14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

It's amazing how everyone is riding his D. Let them. Hype him and that team up as much as you can, because they are going to crash hard with their age across the board.

I think the media is just looking for the next big thing when it comes to QB. McCarthy had a ton of preseason hype. Maye had a lot of hype. Nix was the hipster choice for hype. It feels like most of the 2024 class has been getting propped up.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It doesn’t start until late November if I remember correctly

I'll watch it, of course. But I'd rather not have that distraction.

5 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Tebow was able to will his teams to a bunch of wins, and even post-season. It didnt make him one of the elite QBs during his time. Even the year they were in playoffs.

If Hurts is a better version of Tebow who wills a team to win verses doing it with elite QB skills thats fine. But theres no reason to pretend other QBs arent better in the purest sense of the position. And you can still say, Id take Hurts the competitor over a better QB who hasnt won anything.

Seems like he really focused after the first couple of games on not turning the ball over, which led to some indecisive necessary and unnecessary sacks.

Yeah he isn't perfect but all that really matters to me is the W. I"ll take that every day over talent (which Hurts has enough obviously). I like him as the leader of men and the locker room. He brings "talents" (ie intangibles) that aren't measured in stats.

9 hours ago, schuy7 said:

Watch the 10 minute highlights from the first 10 or so of our games last year. I don't believe we scored any points in the first quarter until like midseason. It's easy to forget that it wasn't close to perfect offensively after the glory of winning the SB. Hurts deserves a ton of credit. I'm happy to have him as the QB. But he does have his limitations. I thought the ranking was pretty reasonable.

Jacksonville was the first game I believe, and that even was after a muffed punt. We did score a FG on our opening drive vs Cincy, but they used over 10 minutes on their opening possession that we ran out of time in the 1st quarter.

11 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Tebow was able to will his teams to a bunch of wins, and even post-season. It didnt make him one of the elite QBs during his time. Even the year they were in playoffs.

If Hurts is a better version of Tebow who wills a team to win verses doing it with elite QB skills thats fine. But theres no reason to pretend other QBs arent better in the purest sense of the position. And you can still say, Id take Hurts the competitor over a better QB who hasnt won anything.

"Purest sense" means something different to each fan. QB is a position on the field, not a style. Fans have style preferences and like to rank players by their preferred style.

As for Tebow and Hurts, their style is similar, but that's where the similarity ends. Hurts actually improved as a passer at the NFL level --- especially in accuracy. Over their careers, Hurts has a 16% better completion percentage despite averaging more yards per attempt and more air yards per attempt. From a passing perspective, it isn't even close. Tebow was a 1st round bust and Hurts is a franchise QB.

15 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

RTK is good to converse with when he's not dying on a hill for Hurts

Fact

10 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

@Mike030270

Let's look at Jalen Hurts 2 worst playoff games compared to Justin Herbet's 2 best (lol!) playoff games.

Jalen Hurts: 61.5%, 508 yards passing, 2 TD, 2 INT, 73.4 passer rating and 44 yards rushing.

Justin Herbert: 52.0%, 515 yards passing, 2 TD, 4 INT, 60.7 passer rating and 12 yards rushing.

You keep using that because you know it favors Hurts. I keep saying mentioning and you're ignoring it. Care to try that argument with regular season games?

10 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I'm not moving the goalposts. I'm addressing the reality of what has occurred. Justin Herbert has not had to go through any of those top QBs in the AFC. He lost to Lawrence and Stroud in a down year. He has not had to go through Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar or Allen in the playoffs.

You know who has had to go through Mahomes? Hurts. He outplayed him in two Super Bowls. Mahomes, Stafford, Love, Purdy and Daniels are all better QBs than the two that Herbert has lost to in the playoffs and all QBs who Hurts has beat in the playoffs.

I'm not sure if you're willfully ignoring it or just not understanding

Herbert has to go through Mahomes every year as he's in the same division. He has to compete with Lamar, Allen, and Burrow because they're in the same conference

Hurts has Goff, Mayfield, Darnold, Dak, and old Stafford. If you don't see that the AFC has a tougher climb to the SB then I don't know what to tell you

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You keep using that because you know it favors Hurts. I keep saying mentioning and you're ignoring it. Care to try that argument with regular season games?

Oh my bad. I thought the goal was contend for and win championships. I didn't understand that what you want at QB and the true sign of greatness is to put up empty stats in the regular season as the team you lead meanders around to a 51.8 win percentage with you as the QB only to then have you completely and immediately crap the bed everytime you make the playoffs.

One plays winning football and thrives when games hit the point where the win or loss is going to be determined, and one is Juatin Herbert.

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

You keep using that because you know it favors Hurts. I keep saying mentioning and you're ignoring it. Care to try that argument with regular season games?

I'm not sure if you're willfully ignoring it or just not understanding

Herbert has to go through Mahomes every year as he's in the same division. He has to compete with Lamar, Allen, and Burrow because they're in the same conference

Hurts has Goff, Mayfield, Darnold, Dak, and old Stafford. If you don't see that the AFC has a tougher climb to the SB then I don't know what to tell you

They are all good QBs, but even with a good teams around Allen and Lamar, they can't win the most important games of their seasons. Mahomes is the only one of all NFL QBs that can truly put a team on his back and drag them to the SB.

QBs are important, but I think offensive line is the most important factor in winning, followed by having a good defense. A great QB can't overcome having a poor oline and/or a bottom 10 defense. The majority of the teams fall in this bucket, regardless of the quality of the QB. Again, Mahomes has been his own bucket for a while.

The tougher road has to do with better teams rather than better QBs.

The Eagles broke scoring records in the NFC championship and SB combined, not because they had the best QB, but because they had the best oline and defense. In fact, many people picked against the Eagles throughout the playoffs and SB simply because they felt that QBs were the deciding factor, completely ignoring that the Eagles had a top 3 oline, top defense, top running game, top 3 WR/TE group. Howie has known for years the importance of the oline, he's finally come to understand the importance of a great defense rather than just a great defensive line. He knows those two units drive winning in the NFL.

Lmao

57 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Oh my bad. I thought the goal was contend for and win championships. I didn't understand that what you want at QB and the true sign of greatness is to put up empty stats in the regular season as the team you lead meanders around to a 51.8 win percentage with you as the QB only to then have you completely and immediately crap the bed everytime you make the playoffs.

One plays winning football and thrives when games hit the point where the win or loss is going to be determined, and one is Juatin Herbert.

Ok so you're just willfully ignoring it to have a better argument for Hurts. Understood now.

41 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

They are all good QBs, but even with a good teams around Allen and Lamar, they can't win the most important games of their seasons. Mahomes is the only one of all NFL QBs that can truly put a team on his back and drag them to the SB.

QBs are important, but I think offensive line is the most important factor in winning, followed by having a good defense. A great QB can't overcome having a poor oline and/or a bottom 10 defense. The majority of the teams fall in this bucket, regardless of the quality of the QB. Again, Mahomes has been his own bucket for a while.

The tougher road has to do with better teams rather than better QBs.

The Eagles broke scoring records in the NFC championship and SB combined, not because they had the best QB, but because they had the best oline and defense. In fact, many people picked against the Eagles throughout the playoffs and SB simply because they felt that QBs were the deciding factor, completely ignoring that the Eagles had a top 3 oline, top defense, top running game, top 3 WR/TE group. Howie has known for years the importance of the oline, he's finally come to understand the importance of a great defense rather than just a great defensive line. He knows those two units drive winning in the NFL.

Just so I'm clear of your reason for jumping in. You're arguing that it's not the QBs that that make the road to the SB tough but the teams. I'd agree but for the sake of the argument it was QBs

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Just so I'm clear of your reason for jumping in. You're arguing that it's not the QBs that that make the road to the SB tough but the teams. I'd agree but for the sake of the argument it was QBs

Yes, the teams. Mahomes has been another story.

21 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Lmao

I don't see this as funny. This could dramatically upset the apple cart of the NFL draft and while the Eagles don't seem to be a team that would be hurt by this, they very well could. They likely wouldn't be hurt with a first round or second round pick, but a 'steal' in the draft could decide that waiting a year and getting big money from boosters would be preferable to trying to fight for a roster spot for comparable peanuts. Imagine a situation where a guy like Smael Mondon sees himself as more of a 2nd round pick, and has an offer on the table from some UGA boosters to get $4M to return to the Bulldogs. Would a one year return of $4M and the chance to go higher the next year in the draft not be appealing to a guy like him versus the 4 year, $4.5M contract he got from the Eagles with just under $400k in signing bonus?

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ok so you're just willfully ignoring it to have a better argument for Hurts. Understood now.

The Chargers basically gave Herbert the Hurts treatment this year, pulled way back on his pass attempts per game.

The difference is Hurts excelled when asked to step up and Herbert once again pissed down his leg and single-handedly lost his team that playoff game.

People fall in love with his arm talent, but that doesn't mean anything at all. Tons of guys have had rocket arms and sucked arse.

27 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Lmao

1. That's an incredible click baity headline. There is nothing in that article that suggests this is even a possibility besides the author who basically suggests "but wouldn't it be cool if he did?"

2. That would be a disaster scenario the NFL would do everything they can to avoid.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The Chargers basically gave Herbert the Hurts treatment this year, pulled way back on his pass attempts per game.

The difference is Hurts excelled when asked to step up and Herbert once again pissed down his leg and single-handedly lost his team that playoff game.

People fall in love with his arm talent, but that doesn't mean anything at all. Tons of guys have had rocket arms and sucked arse.

Herbert attempts went up from 2023 and he had 504 attempts. That's pretty different than going from 538 to 361.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Herbert attempts went up from 2023 and he had 504 attempts. That's pretty different than going from 538 to 361.

He only played 13 games last season

41 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Lmao

Stewart, notably, is holding out in Cincinnati over default language that the Bengals want him to sign, which would void all the guarantees in his contract if he ever ran into a legal matter.

I knew he was holding out due to guarantees that would get voided in his contract but I didn't know it was if he ever had a legal matter like Burton

24 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ok so you're just willfully ignoring it to have a better argument for Hurts. Understood now.

You have no argue for Herbert.

What do I want at QB, the most important position in the sport? I want someone who is going to consistently put his team in position to win games and then consistently make plays in crunch time to win those games. I want a QB that is going to elevate his game and play his best football in the biggest games against the best competition.

That is who Tom Brady was and that is who Jaoen Hurts is.

I don't want a QB who has shown he isn't a winning player. A guy who consistently folds in crunch time. Consistently comes up short when he goes up against the top competition. A guy who shrinks in the big moments when the lights are the brightest. A guy who has his level of play collapse when he enters the postseason because the pressure is too much for him.

31 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ok so you're just willfully ignoring it to have a better argument for Hurts. Understood now.

Nah, you are wrong. Herbert looks good in shorts and a t shirt but he can't win a playoff game nor had he looked good when it matters most.

At some point, winning matters, and I would draw the line at Herbert over Hurts when he has shown nothing in big moments except crap down his leg.

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

You have no argue for Herbert.

I do but I'm done with this. It's like talking to a wall when the topic involves Hurts with you

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Nah, you are wrong. Herbert looks good in shorts and a t shirt but he can't win a playoff game nor had he looked good when it matters most.

At some point, winning matters, and I would draw the line at Herbert over Hurts when he has shown nothing in big moments except crap down his leg.