9 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

If Trump wasn’t in a million pictures with convicted sex traffickers Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell I would probably still dislike him. You got me there.

Yeah, you would. And once this dies down and is disproven like Russia Russia Russia you'll have your pitchfork ready to jump to the next BS thing because you all are the coyote and you think you are going to catch the roadrunner. You aren't.

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Crying....crying....crying.....you got nothing and don't want to stop yelling pedo because you are deranged.

Again...the victims said nope....Barr who hates him said nope....not even Obama and Biden had crap to leak. You got nothing but your crying

May every day be another wonderful secret, diehard!

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

once this dies down

Nah, we'll remind you every chance we get that you voted for someone who raped kids That's your legacy now, lil bro.

8 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Nah, we'll remind you every chance we get that you voted for someone who raped kids That's your legacy now, lil bro.

You'll keep saying it but it will be as fake then as it is now but your psyche is so demented you need it to be true because you are an angry little dude

Me: Dude even the victims and Barr said there was nothing on top of her last week and Biden and Obama not having crap to leak

You:

17 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

May every day be another wonderful secret, diehard!

Wait a minute, there are actually people who believe a scum bag human being who recruited, groomed, and participated in sexually assaulting young girls? They believe a POS who is in prison for lying under oath? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 not a cult. 🤣🤣🤣😎😎

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Kids were raped. And you voted for the piece of garbage that did it. Sorry, not gonna let that go.

18 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dude even the victims and Barr said there was nothing on top of her last week and Biden and Obama not having crap to leak

I'm sure this made plenty of sense in your head, Shakespeare.

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Kids were raped. And you voted for the piece of garbage that did it. Sorry, not gonna let that go.

You can't let it go cause you are a weak little guy who has to have it be true because you have to catch the roadrunner!

58 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Wait a minute, there are actually people who believe a scum bag human being who recruited, groomed, and participated in sexually assaulting young girls? They believe a POS who is in prison for lying under oath? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 not a cult. 🤣🤣🤣😎😎

On her own? No. Keep up, though. It's now the victims, Barr, and her. What do you have? Hatred for the guy. That's it. I keep saying it and I know why you all ignore it, but they literally made up an entire Russia hoax to get him and you all want people to believe they had stuff showing he hurt kids and held onto that and spent time making stuff up instead. Delusional, desperate, anger, and hatred are driving that train.

What about this victim?

Was Jessica Leeds lying?

What about Kristen Anderson?

Or what about Stacey Williams, the 27th female to accuse trump of sexual assault/harassment. Was every single one of them lying?

2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

What about this victim?

2 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

What about this victim?

Cool. Let's ask Grok

The claims made by "Katie Johnson" (also referred to as "Jane Doe" in some filings) against Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, alleging sexual assault in 1994 when she was 13, have been widely discussed but lack corroboration and have significant issues that undermine their credibility. Below is an analysis based on available information that addresses why these claims have been questioned or considered disproven by various sources:

1. Dismissal of Lawsuits for Legal Deficiencies:

   • The initial lawsuit filed in April 2016 in California (Katie Johnson v. Donald J. Trump, 5:16-cv-00797) was dismissed by U.S. District Court Judge Dolly Gee in May 2016. The dismissal was due to the complaint failing to cite valid claims under federal law, specifically noting that the cited criminal statute did not allow for civil damages and the civil statute applied only to "race-based or class-based animus."

   • Subsequent lawsuits filed in New York in June and September 2016 were also withdrawn or dismissed. The final lawsuit was voluntarily dropped in November 2016, with no further legal action pursued.

2. Questionable Origins and Orchestration:

   • The lawsuits were linked to Norm Lubow, a former producer for The Jerry Springer Show, who used the pseudonym "Al Taylor" to promote the claims. Lubow has a history of making disputed allegations against celebrities, including O.J. Simpson and Kurt Cobain, which raises questions about the motives behind the lawsuits. Investigative reporting by Snopes and The Guardian identified Lubow's involvement as a significant red flag, suggesting the claims may have been orchestrated for political or sensational purposes.

   • Lubow confirmed to Snopes in 2024 that he aided the accuser in filing and promoting the claims, further casting doubt on their authenticity due to his track record of creating salacious drama.

3. Lack of Corroborating Evidence:

   • The lawsuits relied heavily on the anonymous plaintiff’s testimony and two anonymous declarations (from "Tiffany Doe" and another woman), but no verifiable evidence was presented in court. The accuser provided no corroborative proof, such as physical evidence or named witnesses, to substantiate the claims.

   • Journalist Emily Shugerman, who interviewed "Katie Johnson" for Revelist, expressed doubts about whether Johnson was a real person, citing inconsistencies and a lack of verifiable details.

   • The address provided by Johnson in Twentynine Palms, California, was reported by Radar Online to have been foreclosed and vacant, further undermining her credibility.

4. Daily Mail’s Reporting on Fabrication:

   • In November 2016, the Daily Mail reported that "Katie Johnson’s" allegations were fabricated, citing a source with knowledge of the case who stated that new information emerged showing inconsistencies in her story. The source specifically noted that "Donald Trump’s name had been inserted into this, he was not involved whatsoever." The article emphasized that the lawsuit was dropped not due to threats or a payoff, but because the claims unraveled under scrutiny.

5. Timing and Political Context:

   • The lawsuits were filed during the 2016 presidential election, raising suspicions of political motivation. The timing, combined with the involvement of anti-Trump figures like Steve Baer, a "Never Trump" activist, and the lack of follow-through after the election, led many to question the claims’ legitimacy.

   • The plaintiff’s sudden cancellation of a planned press conference in November 2016, citing alleged threats, and her subsequent disappearance from public view, further fueled skepticism. Attorney Lisa Bloom, who was briefly involved, cited threats but provided no evidence to substantiate them, and the case was dropped shortly after.

6. Trump’s Denials and Lack of New Evidence:

   • Trump and his legal team consistently denied the allegations, calling them "categorically untrue" and a "hoax" intended to influence the 2016 election.

   • No new evidence has emerged since 2016 to support the claims, despite extensive public and legal scrutiny of both Trump and Epstein. The so-called "Epstein Files" released in 2024 and 2025 contain no new allegations of wrongdoing by Trump related to Johnson’s claims.

7. Social Media Misinformation:

   • Posts on X and other platforms have periodically revived the allegations, often misrepresenting the dismissed 2016 lawsuit as new or connected to unrelated Epstein documents. These posts, such as those from 2024 and 2025, lack credible evidence and rely on viral outrage rather than substantiated facts.

Conclusion:The "Katie Johnson" claims against Donald Trump lack credible evidence, were dismissed or withdrawn multiple times for legal and procedural reasons, and were promoted by individuals with questionable motives. The Daily Mail’s reporting, combined with the absence of corroborating evidence, the plaintiff’s anonymity, and inconsistencies in her story, strongly suggests the allegations were fabricated or at least unverifiable. While the lack of definitive proof does not conclusively disprove the claims, the significant issues outlined above—legal dismissals, dubious origins, and no substantiation—render them highly questionable and unsupported by the available record

3 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Was Jessica Leeds lying?

What about Kristen Anderson?

Have nothing on the kid stuff so we are switching to adult allegations to prove the fake kid stuff 😂😂

Jessica Leeds accused Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her on an airplane in the late 1970s, alleging he groped and tried to kiss her without consent. Disproving her allegations outright is difficult due to the absence of definitive evidence from an incident decades ago, and no court has ruled directly on her claim. Here are points raised by Trump’s campaign and supporters to challenge her account:

1. Lack of Corroboration: Leeds testified she didn’t report the incident to authorities or tell anyone at the time, citing the era’s dismissive culture toward such complaints. Without contemporary reports or witnesses, her account relies solely on her testimony, which critics argue weakens its credibility.

2. Inconsistent Timeline and Details: Trump’s team has highlighted potential inconsistencies in Leeds’ story. She placed the incident in 1978 or 1979 but was unsure of the exact date or flight origin (Dallas or Atlanta). Critics, including Trump, argue this lack of precision undermines her story’s reliability.

3. Anthony Gilberthorpe’s Claim: Anthony Gilberthorpe, a British man, claimed to be on the same flight and saw "nothing untoward,” describing Leeds as "flirtatious” with Trump. His credibility is questionable, however, due to his history of unproven allegations and involvement in political controversies, which limits the weight of his account.

4. Trump’s Denials and Timing: Trump has denied the allegations, calling them "totally made-up” and a "fabrication.” He and supporters suggest Leeds’ decision to come forward in 2016, close to the presidential election, indicates political motives, possibly tied to opposing campaigns. A 2017 X post claimed Leeds had a prior property dispute with Trump and ties to a rival campaign, but no verifiable evidence supports these assertions.

5. Cultural Context Argument: Leeds explained she didn’t report the incident at the time because "men could basically get away with a lot” in the 1970s. Critics use this to question why she waited until 2016, though she said she was prompted by Trump’s denials of similar behavior during a 2016 debate.

No direct evidence, like flight records or additional witnesses, has been publicly verified to confirm or refute Leeds’ account. Arguments against her rely on skepticism about her motives, timing, and lack of contemporaneous corroboration rather than conclusive disproof. The matter remains unresolved due to the lack of definitive evidence on either side.

13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Have nothing on the kid stuff so we are switching to adult allegations to prove the fake kid stuff 😂😂

Jessica Leeds accused Donald Trump of sexually assaulting her on an airplane in the late 1970s, alleging he groped and tried to kiss her without consent. Disproving her allegations outright is difficult due to the absence of definitive evidence from an incident decades ago, and no court has ruled directly on her claim. Here are points raised by Trump’s campaign and supporters to challenge her account:

1. Lack of Corroboration: Leeds testified she didn’t report the incident to authorities or tell anyone at the time, citing the era’s dismissive culture toward such complaints. Without contemporary reports or witnesses, her account relies solely on her testimony, which critics argue weakens its credibility.

2. Inconsistent Timeline and Details: Trump’s team has highlighted potential inconsistencies in Leeds’ story. She placed the incident in 1978 or 1979 but was unsure of the exact date or flight origin (Dallas or Atlanta). Critics, including Trump, argue this lack of precision undermines her story’s reliability.

3. Anthony Gilberthorpe’s Claim: Anthony Gilberthorpe, a British man, claimed to be on the same flight and saw "nothing untoward,” describing Leeds as "flirtatious” with Trump. His credibility is questionable, however, due to his history of unproven allegations and involvement in political controversies, which limits the weight of his account.

4. Trump’s Denials and Timing: Trump has denied the allegations, calling them "totally made-up” and a "fabrication.” He and supporters suggest Leeds’ decision to come forward in 2016, close to the presidential election, indicates political motives, possibly tied to opposing campaigns. A 2017 X post claimed Leeds had a prior property dispute with Trump and ties to a rival campaign, but no verifiable evidence supports these assertions.

5. Cultural Context Argument: Leeds explained she didn’t report the incident at the time because "men could basically get away with a lot” in the 1970s. Critics use this to question why she waited until 2016, though she said she was prompted by Trump’s denials of similar behavior during a 2016 debate.

No direct evidence, like flight records or additional witnesses, has been publicly verified to confirm or refute Leeds’ account. Arguments against her rely on skepticism about her motives, timing, and lack of contemporaneous corroboration rather than conclusive disproof. The matter remains unresolved due to the lack of definitive evidence on either side.

At least 27 women, but you have an excuse for them all! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

At least 27 women, but you have an excuse for them all! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Again, switching to adult allegations because you have nothing on the kids. Proving my thing about you have nothing but hatred and anger :)

Another great day in the office. Fing with MAGA morons has been fun today. Tomorrow morning, my wife and I are taking Amtrak to Philly to catch the Acela to Boston for the week. I have a lot to be thankful for, but not supporting a POS rapist might be at the top of the list.

Oh yeah, we also froze about 13 dozen ears of good ole lancaster county sweet corn today. 😎

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Again, switching to adult allegations because you have nothing on the kids. Proving my thing about you have nothing but hatred and anger :)

Yes that what you are proving.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

Another great day in the office. Fing with MAGA morons has been fun today. Tomorrow morning, my wife and I are taking Amtrak to Philly to catch the Acela to Boston for the week. I have a lot to be thankful for, but not supporting a POS rapist might be at the top of the list.

Another great day in the office crapping yourself and thinking it's winning 😂

Everybody on this message board except Die Hard knows why the Epstein Files were not released.

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

Yes that what you are proving.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You can't even keep up with that head of yours. You proved it and did the work for me.

Just now, Dave Moss said:

Everybody on this message board except Die Hard knows why the Epstein Files were not released.

No, only the mentally ill, deranged people. Even one of your own said he didn't think there was anything in it yesterday before going after him for other reasons. Some of you are so desperate lol

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, only the mentally ill, deranged people. Even one of your own said he didn't think there was anything in it yesterday before going after him for other reasons. Some of you are so desperate lol

At least we still have some judges in the legal system with some sense

Judge Berman sniffed out Trump’s b.s.