5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I might agree with Vick but if there was no racing in either Ruggs or Carter then wouldn't there be no death as a result? Doesn't seem like many hoops to jump through to get that point

There was no racing involved in Ruggs' situation. As for the Carter situation... the other driver had BAC over double the legal limit. When anyone with BAC that high drives, there could very well be fatalities, whether there's racing or not.

11 minutes ago, Miami said:

Frustrating. Was reading that we extended Embiid in 9/24, a month before the season started (when we quietly found out he was actually hurt and could not play). Huh?

The way the Sixers are run makes me so happy when I think about the fact that the same moron is running the Washingteam. Not so scary

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There was no racing involved in Ruggs' situation. As for the Carter situation... the other driver had BAC over double the legal limit. When anyone with BAC that high drives, there could very well be fatalities, whether there's racing or not.

Not the technical term but just driving very fast. If you look at it unbiasedly then you should be able to see that some eagles fans give leeway to Carter

28 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

You don’t think it’s foolish to make a comparison between someone who killed a person and someone who was simply speeding? That dude was in here defending Ruggs right after it happened too. And to top it off calling a dog simply "property”? F that

Actually, my position isn’t to defend Ruggs but rather a reflection on how remorse, rehabilitation and likelihood of recidivism play a role how we deal with crime. I said it when the Eagles signed Vick, he had served his punishment, rehabilitated, showed remorse and demonstrated an unlikelihood of repeating the offense. That’s kind of a significant part of what criminal justice is supposed to do. So my responses are geared towards forgiveness. All indications are that Ruggs has been a model prisoner, demonstrating remorse and rehabilitation and probably has a very low risk of recidivism. I am more lenient on how long incarceration should be and probably more lenient on forgiving and affording a second chance upon release. I would have no issue with an Eagles decision to sign him upon his release.

But 101 MPH is not "simply speeding”, even in Texas. In Ohio, going more than 30 MPH over the speed limit can be charged as a felony based on my cursory research. If he was indeed racing, that could result in additional charges. He was lucky he didn’t hit anybody driving the speed limit, it could have been as catastrophic as Ruggs’ collision. And that was the point of my query. There are some posters that think Ruggs should have a much harsher sentence. What should be the sentence for similarly reckless driving but where no injury was caused quite possibly because the police intervened? I would probably be more lenient than most dependent on whether this is the first offense.

I guess you missed my comment about my cat when referencing the dog. Under the law, the death of her dog would not be treated any differently than the damage to her car in a criminal case. The dog is viewed as personal property. So is the car. There are about 8 states that allow for emotional damages in some civil cases involving injury or death to a pet, but even those tend to be capped.

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Not the technical term but just driving very fast. If you look at it unbiasedly then you should be able to see that some eagles fans give leeway to Carter

That very well could be. But, if you look at the way that each of the situations was adjudicated you can see that the legal system also considered the situations to be dramatically different. Carter got no jail time, just fines and probation. He was far from guiltless, but he wasn't operating the other vehicle... nor did he crash his vehicle. The concern I had with drafting Carter was the fear that he'd learned nothing from the situation and could end up making a similar (or worse) mistake. Fortunately, that doesn't seem to have happened and perhaps the court ordered driving course he went through might have helped... or just knowing that he did have the ability to stop his friend from even getting into the car with a drunk driver... or stopping the driver. And had anyone around them intervened and gotten them to NOT drive at all, but to Uber wherever they were going, all that could have been avoided. So, hopefully, he's grown and learned from it... the entire UGA staff as well (as apparently, this wasn't a one off thing) and others around the country as well.

9 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But 101 MPH is not "simply speeding”, even in Texas. In Ohio, going more than 30 MPH over the speed limit can be charged as a felony based on my cursory research. If he was indeed racing, that could result in additional charges. He was lucky he didn’t hit anybody driving the speed limit, it could have been as catastrophic as Ruggs’ collision. And that was the point of my query. There are some posters that think Ruggs should have a much harsher sentence. What should be the sentence for similarly reckless driving but where no injury was caused quite possibly because the police intervened? I would probably be more lenient than most dependent on whether this is the first offense.

In terms of loss of life, absolutely. But, 156 mph is dramatically more energy involved than 101 mph. The racing piece that's come out indicates that a larger penalty should be levied than merely the speeding ticket. I watched the body cam footage that was made available of the stop. The girlfriend seemed to get off clean. That's disappointing. Both should likely have suspended licenses at the least to be inconvenienced and learn that driving is a privilege, not a right. And its a privilege that can be revoked if its abused (as it was in this case by driving recklessly).

But, if we are going to use potential outcomes as the bar for which sentencing is parcelled out, then every DUI that's ever been arrested should have been charged with attempted vehicular manslaughter.

True , he is fast but he is also smaller than most FBs. He is lighter than either Dillon or Barkley.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

That very well could be. But, if you look at the way that each of the situations was adjudicated you can see that the legal system also considered the situations to be dramatically different. Carter got no jail time, just fines and probation. He was far from guiltless, but he wasn't operating the other vehicle... nor did he crash his vehicle. The concern I had with drafting Carter was the fear that he'd learned nothing from the situation and could end up making a similar (or worse) mistake. Fortunately, that doesn't seem to have happened and perhaps the court ordered driving course he went through might have helped... or just knowing that he did have the ability to stop his friend from even getting into the car with a drunk driver... or stopping the driver. And had anyone around them intervened and gotten them to NOT drive at all, but to Uber wherever they were going, all that could have been avoided. So, hopefully, he's grown and learned from it... the entire UGA staff as well (as apparently, this wasn't a one off thing) and others around the country as well.

I believe Carter has an ongoing civil case too

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I believe Carter has an ongoing civil case too

Of course, due to how he handled witnessing the crash and leaving the scene. There's a question about whether or not he could have offered aid. But, civil liability and criminal liability are very different as well. And I do wonder if he wasn't an NFL player (and hadn't been a star at UGA with NFL potential) how much the person/persons suing would actually be seeking in damages. I know that UGA has already settled at least one case, because the person driving the other vehicle was a UGA employee, and perhaps was functioning in an official capacity (I don't know if that's true or not).

Training Camp can't get here soon enough

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Training Camp can't get here soon enough

How fast will it be coming though?🤔

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I might agree with Vick but if there was no racing in either Ruggs or Carter then wouldn't there be no death as a result? Doesn't seem like many hoops to jump through to get that point

Ruggs wasn't racing, he was just drunk.

And to that point, yea sure, you CAN say if there's no race there's no death but the dude had a .197 BAC. The likelihood of him killing someone regardless of the race was already high, like Ruggs did.

22 minutes ago, devpool said:

Ruggs wasn't racing, he was just drunk.

And to that point, yea sure, you CAN say if there's no race there's no death but the dude had a .197 BAC. The likelihood of him killing someone regardless of the race was already high, like Ruggs did.

Driving fast. Semantics

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In terms of loss of life, absolutely. But, 156 mph is dramatically more energy involved than 101 mph. The racing piece that's come out indicates that a larger penalty should be levied than merely the speeding ticket. I watched the body cam footage that was made available of the stop. The girlfriend seemed to get off clean. That's disappointing. Both should likely have suspended licenses at the least to be inconvenienced and learn that driving is a privilege, not a right. And it’s a privilege that can be revoked if it’s abused (as it was in this case by driving recklessly).

To be sure, the physics of 156 MPH hitting a stopped vehicle would result in a greater impact. It is a miracle that Ruggs and his GF weren’t killed too. I saw plenty of cases where that 101 MPH impact with a 60 MPH vehicle was a significant impact so Sander’s wasn’t "simply” speeding.

Carter was charged with reckless driving and racing. He plead nolo contendre. (No contest, not an admission of guilt). He was given 12 months probation, a $1,000 fine, 80 hours of community service and a defensive driving course. Carter was driving on a suspended license at the time as a result of a speeding ticket. (Note the evidence against Carter was less because they had no proof of speed and no BAC.) With Sanders, they clocked him and his girlfriend so they actually have more evidence than in the Carter case. I expect Sanders gets a similar charge and sentence to Carter’s plus a license suspension for six months.

16 hours ago, BigEFly said:

If Sanders had rear ended a van of schoolchildren would you feel different? Your kid is 19. Sometimes young people makes foolish decisions. I would be the first in line to foregive either one of those kids. (For the grace of the Fates, that could have been me.).

And FYI, if Sanders was in Texas, there is a good chance the road he was on with a 60 MPH speed limit was identical to the 45 MPH zone that Ruggs was in. As you know, I grew up in Texas and visit there regularly. I was commenting to my FIL just a couple of weeks ago how the speed limit on the road toward his house goes from 40 to 50 right before the local high school. That 40 MPH road is just off an undivided road with a 75 MPH speed limit.

I just spent some time in Texas, I was in the Golden Triangle, Houston, the Hill Country out to Frederick, Killeen, up through Waco and the east side of Dallas and into deep east Texas. Only 60 MPH I can remember was construction between Beaumont and Houston, where the average speed was 75, only because of a slow moving log truck and around Killeen where the average speed was close to 85 MPH. Both were on interstates. Given where Sanders lives, I suspect the 60 MPH was a feeder road or a main thoroughfare, not unlike what Ruggs was on. Not excusing Ruggs, neither is he. (Texas is nuts. Since the Washington imposed 55 MPH speed limit, they have gone crazy with their speed limits, which some even exceed my level. Meanwhile they have and are fixing to make worse, the most oppressive pot laws in the country despite Toby Keith, Oklahoman, singing about smoking what we want to and Jon Pardi singing about smoking a doobie on the Guadalupe, something I have done.)

(BTW, I hope your kid is like my son. He so wanted to date his girlfriend, now fiancé, that he was willing to drive her in the backseat in high school and still drives like a grandma 14 years later. The fact he is living in VA where those fascists will jail a person for exceeding the speed limit more than 10 MPH results in jail doesn’t hurt. My daughter on the other hand inherited her mother’s lead foot. None of the drive as aggressively as me, thank the powers that be.)

In the hill country, there is a bourbon distillery, Garrison Brothers. We helped bottle over 2,000 bottles of there single barrel Red, White and Bourbon. 1,000 were destined for VA. I am going to visit my son sometime within the next month to see if I can grab a bottle we did. I love some of their stuff that you can’t get away from the distillery. The single barrel is really nice but their double barrel Balmorhea is one of those where you sip and say damn. @Texas Eagle , you really need to get to Hye.

Funny you say that I was just there 2 weeks ago. Had some small batch called Boot Flask and it was fantastic. I’ll be stopping there every time I head to Johnson City/Fredericksburg from now on.

1 hour ago, Texas Eagle said:

Funny you say that I was just there 2 weeks ago. Had some small batch called Boot Flask and it was fantastic. I’ll be stopping there every time I head to Johnson City/Fredericksburg from now on.

Try the Balmorhea. Expensive but so good. The Hill Country heat makes for really good bourbon.

Have you hit Dulce Vida? Curious if the tequila is any good. (Distilled in Jalisco but sold in Austin.)

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Try the Balmorhea. Expensive but so good. The Hill Country heat makes for really good bourbon.

Have you hit Dulce Vida? Curious if the tequila is any good. (Distilled in Jalisco but sold in Austin.)

Not yet but if/when I do I’ll let you know how it is

Do we have a new date for the Super Bowl rings?

34 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Do we have a new date for the Super Bowl rings?

I was thinking about that yesterday and looked it up but couldn’t find anything

Is there an ongoing issue with mukuba and his contract? I just saw something on Facebook that said he wanted the whole deal guaranteed

6 hours ago, BigEFly said:

To be sure, the physics of 156 MPH hitting a stopped vehicle would result in a greater impact. It is a miracle that Ruggs and his GF weren’t killed too. I saw plenty of cases where that 101 MPH impact with a 60 MPH vehicle was a significant impact so Sander’s wasn’t "simply” speeding.

Carter was charged with reckless driving and racing. He plead nolo contendre. (No contest, not an admission of guilt). He was given 12 months probation, a $1,000 fine, 80 hours of community service and a defensive driving course. Carter was driving on a suspended license at the time as a result of a speeding ticket. (Note the evidence against Carter was less because they had no proof of speed and no BAC.) With Sanders, they clocked him and his girlfriend so they actually have more evidence than in the Carter case. I expect Sanders gets a similar charge and sentence to Carter’s plus a license suspension for six months.

One thing we may want to keep in mind is biological. The prefrontal cortex—the part of the brain responsible for impulse control, long-term planning, and moral reasoning—doesn’t fully develop until a person’s mid-20s. Young people are more likely to act recklessly, respond to peer pressure, and fail to anticipate consequences. As people mature, they become more stable, more reflective, and more risk-averse.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Yea no, Saquon's snow run was easily the best. There are several Saquon runs that are better than the Dagger IMO. Without the Snow Run, we lose to the Rams. Without the Dagger, we still murder the Chiefs