11 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Just something I wanted to put out there on Hurts. It took some time, but I think the FO, coaching staff at large, Siri, and Hurts himself figured out how to use Hurts last year.

It was an uncomfortable settling process. Hurts is not a traditional NFL qb. (Duh). But that’s not because he’s not Peyton Manning. The benchmark for traditional has moved. Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen are now traditional NFL QBs. Flickable arm talent, athleticism primarily aimed at generating improvisational off balance throws that elude the edge rush….and, this part like Peyton/Brady….often dropping back and using that talent to throw the ball 35-40 times per game.

That simply isn’t Jalen Hurts. We all tried to force that square peg through that round hole in 2021, did so with some degree of success in 2022, then again with more modest results in 2023, and then again with poor results in the first few games of 2024. When you utilize him in that fashion, he turns the ball over too much, makes uncomfortable and poor decisions, and generally doesn’t make the most of his opportunities in the passing offense.

What Hurts thrives with…a vintage Hurts game:

• 40-60 yards of physical north-south running against fronts that drop into coverage leaving a soft middle, almost all runs going for first downs

• Multiple tush push conversions

• Conservative, low volume, turnover free short range passing.

• 1-2 effective, accurate deep rainbows for the back breaker.

  That’s his game. He can be the engineer of an elite offense in doing that. He and the team proved they can win a SB with that. I don’t think that works in back and forth shootouts or big deficits for come-from-behind victories…but he’s paired with a defense that didn’t allow that to happen anyway.

  It takes some discipline and a little irreverence for convention to manage your QB and run your offense that way. It took them a little while to figure out that’s how they had to do it. It does lean on the defense to avoid putting them in positions that force them to depart from that, but it’s working. That’s a big credit to Sirianni…it may not take a genius or an AR/Mcvay type mind to run this offense, but it does take a unique blend of insight, flexibility, and steadfast commitment (something those coaches may not have) to pull it off.

How much of that is just their Olines not being great at blocking and giving them time? Chiefs have had struggles recently which cost them SBs

Allen likes to break tackles and surprisingly hasn't got injured that much from it

The new generation definitely struggles with just throwing the ball away to live another down. Majority want to extend the play

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Fangio seemed to have something to do with CJ being traded. He was "fine with it”… yeah if Fangio wanted him to stay, they would have made it work.

I'll bet Fangio wanted Milton Williams to stay. Love Fangio, but this idea that he is some kind of Godfather and he just has to give a wink for a player to stay or go is a bit ridiculous. I think he said he's fine with CJGJ going because he knows that the money saved will help keep Carter and Smith in the future, and helped keep Baun now. He's a pro coach for 4 decades, he is filled with pragmatism.

16 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Excellent.

Couple of things to ponder.

3. Re: Patullo. I ponder a couple of things coming out of the OTAs. Was Hurts and the OL contact the reason they went so run heavy. Was it some combination of Saquon AND Moore’s tendency to call runs. He has done a bit of that in the past. Remember when Nick (a background as a receivers coach) was calling plays and he was too pass happy? Will Patullo (a receivers coach) suffer from Nick’s tendency or over compensate with running a bunch.

Missing from the list but implied a bit with 1. and 5., how will Saquon hold up?

Speaking of WRs, I noticed the beats said Wilson, Cooks and Jenkins all weren’t seen at the OTAs yesterday. That’s the three big receivers. (They can call Jenkins a TE, but anyone watching him block knows he’s still the big, slow WR he was in college.). Personally given all three have problems with concentration drops, I just hope they were out of sight working with a Jugs. But in all seriousness, I wonder if Nick’s obsession with a big WR has diminished or Patullo doesn’t share it. The UDFAs are all midsize guys with speed and I think the Ainias Smith and Wilson positions are open and one of them doesn’t have to be a big WR. (Calcaterra did well doing what that position is normally for.).

After seeing that Danny Gray was doing some kick return reps, I wouldn’t be surprised if he takes one of those spots.

9. I found it very interesting that Fangio mentioned McCollum. Really looking forward to the S battle.

Further on the Saquon topic, my 11th reason would have been teams loading up on him. Jim Schwartz, Tomlin, and Spags all seemed to be able to slow him down. Our opponents will study those schemes. It would put the onus on the passing game, which never really showed itself to be consistent last season.

The hardest positions, as an amateur without access to film from colleges, for me to evaluate coming out of college are the DBs, especially the corners but the Ss can be invisible a lot on TV in college because of their depth. I found interesting from the interview with Ringo was the answer to the question from one of the Beats about his coming out of college early. I think the Beat was insinuating that if he stayed and got more playing time in college that he would be better prepared. Ringo’s answer was impressive. He talked about how college CB is so different because of the rules and that he benefited by coming out and getting pro coaching on how to play the position as a pro. My biggest concern with Ringo is he hasn’t shown the contact that is allowed in the pros but that started to change last year. I chalked that up to be the Q effect with some Coop thrown in but I suspect that is the Parker and Anderson effect with some Kasper thrown in teaching them all the little nuances of the game.

46 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Further on the Saquon topic, my 11th reason would have been teams loading up on him. Jim Schwartz, Tomlin, and Spags all seemed to be able to slow him down. Our opponents will study those schemes. It would put the onus on the passing game, which never really showed itself to be consistent last season.

Did Spags really slow down Barkley, or did he just sell out completely and leave the back end of his defense out to dry?

Which player will lead the Eagles in sacks this year?

3 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Which player will lead the Eagles in sacks this year?

Nolan Smith

36 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Which player will lead the Eagles in sacks this year?

Jalen Hurts.

19 hours ago, TEW said:

I’d say Vick was significantly more accurate than McNabb. He could actually hit guys in stride on short and intermediate routes which McNabb never seemed capable of doing — it seemed like he always threw low. Obviously his decision making, both on and off the field, was his Achilles heel, particularly in Atlanta.

It’s a shame how Vick started his career because he was truly the most jaw dropping talent I’ve ever seen. If he had his head on right from the start he could have been so incredibly special.

I think there is a tendency to remember Vick's highlights and McNabb's lowlights. If Vick had gotten the kind of coaching he needed early in his career, I am sure he would have been a much better QB.

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think there is a tendency to remember Vick's highlights and McNabb's lowlights. If Vick had gotten the kind of coaching he needed early in his career, I am sure he would have been a much better QB.

Yeah, I think people forget the mess of a QB situation the decade before McNabb arrived. He made us contenders.

43 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Which player will lead the Eagles in sacks this year?

Jordan Davis with 8.5.

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

The hardest positions, as an amateur without access to film from colleges, for me to evaluate coming out of college are the DBs, especially the corners but the Ss can be invisible a lot on TV in college because of their depth. I found interesting from the interview with Ringo was the answer to the question from one of the Beats about his coming out of college early. I think the Beat was insinuating that if he stayed and got more playing time in college that he would be better prepared. Ringo’s answer was impressive. He talked about how college CB is so different because of the rules and that he benefited by coming out and getting pro coaching on how to play the position as a pro. My biggest concern with Ringo is he hasn’t shown the contact that is allowed in the pros but that started to change last year. I chalked that up to be the Q effect with some Coop thrown in but I suspect that is the Parker and Anderson effect with some Kasper thrown in teaching them all the little nuances of the game.

I feel lost these days looking at a lot of DBs…had some crazy misses recently too. I thought Surtain was going to be a S…Christian Gonzo (though i think the level of his play has been over inflated) was gonna a complete bust. The college game has gotten weird too, it slowly over the past 10-15 years became more about brute force of having more talent on the field vs development. Even the way that D’s line up…i feel like 5 yards off is the new press.

I know you and a few others are very high on Ringo, I’m curious to see him if he does indeed end up starting (and I’m curious how they’re going to line up). From what I’ve seen, he looks good on anything breaking vertically, but he’s absolutely lost in the sauce on any horizontal breaking routes…something Slay was amazing at.

7 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I feel lost these days looking at a lot of DBs…had some crazy misses recently too. I thought Surtain was going to be a S…Christian Gonzo (though i think the level of his play has been over inflated) was gonna a complete bust. The college game has gotten weird too, it slowly over the past 10-15 years became more about brute force of having more talent on the field vs development. Even the way that D’s line up…i feel like 5 yards off is the new press.

I know you and a few others are very high on Ringo, I’m curious to see him if he does indeed end up starting (and I’m curious how they’re going to line up). From what I’ve seen, he looks good on anything breaking vertically, but he’s absolutely lost in the sauce on any horizontal breaking routes…something Slay was amazing at.

Vic should just put Adoree in on horizontal breaking routes and keep Ringo in for anything breaking vertically. Easy Breezy :)

4 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

I'll bet Fangio wanted Milton Williams to stay. Love Fangio, but this idea that he is some kind of Godfather and he just has to give a wink for a player to stay or go is a bit ridiculous. I think he said he's fine with CJGJ going because he knows that the money saved will help keep Carter and Smith in the future, and helped keep Baun now. He's a pro coach for 4 decades, he is filled with pragmatism.

No way the Eagles were paying Milton that kind of cheddar. If Fangio wanted cjgj, he’d still be here. But CJ was a pain in the arse.

2 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

Which player will lead the Eagles in sacks this year?

No player will have as many sacks as @Godfather gets to the face in a weekend

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

No way the Eagles were paying Milton that kind of cheddar. If Fangio wanted cjgj, he’d still be here. But CJ was a pain in the arse.

About Milton, exactly. Fangio wanted him(who didn't?) but cost was a factor. Pragmatism. I have no doubt if CGGJ had 1 year remaining on his contract at $3.5 million he'd be here starting next to the other middle of the road $3.5 million safety.

It's one of the greatest signings in NFL history. He's exactly what they need both on the field and to improve the locker room culture. Home run signing by the Steelers. Suddenly they're Super Bowl contenders again. And he did it all with class and under the radar, and taking his time to get right.

I honestly thought he was going to retire lol

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Jordan Davis with 8.5.

If that happens it is almost impossible to imagine how good this Defense will be.

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Sounds promising

23 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

About Milton, exactly. Fangio wanted him(who didn't?) but cost was a factor. Pragmatism. I have no doubt if CGGJ had 1 year remaining on his contract at $3.5 million he'd be here starting next to the other middle of the road $3.5 million safety.

That is clearly your opinion. Others have different opinions. They are just opinions, nothing more, nothing less.