB has me optimistic that the Eagles think he's back at 100%.