15 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I don't know how the UFL is going to last.   I'm looking at a game right now on TV and the stadium is probably 90% empty. 

 

Word of mouth I guess - didn’t even realize the UFL was on.

Free tickets, cheap beer and the NFL taking it in like the WNBA.

Just now, mattwill said:

If you believe that then the capital gains/loss for Jordan Davis is a deduction that lowers your income taxes.

Awesome

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I wonder why Howie gave up on Jalen Reagor. He had current value! 

But less value that the other alternatives Howie had at that time.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cool. Do you think he has been worth the 13th overall pick? 

I do. Look at the guys drafted in that general range, such as Green. And I would argue, he’s done his job as well or better than most of them and he’s clearly getting better.

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Cool. Do you think he has been worth the 13th overall pick? 

Sure, got to string together hits - single.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Great. Can you answer the question without setting your own narrative? I know why you can’t. 

I can answer that hypothetical question, but the answer has no meaning.  It has interest but no meaning.  

If you look at Davis from the perspective of the overall statistics about draft picks copied and pasted below, then Davis is in the 50% of 1st Round players that have developed into solid starters.  That makes my answer to your question a "yes.”

 

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/board/105323/contents/odds-of-becoming-a-quality-player-in-the-nfl-by-draft-round-211678773/#:~:text=1st round - about 50% of,developed into solid NFL starter.

 

1 minute ago, just relax said:

I do. Look at the guys drafted in that general range, such as Green. And I would argue, he’s done his job as well or better than most of them and he’s clearly getting better.

Fair enough. I don’t agree with "he’s the best of the worst” argument in theory even though it makes some sense. Especially when the guy taken after has already made two all-pro teams. 

Generally speaking, I believe the 13th overall pick should be a cornerstone you build around. Not a guy whose main defense is well, it could be worse. The fact a conversation even needs to happen about his 5th year option is enough to make him underwhelming. It should be a no brainer for someone that was almost a top 10 pick. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Derek Barnett!!!

 

Nick Sirianni told the team (and no shock here) that the team passing game is AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith and Dallas Goedert. If that's the case, and like many are saying that Goedert is gone, I can see the Eagles going all in on Tyler Warren. You're going to get an instant top TE at a very affordable cost. 

We talk a lot about having top paid players across the board and it's just not sustainable. RG and TE are the opportunities to have starters locked in at a discounted rate for the next couple of seasons. RG might see a decline in talent, but TE could see a potential upgrade if a guy like Warren is brought in.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Fair enough. I don’t agree with "he’s the best of the worst” argument in theory even though it makes some sense. Especially when the guy taken after has already made two all-pro teams. 

Generally speaking, I believe the 13th overall pick should be a cornerstone you build around. Not a guy whose main defense is well, it could be worse. The fact a conversation even needs to happen about his 5th year option is enough to make him underwhelming. It should be a no brainer for someone that was almost a top 10 pick. 

Fair enough. And that belief comes in very handy in evaluating some of the players in this year’s Draft.  

I feel like they should pick up he 5th year option.  The way DT salaries have exploded Davis' 5th year option for 2026 is not crazy.  If they let him walk after 2025 he will receive a very nice contract from a team that the Eagles couldn't match.  If I'm Davis agent I would hope the Eagles do not pick up the 5th year option and would also not sign a home town discount extension.  He will get paid by somebody.

Good conversations today!  Clear evidence of why this is the best message board in the NFL.  The whole is greater than the sum of its parts!

6 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

I feel like they should pick up he 5th year option.  The way DT salaries have exploded Davis' 5th year option for 2026 is not crazy.

Indeed, his 5th year option is a bargain when compared to what his replacement cost would be.

With that said, a newly drafted NT would be less expensive. But would also come with some risk. Here are the top rated NTs.  Which ones do you  believe are good values? … better value than Davis in his 5th year contract terms?

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I can answer that hypothetical question, but the answer has no meaning.  It has interest but no meaning.  

If you look at Davis from the perspective of the overall statistics about draft picks copied and pasted below, then Davis is in the 50% of 1st Round players that have developed into solid starters.  That makes my answer to your question a "yes.”

 

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/board/105323/contents/odds-of-becoming-a-quality-player-in-the-nfl-by-draft-round-211678773/#:~:text=1st round - about 50% of,developed into solid NFL starter.

And you realize there is a big difference between pick #13 and #32, correct? 

You gave RTK crap about posting some randoms thoughts about Howie drafting and RAS scores but now you’re using some random on a Browns message board as a source of fact. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And you realize there is a big difference between pick #13 and #32, correct? 

You gave RTK crap about posting some randoms thoughts about Howie drafting and RAS scores but now you’re using some random on a Browns message board as a source of fact. 

Not a source of fact.  A source of statistics.

Further, in this 2025 Draft how much difference in value is there between player #13 and player #32 and player # 50?  Drafts from year to year vary.  This year the experts’ consensus is that we have a pear shaped draft … "thin at the top, and wide in the middle”

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You gave RTK crap about posting some randoms thoughts about Howie drafting and RAS scores but now you’re using some random on a Browns message board as a source of fact. 

I gave RTK crap about posting random thoughts about Lurie’s cash situation.  

10 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Indeed, his 5th year option is a bargain when compared to what his replacement cost would be.

With that said, a newly drafted NT would be less expensive. But would also come with some risk. Here are the top rated NTs.  Which ones do you  believe are good values? … better value than Davis in his 5th year contract terms?

Grant would interest me in the first round.  Williams in the second.

If we are talking about DTs and not necessarily NTs, the two DTs that interest me would be Nolen and Harmon.  I believe both would require a trade up which I would be for if the price isn't too high.  I would prefer a DT in the first round over an Edge.. Carter, Davis. Ojomo and Nolen/Harmon would be a heck of a rotation.  I don't believe they can play Carter next year as much as this year.  Sure he is young and strong but playing 90% of the snaps will take a toll down the line.

43 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I can answer that hypothetical question, but the answer has no meaning.  It has interest but no meaning.  

If you look at Davis from the perspective of the overall statistics about draft picks copied and pasted below, then Davis is in the 50% of 1st Round players that have developed into solid starters.  That makes my answer to your question a "yes.”

 

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/board/105323/contents/odds-of-becoming-a-quality-player-in-the-nfl-by-draft-round-211678773/#:~:text=1st round - about 50% of,developed into solid NFL starter.

You need a certain perspective to consider him a ‘starter’…he’s not.  He’s in the whatever percentage of that 50 that doesn’t become a solid starter but becomes a solid role player.

7 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

Grant would interest me in the first round.  Williams in the second.

If we are talking about DTs and not necessarily NTs, the two DTs that interest me would be Nolen and Harmon.  I believe both would require a trade up which I would be for if the price isn't too high.  I would prefer a DT in the first round over an Edge.. Carter, Davis. Ojomo and Nolen/Harmon would be a heck of a rotation.  I don't believe they can play Carter next year as much as this year.  Sure he is young and strong but playing 90% of the snaps will take a toll down the line.

I don’t want to carry 2 NTs, so getting a 3T for the rotation and the eventual replacement for Ojomo seems preferable. Harmon in the 1st, but that seems unlikely… bunch of guys on Day 2.

I know the FO looked at the NT from Florida, kind of figured that might be a practice squad play or maybe giving JD something to think about in terms of signing an extension.

Working on an Eagles centric big board, but not sure who to include on it. Feels trite to put someone like Abdul Carter on it, but after him it feels like everyone else could maybe be in play. Probably not guys like Green, Mykel Williams, some others, but I don't think they are 100% out of the question. No one thought Nolan Smith would be there in 2023 at the end of the first round and he was. I think a guy like Green or Williams has somewhere in the same ball park likelihood of falling. Green because of character issues, Williams because teams are split on him. Also a guy like Jalon Walker and Jihaad Campbell.

Maybe I'll just do everyone but the top 5 guys considering after that, the first round is very same-y.

56 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Nick Sirianni told the team (and no shock here) that the team passing game is AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith and Dallas Goedert. If that's the case, and like many are saying that Goedert is gone, I can see the Eagles going all in on Tyler Warren. You're going to get an instant top TE at a very affordable cost. 

We talk a lot about having top paid players across the board and it's just not sustainable. RG and TE are the opportunities to have starters locked in at a discounted rate for the next couple of seasons. RG might see a decline in talent, but TE could see a potential upgrade if a guy like Warren is brought in.

TE=/=RG

 

Taking a TE that early is only beaten in stupidity by taking a K that early

37 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I gave RTK crap about posting random thoughts about Lurie’s cash situation.  

No it was specifically someone that tweeted that Howie cares less about RAS scores and drafts them at a lower rate. It’s the same thing as some random message board poster arbitrarily applying percentages to first round picks becoming solid NFL starters with the main source of fact being "trust me bro”.

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

How full or empty a stadium is is largely irrelevant.  How large the TV audience is is what is relevant.

Any idea what the TV ratings are?

I'd imagine if the games are practically empty there can't be much of a TV audience either.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Word of mouth I guess - didn’t even realize the UFL was on.

Free tickets, cheap beer and the NFL taking it in like the WNBA.

I didn't either.  Was watching a college basketball show on espn and it came on afterward.