@mattwill

Vikings 27 eagles 16

Offensive woes continue, Q sits out to rest the hammy and Wentz throws 3 TDs against Jackson and Ringo.

@Iggles_Phan

Guess you were right yesterday. He said what you did

@mattwill : Holding firm on my prediction last week that an embarrassing loss to Giants serves us the catalyst for improvement

Eagles - 28

Vikings - 20

Wentz turnover

Brakley goes over 100

2 hours ago, devpool said:

RPO is not the read option, McKee doesnt need to be able to run. Foles ran a lot of RPO IIRC

Didn't Doug put them in the gameplan specifically for Nick after watching tape as to what Nick's strengths were?

2 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Guess you were right yesterday. He said what you did

Been saying the main issue is the OL now for weeks. It is so obvious. Nothing changes unless the OL gets healthy. I don't want to see Dickerson on the field this week but looks like he is going to push through... again.

Does that mean the O can't improve some by better play calling? No, it would certainly help as well if the play calling was better.

1 hour ago, jamiller said:

Didn't Doug put them in the gameplan specifically for Nick after watching tape as to what Nick's strengths were?

Yeah, he did

19 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Although they look a tad different, I still have some somewhere

16 hours ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Stealing our throwbacks🤮

They can have them

18 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Called it in the last couple of weeks. A consultant can assist but not interrupt the process or power structure. Just no Marty Mornhinweg please.

I am glad to see some people talk about the OL issues. Its very much been the quiet thing that some fans have been looking at and thinking, nah, its broken for a number of reasons. The reason why trading for a Vet OG makes so much sense; healthy, plug and play, will elevate the talent base, but for a limited time, Patullo is an issue.

I'd think DE would also do the same thing. The right player can come in and transform that position group. Along with some players just getting a little more healthy.

8 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

@Iggles_Phan

Guess you were right yesterday. He said what you did

A broken clock is right twice a day. I've still got to work to meet that criteria.

6 hours ago, jamiller said:

Didn't Doug put them in the gameplan specifically for Nick after watching tape as to what Nick's strengths were?

Yes. And the RPO is a Run Pass option, in that case the read is usually a LB and if the LB bites on the run, then the QB throws the ball into the lane vacated by the defender. That's different from a RO (aka, Read option), where the read tells the QB if he's going to give the ball to the RB or keep it himself to run.

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

The problem is they prepared in TC like they'd have an OL that can allow them to run inside, now that's been taken away.

I mean why would Siri have changed things given their record? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

They might have figured some falloff, but nothing this drastic, less success, not zero success running inside.

Now they have to completely remake an offense, more outside zone and off tackle runs, fewer vertical routes, more crossing routes, etc.

Play action isn't effective if you can't run, so it's harder to take shots downfield against zone and harder for Hurts to scramble out of the pocket for big gains.

And the problem with the RPO is the reasons they probably want to move away from it:

1) it'll get Hurts killed at some point, gives teams a free shot at him

2) If Hurts is hurt, McKee can't run the RPO, so an offense built around it is in big trouble

Nope. You are conflating the RPO with an RO. Nick Foles was highly effective in an RPO style offense, and no one ever accused Nick of being agile.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope. You are conflated the RPO with an RO. Nick Foles was highly effective in an RPO style offense, and no one ever accused Nick of being agile.

This. RPO doesn't mean QB run or QB pass. The point is to give multiple options out of the same formation and the QB chooses the best one. The thing about Hurts running RPOs is that it gives 3 options out of the same formation: Pass, RB run, QB run.

10 hours ago, devpool said:

Yea it'll help a lot once they figure out how to run the ball but the play design and sequencing is still atrocious

Play design and sequencing can be greatly helped by having much more makeable 3rd down conversions if they win on 1st and 2nd down. Having 3rd and longs consistently leads to a lot more 3 and outs than having more 3rd and 2 or 3. 3rd and 2 or 3 leaves pretty much the entire playbook available... which makes everything easier.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope. You are conflated the RPO with an RO. Nick Foles was highly effective in an RPO style offense, and no one ever accused Nick of being agile.

It's 7-8 years later so defenses are better at muddling the pass read and dealing with the RO branch of the decision tree.

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not sure about the context here but that can’t be the attitude. It’s not 2024 anymore.

Time for some smashmouth football. Line up and run them over.

@mattwill

Eagles 20

Vikings 33

Bonus: Rodgers pick 6

9 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

@Iggles_Phan

Guess you were right yesterday. He said what you did

jaws pretty much said the same thing. i still think it's part of the problem to a degree, just not "the" issue.

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Second beat to say the same thing this week. Whoever their sources are, are in damage control

Media might be making this up but players do lie as well to cover themselves.

So since O-line and the run game are the biggest issue, shouldn't we be calling for Stoutland to be fired since thats his thing? (joking of course)

6 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

jaws pretty much said the same thing. i still think it's part of the problem to a degree, just not "the" issue.

I think it is absolutely the catalyst for everything that is going wrong.

They went on a run last year because they focused on the run game. That allowed them to control the game and limit the defense's exposure on the field. The Eagles broke the will of many teams by simply running their offense down their throats.

It was a winning formula that they are having issues replicating this year. They can't run, so teams are keying on the pass. They are getting three-and-outs at a high clip. This forces the defense back on the field, causing them to get worn out.

Think back to that Commanders game late last year. They won because Hurts was out of the lineup early, the Eagles couldn't move the ball, which forced the defense back on the field, and they could not sustain that kind of pressure.

Get the O-line healthy, let's start getting Barkley some space out there, force defenses to keep an eye on the run. That will open up the pass lanes, allowing them to sustain drives, which means the defense will be out there less.

6 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

I think it is absolutely the catalyst for everything that is going wrong.

Get the O-line healthy.

it's definitely part of it, but not the biggest issue. your last point here is the biggest issue IMO, but not by much.

i don't think they can run some of the plays that are in the playbook because of the injuries and the lack of good depth.

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

I am glad to see some people talk about the OL issues. Its very much been the quiet thing that some fans have been looking at and thinking, nah, its broken for a number of reasons. The reason why trading for a Vet OG makes so much sense; healthy, plug and play, will elevate the talent base, but for a limited time, Patullo is an issue.

I'd think DE would also do the same thing. The right player can come in and transform that position group. Along with some players just getting a little more healthy.

At the midseason point, OL is probably the hardest position to trade for besides QB. You have your choice of crappy teams with crappy O-lines themselves. The best you are going to get is some old journeyman who probably doesn't help the team all that much.

28 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Media might be making this up but players do lie as well to cover themselves.

Sure, but two beat writers saying the same exact thing that just so happens to be the week leading up to playing against the guy? Smells fishy. We also already know ESP has no problem being used as a mouthpiece regardless the topic. He's turning tricks on the corner for any bit of source info he can get.