How many Howie's?

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 https://x.com/CameronWolfe/status/1906685485331681614 

 

The tweet was McDaniel saying he'd like to be on a hot seat like Sirriani last year but my post is this:
Doesn't it look like the head of the guy in purple is photoshopped on?

 

Yeah... that's creepy.

39 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I'm thinking one of each is on the shopping list. 

We carried 5 DE/OLBs last year?

Nolan-Jalyx-draftee-draftee-Vet (Ojulari/Uche/Huff/Johnson)

Theoretically, a lot of competition for the last spot or the risk of cutting a draft pick.  I like competition, just not jazzed about using/losing a draftee in TC like Dylan McMahon.

23 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Old buddy Reich gets a job.

I mean they have to have somebody lined up that for some reason can't take the job right now right? Otherwise make it make sense for me that they are going to search next year and not now.

Wish I didn’t take a RB that high when Blue was still available late

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

We carried 5 DE/OLBs last year?

Nolan-Jalyx-draftee-draftee-Vet (Ojulari/Uche/Huff/Johnson)

Theoretically, a lot of competition for the last spot or the risk of cutting a draft pick.  I like competition, just not jazzed about using/losing a draftee in TC like Dylan McMahon.

Huff is going to be on the roster, his contract more or less guarantees that, I think Ojulari has a real shot, and maybe the idea that Uche is here to play linebacker isn't as far fetched as it sounds. I do expect a DE / Edge in the draft though.

9 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

When drafting that high you expect both quantity and quality.  We're only getting 1 of those, hence the hullabaloo about him.

Respectfully, the hullabaloo is again looking backwards, trying to change history.  However, ManuManu also engaged the forward looking aspect by saying that Davis’ 5th year option should not be exercised.  If that is done, Davis’ infield production … both the quantity and quality of that production has to be replaced.  

For the purposes of discussion, let’s stipulate that Davis brings nothing to pass defense, and focus on his impact on the production of opposing Running Backs in the 1st Quarter of each 2024 game.  The game films clearly show, and the statistics sheets clearly support that the opposing Offensive Coordinators were unable to get or keep Fangio and the Eagles Defense off balance with an effective Running Game.  The most effective and productive plays that added rushing yards to the stat sheet weren’t rushing plays at all, they were passing plays where the QB was able to effectively scramble.

Davis was the effective presence in the trenches at the heart of that.  Take his quality snaps out of the equation on running plays and the Eagles defense becomes considerably different … especially in the 1st Quarter.  And more than likely a greater number of opposing Offenses are not forced to become one dimensional.

JMO

Just now, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Huff is going to be on the roster, his contract more or less guarantees that, I think Ojulari has a real shot, and maybe the idea that Uche is here to play linebacker isn't as far fetched as it sounds. I do expect a DE / Edge in the draft though.

Agreed on all points - which makes taking 2 edge players in the draft somewhat of a logjam unless we're planning on stashing one of them on IR or carrying more DE slots on the roster. 

9 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I mean they have to have somebody lined up that for some reason can't take the job right now right? Otherwise make it make sense for me that they are going to search next year and not now.

And it seems very unsettling for the kids and the staff to just be on a one-year system.  Very odd

10 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not ignoring quality, but quantity matters. Put it another way, if you’re gonna pay $13M for 40-45 percent of the snaps for what is basically only a run-down defender, wouldn’t you be better served to take that money and and spend, say, $5-6M for 75 percent of the quality and use the leftover money for an every down (or close to it) player?

We will have to agree to disagree.  As I explained to Iggles_Phan three comments above this one to you, I believe in the case of Davis quality trumps quantity.

JMO

If W. Nolen is the penetrating DT the scouting says he is, can't see him making it to 32 or into day two.  Pats just paid $104 million for one of those guys in Williams.  

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

HE, we were talking about Stewart’s PR ability and Kollman posted some numbers…

Pass rush win rates against true pass sets in their last year of college:

Maxx Crosby - 31.7% 
Myles Garrett - 28.8%
Micah Parsons - 23.8% (as a linebacker)
Greg Rousseau - 21.6%
———————
Shemar Stewart - 20.7%
Rashan Gary - 16.5%
Travon Walker - 13.5%
 

Michigan EDGE Josaiah Stewart has emerged as one of the most dominant pass rushers in the 2025 NFL Draft class, earning the distinction of having the highest pass rush win percentage. Stewart posted an impressive 27.3%-win rate, surpassing other top-level rushers, including potential lottery pick Abdul Carter from Penn State. Despite often being described as undersized compared to other EDGE rushers, Stewart’s speed and agility around the edge have made him nearly impossible to block

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-football-josaiah-stewart-has-highest-win-rate-nfl-draft#:~:text=Stewart posted an impressive 27.3,him nearly impossible to block.

Phillies getting some new torpedo bats?  Heard some of the guys might be using them this week

15 minutes ago, mattwill said:

We will have to agree to disagree.  As I explained to Iggles_Phan three comments above this one to you, I believe in the case of Davis quality trumps quantity.

JMO

If the Eagles want Davis in 2026 they have to exercies his 5th year option as some tema will offer him big money the Eagles won't match.  That is the reality of free agency and the DT position.  The idea that the Eagles should let Davis play out 2025 and then work out a contract with him is fantasy.  Nobody on this board a year ago (and maybe the entire NFL) would have predicted Milt Willaims would sign for 1/3 of what he signed for.  

Andy Reid the latest loser to come out on record. Guess we should just ban the QB sneak all together since his fragile QB can't do them after he dislocated his knee cap on an attempt a few years back.

 

 

 

 

 

41 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Wish I didn’t take a RB that high when Blue was still available late

Yup, that ruined your entire draft. Do it again 

My guess is the tush push will be legal for one more season. Eventually, someone will get hurt during the play and that will be their reasoning for banning it even though I’ve never seen any stats that say there are more injuries than normal on that play. 

Obviously, the Eagles wouldn’t run it if their own players were getting hurt. 

Good video of the 10 best Hurts passes from his rookie year.  Wasn't a fan of him being drafted by the Eagles at all but I was after his rookie season where he flashed enough that I knew he'd be able to become the Championship QB he is today.

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Phillies getting some new torpedo bats?  Heard some of the guys might be using them this week

 

 

This tush push ban is such hot garbage.  Not one person has had an injury (unless we're talking Chris Jones neck boo boo from lining up sideways).  There is pushing forward on almost every play.  Andy is going to vote against it even after he hears from the medical team because they won't risk with with the golden boy.  Meanwhile he will employ 42 women beaters, etc.

 

 

19 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Respectfully, the hullabaloo is again looking backwards, trying to change history.  However, ManuManu also engaged the forward looking aspect by saying that Davis’ 5th year option should not be exercised.  If that is done, Davis’ infield production … both the quantity and quality of that production has to be replaced.  

For the purposes of discussion, let’s stipulate that Davis brings nothing to pass defense, and focus on his impact on the production of opposing Running Backs in the 1st Quarter of each 2024 game.  The game films clearly show, and the statistics sheets clearly support that the opposing Offensive Coordinators were unable to get or keep Fangio and the Eagles Defense off balance with an effective Running Game.  The most effective and productive plays that added rushing yards to the stat sheet weren’t rushing plays at all, they were passing plays where the QB was able to effectively scramble.

Davis was the effective presence in the trenches at the heart of that.  Take his quality snaps out of the equation on running plays and the Eagles defense becomes considerably different … especially in the 1st Quarter.  And more than likely a greater number of opposing Offenses are not forced to become one dimensional.

JMO

Put a number on what the value for that is.  What does it cost to add a similar player?  How easily can they be found on the free agent market or in which round of the draft?  Is the cost to replace him, lower than the 5th year option?   I'm going to guess that's @ManuManu's reasoning.   It would be mine as well.  

But, in terms of evaluating whether or not he was a 'good pick', his draft status matters and needs to be evaluated in terms of how to approach the upcoming and future drafts.   You seem to think that there's no value in assessing the past.  That's folly.  Whatever process went into the selection of Davis and the decision to move up for him needs to be assessed and the largest element in that evaluation is what his actual production has been over the past 3 years.  In short... it hasn't been good enough to warrant that selection.  Would it have been a better utilization of resources to select, say... Kyle Hamilton at that spot and look to fill in the NT position with a different option?   His rookie year they brought in Linval Joseph and Ndamukung Suh, in part because he wasn't providing enough.  When they came in, his snaps dropped off dramatically.  So, his rookie season, he provided almost nothing and frankly, had they not selected him, they STILL could have brought in Suh and Joseph and gotten the same result.   In 2023, resigning Joseph certainly sits as an option.  He signed here in 2022 for just over $2M and signed in Buffalo for 2023 for ever so slightly more than that and a full season for the Cowboys in 2024.  And the cost to the cap alone was higher for Davis, not even counting the cost to draft him.   Did he actually return a higher value than Joseph?   He didn't in 2022, I feel very confident in that assertion.   I'm not sure about 2023 and 2024... that's hard to evaluate, especially when he played on such a bad team in 2024.  He played 35% of the snaps for the Bills for the time he was active.   That's less than Davis in 2023, but about the same as 2024.

 

So, the question really comes down to this:  How much is Davis really worth in that role?  The league seems to think that the value is rather low for a run stuffing NT.  I've got no issue resigning him... but at the proper cost.  His 5th year option would be way out of range of that ($12.9M - projected by OTC).

https://overthecap.com/fifth-year-option-projections#google_vignette

 

45 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Phillies getting some new torpedo bats?  Heard some of the guys might be using them this week

They said on WIP a "veteran player" talked to the company that makes them during the off season, thought it was a fad, and dismissed them.  Said after this weekend he will be calling them.

31 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

If the Eagles want Davis in 2026 they have to exercies his 5th year option as some tema will offer him big money the Eagles won't match.  That is the reality of free agency and the DT position.  The idea that the Eagles should let Davis play out 2025 and then work out a contract with him is fantasy.  Nobody on this board a year ago (and maybe the entire NFL) would have predicted Milt Willaims would sign for 1/3 of what he signed for.  

If Davis has the production that Williams did, especially in the post-season, he'd have earned it (even if its overvalued).  But, of course, Milton also played way more snaps than Davis last year...  so, he proved himself to be more valuable as well.

No way do I resign Davis at the 5th year option level projected of nearly $13M!   That's insane.   Vita Vea is getting about $20M, and he's a way better player in that role than Davis, and can offer much more in a pass rush.  There's no way that I give Davis even half of Vea's contract.

34 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Andy Reid the latest loser to come out on record. Guess we should just ban the QB sneak all together since his fragile QB can't do them after he dislocated his knee cap on an attempt a few years back.

 

 

 

 

 

Maybe coach your players not to line up sideways 🤷‍♂️