surprised bears weren’t flagged for illegal fumble recovery

8 minutes ago, devpool said:

I know it never would've happened in a million years, but sirianni should've been canned last year and moore pushed up to HC. That stops the revolving door issue at OC because it will never stop as long as we have a HC who is clueless with Xs and Os.

It's not Sirianni, it's Hurts. Hurts is like a proving ground for NFL versatility. You have a prototype NFL QB that looks more like Goff. With that type of QB, you can kind of copy and paste stuff people have been running for a while with some tweaks, and get a lot out of it. With Hurts, if you try that, you will fail miserably, and teams know that. So by default, it weeds out average offensive minds like a litmus test.

This is the real reason why OCs get plucked every year.

To counteract this, what you actually have to do is stop hiring younger guys. Since Sirianni got here, we've tried to be on the 'bleeding edge' and work on hiring up-and-comers. We shouldn't be doing that, we should be hiring head coach flameouts that make people question if hiring them as a head coach is actually worth it. That's the real mistake. You need to zig when everyone zags, otherwise you become a HC factory which literally no one wants.

17 minutes ago, devpool said:

That would've been a solid option, especially given the history with Wilson even though I think back in those days Wilson largely lived on broken plays (at least against us). But I would've gladly taken him over Patullo.

IMO, giving the offense to a guy who has never done it before was beyond stupid (and they've done it twice now!) Talent will only win so many games on its own. In 2023 it was 10, this year it was 4.

It was a really sneaky option that I mentioned a couple times here. Sometimes it's not about how good a candidate is, but about how well a candidate matches up to what you want to do. In fact these kind of value disparities are an excellent way to hold on to coaches. It's basically daring a team to hire Darrel Bevell as their Head Coach, and I think it'd take them a while to be on board with that.

7 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

surprised bears weren’t flagged for illegal fumble recovery

The crew that did that game are the worst. I don't know how many times I have seen them make the weakest ticky tack calls ever. That call that took away the Odunze TD was a flat out joke.

15 minutes ago, judunno said:

Josh Allen had another bad game. Welp time to start the back up. - Eagles casual fan logic.

He's a 6'5 250 pound white guy though, so it's ok.

11 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's not Sirianni, it's Hurts. Hurts is like a proving ground for NFL versatility. You have a prototype NFL QB that looks more like Goff. With that type of QB, you can kind of copy and paste stuff people have been running for a while with some tweaks, and get a lot out of it. With Hurts, if you try that, you will fail miserably, and teams know that. So by default, it weeds out average offensive minds like a litmus test.

This is the real reason why OCs get plucked every year.

To counteract this, what you actually have to do is stop hiring younger guys. Since Sirianni got here, we've tried to be on the 'bleeding edge' and work on hiring up-and-comers. We shouldn't be doing that, we should be hiring head coach flameouts that make people question if hiring them as a head coach is actually worth it. That's the real mistake. You need to zig when everyone zags, otherwise you become a HC factory which literally no one wants.

I’d say there’s a reasonable amount of truth to this. I think the offense sputters early in the season while Hurts adjusts to what he can and cannot run in each new offense. This is the Eagles fourth OC in as many years, and it’s likely unrealistic to expect the offense to start the season fast, no matter the level of talent.

One thing that sticks out to me is both AJ Brown and Smith are averaging 11 yards per catch; that’s just not good enough. There either needs to be better production in the intermediate passing game, or these guys need to get better separation on their routes. That comes down to play design for me. It’s also been said Hurts doesn’t have the ability to "throw guys open”. I liked his back shoulder throw to Brown against the Giants; he needs to trust Brown downfield more and just let it rip.

The other suggestion I’d make is to use Barkley, Dillon and Shipley as a true RBBC in the first half, then gradually give Saquon the carries down the stretch in the 4th quarter. I don’t think he took a ton of punishment last season, but he did have a ton of touches. Keeping him fresher and hungrier in the 4th quarter would pay dividends, IMO

Hurts is the opposite of Ohtani (playoff Mendoza Line now), Kershaw (choke artist) and LeBron (1 for 34 in clutch shots as a Laker). He is best in the biggest moments.

McNabb was one of those choke guys.

Foles was clutch like Hurts but he could not stay consistent and on the field in the regular season.

Hurts is also one of the most consistent QBs in NFL history. (its an 81 game sample size so its not fair to compare him to Rodgers (more SBs already) or Brady.

He has 2 or more TDs in 59 of 81 starts. Stafford is 22 of 49 for 2+ TDs since the start of 2022.

If you want to argue that rushing TDs don't count or are not fair, its because you are not really an Eagles fan, you are just an empty parrot for the national media and Cowboys fans.

He has multiple picks in 8 of 81 starts (including playoffs) Josh Allen had 8 games like that in 2023-24 alone.

My favorite Eagles fan is the one who goes out of their way to worship Joe Burrow and they poor baby! him over everything that does not go his way.

Then when Hurts has an offense through 6 games as bad as anything Burrow ever had but still plays well enough to be 5-1, the torches and pitchforks come out.

Maybe they are closet Bengals fans? Who Dey gonna lick Joe Burrow?

Its just weird.

I am starting to get worried Howie will sell the farm for a big named DE. He's getting a lot of criticism (deservedly) for letting Rodgers and MB go. If the Parson rumors were true he's willing to give up 1s. They need to much in the next few years. Hopefully, he doesn't go big.

53 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Your post count is high enough that you were on the original EMB right? The one from the Eagles site? I had the same username. I was never banned, I just didn't ask for my post count to be transferred because I was too lazy.

Thanks for that explanation. It will be interesting to hear what @RememberTheKoy relates to support his statement about you.

Josh Allen has defeated the Ravens, Jets, Dolphins, and Saints this year.

They are 3-21 or 3-17 when not playing the Bills.

I wonder if playing QB in the NFL is easy or hard?

Its probably easy. I'm sure zero mobility dudes behind bad lines can throw for 400 a game with 5 TDs. They just have to be decisive. (which I think means throw it quickly to guys who are blanket covered with zero separation)

One thing I can be sure of is that I'm hearing that Jared Goff might be MVP... oh, that was the NBC imbeciles in the pregame last night...

Maybe not so much for Goff? 15 points per game in the big games is pretty impressive.

He did beat the Bears, Browns, Bengals, and Ravens though... 7-16 or 7-12 when not playing the Lions.

Josh Allen 4 turnovers in two games. No bueno.

2 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

In my opinion the second best candidate that was clearly available is one everyone forgets. It's definitely Darrell Bevell.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

You need to zig when everyone zags, otherwise you become a HC factory which literally no one wants.

Interesting.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

It’s also been said Hurts doesn’t have the ability to "throw guys open”. I liked his back shoulder throw to Brown against the Giants; he needs to trust Brown downfield more and just let it rip.

I think he can do any throw. I really believe that.

He just needs to go fast, grip it and rip it, but it so antithetical to his careful nature.

Hurry up O and he sees one read, maybe two (let's be realistic he can't just look at one and three is too many for him I think, unless they half the field) and throws it to his checkdown if he doesn't like it.

I'm convinced I could coach Jalen Hurts to another Superbowl. *

* I am drunk. But just a little. I am also high. Like a pretty good amount.

1 hour ago, Diehardfan said:

I am starting to get worried Howie will sell the farm for a big named DE. He's getting a lot of criticism (deservedly) for letting Rodgers and MB go. If the Parson rumors were true he's willing to give up 1s. They need to much in the next few years. Hopefully, he doesn't go big.

Counterpoint. Go HUGE. Look at the Saquon move. Get someone impactful at DE.

And get a decent starting corner for CB2. Not lockdown or light's out. Just a good CB2. Hell, even a high quality backup and move him to starter. We have the middle sewn up with Coop. The safeties are more than serviceable. I'd say good. Not great. But decent to good. Assuming Q is OK, we just need a decent guy there.

Add the splash DE and maybe we could gut it out with Ringo. Might have to just deal with it and try and cheat a safety that way or some other smoke and mirrors that Vic can come up with.

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I wouldn’t doubt it. Bills fans can be pretty hardcore as well. Sean McDermott (according to some Bills fans) was supposed to be fired after each of the past 4-5 seasons.

I have been there. They are us. But less fortunate.

They are impervious to cold. I almost died there in the early '90s from drunkathermia.

I give a lot of respect to them, Cleveland, Chicago, Green Bay and Baltimore. They are all like us. Rock solid die hard crazy mfer fans. Honorable mention to Seattle and Detroit.

12 hours ago, Eriv20 said:

Doesn’t matter how much we win by or how much we lose by. They count the same in the standings. Winning is winning and our record is 4-2. Haven’t been very good, sure, so when we start playing well, the games should be much easier. We had a lot of close games last year too. Some to some bad teams. Relax

Again that’s one way to look at it. But I would argue that after 6 weeks / games you can get a real sense for a team and where they are at. Sure we got the wins in those games but we did in 2023 and look what happened. We can say we haven’t played well and when we do we should really put a run together but we might not start playing well.

11 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

We were 1 play away from starting last season 0-4 too. You can do this every season and every game decided by 1 score. That being said we have not been very good in a lot of areas so far but, playing this one play away from this or that record is stupid

I disagree. How a team plays and how they look can be a big clue as to whether that team is going to be good or not. After 6 games I’d argue we’ve been more bad than good and at best we look an average team. Can we get it together? Sure we can but I’m not honestly expecting it. In 2023 when the losses started we all waited for this team to respond and it didn’t. We had the talent then but the vibes were off and to me that’s how this all feels.

5 hours ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

RTK. Banned?

Do you seriously not remember me from the old EMB on the Eagles website? Just because I was too lazy to get my post count transferred? Bruh.

I've never been banned, you can ask the mods.

But the funny thing is, RTK has. For trolling.

32 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I disagree. How a team plays and how they look can be a big clue as to whether that team is going to be good or not. After 6 games I’d argue we’ve been more bad than good and at best we look an average team. Can we get it together? Sure we can but I’m not honestly expecting it. In 2023 when the losses started we all waited for this team to respond and it didn’t. We had the talent then but the vibes were off and to me that’s how this all feels.

Agree to disagree then. I remember a lot on here last year were calling them the 2023 team too especially after the 2-2 start and struggling against the browns and panthers that were also 1 score games.

I'll say it again though so people don't think I'm being delusional about this season this team is playing very poorly and I've come around to the fact that they have already started to implode. I'm just pointing out that you can drive yourself nuts with your thought process of them being a couple plays away from this record or that

26 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

But the funny thing is, RTK has. For trolling.

I definitely remember that one. 100%. I was gonna throw it at him but I decided not to. LOL

Carter and Nolan Smith need to get healthy. Without them we’re screwed.

We’re currently missing the top 5 pass rushers from last year’s team. There’s no way there wouldn’t be a major drop off.

I wonder if they're considering Campbell at DE and getting Dean on the field.

Not sure that this is the route to go, but it might be worth trying as the cupboard is pretty empty there

Seriously, though...what are the Eagles going to do at DE?

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I'll say it again though so people don't think I'm being delusional about this season this team is playing very poorly and I've come around to the fact that they have already started to implode. I'm just pointing out that you can drive yourself nuts with your thought process of them being a couple plays away from this record or that

Yeah this I’ll 100% agree with. The wins are wins and doing so when not playing well is a big deal. The key is whether they won those games despite not playing well or actually whether they just aren’t going to be a good team this year…

Regarding the offense, it's the inability in the second half to react to the opponent's adjustments, especially in the passing game. The charts below show that we are second overall in EPA/play in the first half of games and second to last in EPA/play in the second half of games.

Regarding the defense, it's been the absence of Carter. We are a top-10 defense (using EPA/play) in the weeks Carter played (2-5).