2 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Darius Cooper is a great story. FCS school, no combine invite, no senior bowl, just busted his ass and made it. That’s what it’s all about.

I always thought what it's all about is the hokey pokey.

8 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Jason Fitz rents Nick Wright's half-bathroom. @vikas83

On vacation in South Africa and now the Seychelles, but saw that no talent attention hoor picked the Commanders. No idea why anyone watches his idiotic show.

How many TEs do we have under contract beyond this year? That’s right, zero.

8 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I just looked through passing stats and kept checking stats of the 4th most productive WR.

For the most part a WR4 on most teams is getting 20-30 targets, 200-300 yards, and 1-2 TDs.

The only team that really seemed to blow that away was the Rams. DeMarcus Robinson was their 4th most productive WR, and they even had 2 more guys that beat those stats.

So yeah, a starting safety is going to be better than 200-300 yards and 1-2 TDs. Thats if Hurts even gives him that many targets.

Its unfortunately going to be another situation like when people kept talking like Dotson stinks since he was invisible here. He doesn't. Metchie may well end up a much better player than CJ. We may not have a chance to see that until Metchie is WR3 next season. And heck, we may not even see that until Metchie is on his next team.

Last year Johnny Wilson got 15 targets. 38 yards. Of course, he stinks.

So... lots of confounding variables.

This one will probably be able to be debated forever.

What was Dotson's excuse for being outperformed by Curtis Samuel in Washington over his first 2 years after being picked 16 overall then? If he's so good and all?

Metchie had a tough break his first year absolutely he did, but his competition for targets his second year in Houston was Nico Collins (a 3rd round pick the year previous to Metchie), Tank Dell (a 3rd round rookie) a washed Robert Woods and a sack of nobodies, and he caught 16 balls, was CJ Stroud not using his full slate of receivers, not spotting him even when he was clearly open? Maybe he will break out in what is effectively his 3rd year like Jameson Williams, but why couldn't he elevate himself above guys who weren't drafted anywhere near his level?

Sometimes a great college receiver is just bang average in the pro's, it's not always the QB, however much you want it to be.

Last year's team was the deepest team I've ever seen as an Eagles fan. Injuries to starters weren't the end of the world. This season, the roster doesn't provide that comfort, especially at Oline, dline, and CB/S. Injuries to the starters at those position groups could be devastating. Ifwe want a SB repeat, starters are going to have to stay healthy. A typical season need, but the next guy up on this roster looks like a steep drop off in talent compared to last season.

9 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

Ferrell is a vested veteran which means he is an unrestricted free agent free to sign with any team. And, personally, I would roll the dice on him. Even coming on into the draft, he was known for setting the edge. Would be a good addition IMO

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/clelin-ferrell/32004645-5255-8663-cd04-9e42913c7a38

I just don't see it, he looked overdrafted when the Raiders took him top 5 and his play in the pros has done little to disprove that, as a rotational piece he's shown less in the pros than Ojulari or Uche and any potential for a huge upside is so small at this point as to be next to zero. I could maybe see bringing him in for Okoronkwo as the one true DE but I assume Okoronkwo is cheaper and the difference in output isn't that big.

24 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I just don't see it, he looked overdrafted when the Raiders took him top 5 and his play in the pros has done little to disprove that, as a rotational piece he's shown less in the pros than Ojulari or Uche and any potential for a huge upside is so small at this point as to be next to zero. I could maybe see bringing him in for Okoronkwo as the one true DE but I assume Okoronkwo is cheaper and the difference in output isn't that big.

Bring him in to the Practice Squad.

55 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

What was Dotson's excuse for being outperformed by Curtis Samuel in Washington over his first 2 years after being picked 16 overall then? If he's so good and all?

Metchie had a tough break his first year absolutely he did, but his competition for targets his second year in Houston was Nico Collins (a 3rd round pick the year previous to Metchie), Tank Dell (a 3rd round rookie) a washed Robert Woods and a sack of nobodies, and he caught 16 balls, was CJ Stroud not using his full slate of receivers, not spotting him even when he was clearly open? Maybe he will break out in what is effectively his 3rd year like Jameson Williams, but why couldn't he elevate himself above guys who weren't drafted anywhere near his level?

Sometimes a great college receiver is just bang average in the pro's, it's not always the QB, however much you want it to be.

Like I said, WR 4 around the league is generally only getting 20-30 targets and 200-300 yards. Hard to blame QB play when that's pretty much standard across the league. I would have expected more from the elite passing offenses. Only the Rams stood out with deep WR production.

I won't debate Dotson and Metchie with you because it looks like your only goal was to needlessly jump to the defense of Hurts. I'm sure he appreciates you doing that.

Sirianni did mention in the press conference yesterday that Dotson had done some returning in College, so had been practising in drills to do that. Still can't see anyone currently on the roster doing it

Julius Brents, Britain Covey, Audric Estimé

1 hour ago, Freshmilk said:

Last year's team was the deepest team I've ever seen as an Eagles fan. Injuries to starters weren't the end of the world. This season, the roster doesn't provide that comfort, especially at Oline, dline, and CB/S. Injuries to the starters at those position groups could be devastating. Ifwe want a SB repeat, starters are going to have to stay healthy. A typical season need, but the next guy up on this roster looks like a steep drop off in talent compared to last season.

Everything worked out amazingly last year so there's some revisionist history. Was Steen on August 27 considered better depth than Matt Pryor is now? Was Nolan Smith who played in preseason game 3 and Hunt who was a project considered better depth than Ojulari and Uche and even Oko? CB definitely had better depth tho DeJean hadn't even shown yet so questions at nickel at the time

2 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

How many TEs do we have under contract beyond this year? That’s right, zero.

This hurts my soul….

If i had one

41 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Everything worked out amazingly last year so there's some revisionist history. Was Steen on August 27 considered better depth than Matt Pryor is now? Was Nolan Smith who played in preseason game 3 and Hunt who was a project considered better depth than Ojulari and Uche and even Oko? CB definitely had better depth tho DeJean hadn't even shown yet so questions at nickel at the time

Outstanding post. I'm sure I could find posts from 12 months ago lamenting the state of the team's depth.

Ojabo didn’t get cut by the Ravens. There were some beats suggesting he might.

45 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Everything worked out amazingly last year so there's some revisionist history. Was Steen on August 27 considered better depth than Matt Pryor is now? Was Nolan Smith who played in preseason game 3 and Hunt who was a project considered better depth than Ojulari and Uche and even Oko? CB definitely had better depth tho DeJean hadn't even shown yet so questions at nickel at the time

Not revisionist at all. I go by what transpired. We lost 5 starters and 3 primary backups in FA. We aren't as deep as last year. Ans Steen vs. Pryor is a ridiculous comparison. Pryor sucks.

49 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Everything worked out amazingly last year so there's some revisionist history. Was Steen on August 27 considered better depth than Matt Pryor is now? Was Nolan Smith who played in preseason game 3 and Hunt who was a project considered better depth than Ojulari and Uche and even Oko? CB definitely had better depth tho DeJean hadn't even shown yet so questions at nickel at the time

Nolan Smith was a big question mark going into last year after showing almost nothing year 1 and Hunt was a 3rd round rookie out of a small school.

Truth is the defense didn't start great last year either, it gave up 29 to the Packers week 1 and then gave up the ghost last drive against Atlanta week 2, so look out for sky is falling in posts as the new arrivals get used to Vic's scheme at game speed the first few weeks.

55 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Everything worked out amazingly last year so there's some revisionist history. Was Steen on August 27 considered better depth than Matt Pryor is now? Was Nolan Smith who played in preseason game 3 and Hunt who was a project considered better depth than Ojulari and Uche and even Oko? CB definitely had better depth tho DeJean hadn't even shown yet so questions at nickel at the time

We agree CB and S depth were better last year. LB is night and day deeper now. DT is better. DE....yeah I felt better last year. Chris Long talked about Smith showing flashes and having potential. Hunt had a lot of buzz but we thought it would take time. I don't want a huge name, but one other solid guy would make me feel better.

You are right we didn't see the potential of the D though until after the BYE. It was a real concern especially after the Bucs game. We'll see what happens this year.

6 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Not revisionist at all. I go by what transpired. We lost 5 starters and 3 primary backups in FA. We aren't as deep as last year. Ans Steen vs. Pryor is a ridiculous comparison. Pryor sucks.

6 starters with the CJGJ trade

Hefty price to pay for a 35 year old WR.

21 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Not revisionist at all. I go by what transpired. We lost 5 starters and 3 primary backups in FA. We aren't as deep as last year. Ans Steen vs. Pryor is a ridiculous comparison. Pryor sucks.

WR is better

LB is better

I'd say DT is deeper

OL depth is weaker

CB is weaker

DE depth is unknown

Safety if the kid stays healthy will be closer than we think

I don't think we knew what we had last year. The same could be true this year as well.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

WR is better

LB is better

I'd say DT is deeper

OL depth is weaker

CB is weaker

Safety if the kid stays healthy will be closer than we think

I don't think we knew what we had last year. The same could be true this year as well.

Further...how is the quality of our depth relative to other teams? Their starters get injured too.

12 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Dare I say, Darius Cooper's floor is Jalen Reagor's ceiling.

Yes better put :)

At DE last year we felt better preseason last year because we had Huff. Smith was still a question mark and I don't think anyone had Hunt contributing that fast. Goes to show you how much can change in a season.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Like I said, WR 4 around the league is generally only getting 20-30 targets and 200-300 yards. Hard to blame QB play when that's pretty much standard across the league. I would have expected more from the elite passing offenses. Only the Rams stood out with deep WR production.

I won't debate Dotson and Metchie with you because it looks like your only goal was to needlessly jump to the defense of Hurts. I'm sure he appreciates you doing that.

So then how did Dotson and Metchie end up buried on the depth chart in their previous offenses? They were both taken pretty early with solid college resume's and neither went to a roster that was stacked at receiver, Dotson in particular had a clear run at being WR2 at worst in Washington, they don't even feed the TE that much, so how does he end up behind an unspectacular vet like Curtis Samuel? How does Metchie get 30 targets in 2023 (which makes him WR5 by the way) when alternative is a 30 year old Robert Woods, a 3rd round rookie and a journeyman on a one year contract? How is it not just that they aren't that good and WR 3/4 is their NFL level? Arguably that's above Metchie's level.