20 hours ago20 hr 41 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:I absolutely don't like Hurts and have never hid that. That being said you can't argue that he sees the field well or makes fast decisions past one target. He makes things much harder than they have to be. And the same can be said about you being on his sack no matter what he does.We agree the OC sucks but Joe showed last night what a real QB can do with the weapons the Eagles have.He’s no longer a "one read QB” and hasn’t been that for a while. He’s been consistently going to his 2nd and 3rd reads. If anything, he’s been too conservative - hence why you see a lot of "dump offs” etc - that’s the opposite of what a "one read QB” does.If you want to criticize him for something this year - being a "one read QB” isn’t it.If anything, he’s been too conservative at times - not willing to throw it to his first or second reads if there’s tight coverage etc.
20 hours ago20 hr 1 hour ago, NOTW said:A lot of people will say, well if the Eagles had (insert the QB trending this week) they would not only win but win by even more!Ok...but we don't have those QBs we have Hurts. They're not getting rid of him. They're not benching him for unproven McKee. The O line, run game and Patullo are bigger problems than Hurts.They're not bigger problems than hurts. They're big problems because hurts can't shoulder the load when everything is not perfect around him.
20 hours ago20 hr 1 minute ago, jojodancer said:Aaro Rodgers and Joe Flacco have 5 and 6 interceptions respectively. Hurts throws one and his only one of the year last week in the most discombobulated performance from an Eagles team in years. On a short week mind you. And of course the naysayers will come out. Turrible!! The guy is a flat out winner! Showed out twice in the largest stage possible and outperformed the best QB of his generation in Mahomey. Yet here we are still! Haters gonna hate. Let's get Carson Strong in here geniuses.Best defense possibly in franchise historyBest running game in franchise historyBest OL in the leagueHe bawled out in the SB but let's be honest. Most of the good QBs in the league would have in that situation. Baker wouldn't have won that SB? Stafford? Hell if you give Daniels that OL, RB, and WRs he would have as well. Eagles lucky to have him? Sure. But good QBs elevate the people around him. He constantly needs others to lift him be it the OC, the line, or a run game. He does not bring out the best in his WRs like we saw Joe do last night. The OC sucks, but I'm tired of having a QB who needs the perfect situations with that much talent around him in order to play well.
20 hours ago20 hr 2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:He’s no longer a "one read QB” and hasn’t been that for a while. He’s been consistently going to his 2nd and 3rd reads. If anything, he’s been too conservative - hence why you see a lot of "dump offs” etc - that’s the opposite of what a "one read QB” does.If you want to criticize him for something this year - being a "one read QB” isn’t it.If anything, he’s been too conservative at times - not willing to throw it to his first or second reads if there’s tight coverage etc.How did that work on the INT when Brown was wide open? You are right that he holds the ball too long. Maybe you are right and he is but now he's too scared.
20 hours ago20 hr 7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:I have a lot of counters to the he's the best QB in franchise history, but I'll just say he's not the guy who will look good with this OC. That is a marriage that will not work. He can not bring out the best in two of the best WRs in the league. He needs the OL, Barkley, and 3rd and short to bring out the best in him. Maybe we get some of that Sunday and I hope we do, but if not I don't care what he's done. The kid needs a shot. Last night showed just how good WRs with talent can look with a real QB.Maybe Joe Flacco just proved that Dillon Gabriel is better than Joe Burrow. 2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:curious on his run defense grade because coverage wise i think he’s been spectacular. Even without seeing this chart.This is why we don't need to move either Baun or Campbell to an edge position.
20 hours ago20 hr 10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:I have a lot of counters to the he's the best QB in franchise history, but I'll just say he's not the guy who will look good with this OC. That is a marriage that will not work. He can not bring out the best in two of the best WRs in the league. He needs the OL, Barkley, and 3rd and short to bring out the best in him. Maybe we get some of that Sunday and I hope we do, but if not I don't care what he's done. The kid needs a shot. Last night showed just how good WRs with talent can look with a real QB.No one is the guy with this OC. He completely overwhelmed. You do not bench your Super Bowl winning franchise QB that you are paying a lot of money for the sake of a terrible OC. If the terrible OC is the issue then you move on from the terrible OC. Again, you are completely off base from making a reasonable take here.
20 hours ago20 hr 1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:No one is the guy with this OC. He completely overwhelmed. You do not bench your Super Bowl winning franchise QB that you are paying a lot of money for the sake of a terrible OC. If the terrible OC is the issue then you move on from the terrible OC. Again, you are completely off base from making a reasonable take here.We agree on that but they aren't firing him.
20 hours ago20 hr 6 minutes ago, jojodancer said:Aaron Rodgers and Joe Flacco have 5 and 6 interceptions respectively. Hurts throws one and his only one of the year last week in the most discombobulated performance from an Eagles team in years. On a short week mind you. And of course the naysayers will come out. Turrible!! The guy is a flat out winner! Showed out twice in the largest stage possible and outperformed the best QB of his generation in Mahomey. Yet here we are still! Haters gonna hate. Let's get Carson Strong in here geniuses.I like how Hurts is protective of the ball. He’s gone above and beyond to fix the issues that we saw in 2023 and it’s commendable. He plays within a good framework and doesn’t cost the team games with awful turnovers, for the most part.But the double edged sword to that is that it’s going to limit the offense’s ability to move down the field when your RB isn’t rushing for 2,000 yards. Hurts will not make certain throws you would see someone like Allen or Rodgers make because 1.) he physically cannot make those throws as he doesn’t have the arm strength and 2.) he doesn’t want to put the ball in danger and have a costly turnover.I don’t know enough to know who’s more at fault between Patullo or Hurts so my default answer is it’s a combination of the two. Patullo doesn’t do him any favors by designing elementary plays with basic route concepts that defenses can easily read and adapt to. And it’s been two games in a row that Hurts has missed deep balls to AJ and DeVonta that could have won at least one of the previous two games.This team’s formula for success is pretty simple: run the ball and win the turnover battle. The issue that they have so far this season is that the offensive line has been abysmal in run-blocking and the defense has not been effective in getting off the field or getting the ball back the past two weeks.
20 hours ago20 hr OK, I realize that complaining about the QB is fun and all, but we need to interject some reality into this conversation. There is NO WAY IN HELL the team is going to bench Jalen Hurts. None. Zero. Zilch. So why in the name of all that is holy are we spending pages upon pages talking about it?First, the team is 4-2. Have they looked great? No. But winning football teams don't bench their franchise QB (and he is paid like one) and turn it over to an unproven backup. That loses the locker room right away.Second, there's no getting out of Jalen's contract anytime soon, so you have to maximize the team around him. He has a full no trade clause, so unless he agrees to be moved, you'd have to cut him. If you cut him before the 3rd day of the 2026 league year, his last guarantee of $22mm of his 2027 compensation doesn't trigger. But it's still $115mm in dead money. So it ain't happening.Third, he really hasn't been that bad this year. He's overly conservative and had an objectively bad game against the Giants. But on the list of issues on offense, he's way down the list.When we extended him, we tied ourselves to him through the 2026 season. So deal with it.@Diehardfan - it is much more feasible to dump KP than Hurts. You need to accept that.
20 hours ago20 hr 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:We agree on that but they aren't firing him.They aren't benching Jalen Hurts for the sake of a terrible OC, and this OC isn't terrible because of Jalen Hurts. He is terrible because he has no ability to gameplan and play call effectively.
20 hours ago20 hr 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:We agree on that but they aren't firing him.It's 8,000,000% more likely than them moving on from Hurts.But neither is happening.
20 hours ago20 hr Just to round this out, if we traded Hurts this offseason, it's around $65mm in dead money as his 2026 guaranteed comp moves to the acquiring team.But no, we aren't trading the QB who took us to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years (and one won while playing well in both) to accommodate a bad OC. Hell, Lurie and Howie would fire Nick before moving off Jalen given the cost.
20 hours ago20 hr 13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Patullo and Sirianni are going to fix that this week by making the dig routes 12 yards instead of 5 but only when it's 3rd and 3.
20 hours ago20 hr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Just to round this out, if we traded Hurts this offseason, it's around $65mm in dead money as his 2026 guaranteed comp moves to the acquiring team.But no, we aren't trading the QB who took us to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years (and one won while playing well in both) to accommodate a bad OC. Hell, Lurie and Howie would fire Nick before moving off Jalen given the cost.Jalen probably got concussed once already this season, given that he's a gamer I expect him to take more personal risks moving forward to right the offense. When he goes down, and when Tanner looks great - then we'll have a good problem.
20 hours ago20 hr 16 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:I like how Hurts is protective of the ball. He’s gone above and beyond to fix the issues that we saw in 2023 and it’s commendable. He plays within a good framework and doesn’t cost the team games with awful turnovers, for the most part.But the double edged sword to that is that it’s going to limit the offense’s ability to move down the field Thats not called fixing the issues. Thats called hiding the issue while creating a new one. Fixing the issue would be, functioning as an elite NFL QB should- making all the throws, one time, and making the right reads. He has fixed nothing.
20 hours ago20 hr 18 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:The media have got to continue to turn up the heat. They asked him in the offseason if he would open it up, and he told them no. Now we are seeing the results. And theyre bad. So the media need to harp on that.
20 hours ago20 hr What people don't understand is that when an offense has this many problems, the team usually winds up 4-13 or 5-12Hurts was the offense vs Dallas. They All 22 guys in the week after the game used words like perfect and he took everything that was there.He was incredible vs Denver. Watch the plays. He connected on 500+ yards of Eagles advancing the ball through the air between his 280+, plays called back on penalties, and Pi called and not called.There is no opinion to be had on this. Its there to be seen. Goedert slowed down on the play that Higgins made to set up the game winner last night. Hurts threw Goedert open but Goedert did not get around the guy. The throw to AJ was a perfectly placed deep ball. AJ admitted he quit on the play.He was amazing in half the game vs both LA and Tampa. Do you think the Toth execution fumble was a personal failing of Hurts? Did you watch tape and see how Hurts just missed easy open passes in the other half vs Tampa?They should be 5-1 based on Hurts carrying this terrible offense. AJ quit so the 5th win is a loss.I'd say the same thing about Lamar or Allen or Mahomes if they were carrying their teams through a crisis.
20 hours ago20 hr 19 minutes ago, vikas83 said:OK, I realize that complaining about the QB is fun and all, but we need to interject some reality into this conversation. There is NO WAY IN HELL the team is going to bench Jalen Hurts. None. Zero. Zilch. So why in the name of all that is holy are we spending pages upon pages talking about it?First, the team is 4-2. Have they looked great? No. But winning football teams don't bench their franchise QB (and he is paid like one) and turn it over to an unproven backup. That loses the locker room right away.Second, there's no getting out of Jalen's contract anytime soon, so you have to maximize the team around him. He has a full no trade clause, so unless he agrees to be moved, you'd have to cut him. If you cut him before the 3rd day of the 2026 league year, his last guarantee of $22mm of his 2027 compensation doesn't trigger. But it's still $115mm in dead money. So it ain't happening.Third, he really hasn't been that bad this year. He's overly conservative and had an objectively bad game against the Giants. But on the list of issues on offense, he's way down the list.When we extended him, we tied ourselves to him through the 2026 season. So deal with it.@Diehardfan - it is much more feasible to dump KP than Hurts. You need to accept that.I think everyone is accepting of that fact, but some of know it wont change anything while others continue to act like it is the solution because the refuse to place blame on Hurts.
20 hours ago20 hr 14 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Just to round this out, if we traded Hurts this offseason, it's around $65mm in dead money as his 2026 guaranteed comp moves to the acquiring team.But no, we aren't trading the QB who took us to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years (and one won while playing well in both) to accommodate a bad OC. Hell, Lurie and Howie would fire Nick before moving off Jalen given the cost.Aside from the dead cap, at what point does it actually give us cap space regardless of what the dead cap charge is?
20 hours ago20 hr 16 minutes ago, vikas83 said:Just to round this out, if we traded Hurts this offseason, it's around $65mm in dead money as his 2026 guaranteed comp moves to the acquiring team.But no, we aren't trading the QB who took us to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years (and one won while playing well in both) to accommodate a bad OC. Hell, Lurie and Howie would fire Nick before moving off Jalen given the cost.Thats what makes the Hurts support so hard to digest. Theyd be willing to make a million wrong decisions to protect the guy who is the actual issue. Nothing would be fixed, and a potentially historically great HC would be gone. Im ok with losing Patullo. Hes not THE issue, but hes not great.Im fully on the Siri bandwagon though. He has won in spite of Hurts, and he has kept the team together for this long, despite HOF talented WRs having to play with a complete trash QB. Despite their frustrations, he has kept it together. Thats a hell of a job and very few can do it.
20 hours ago20 hr 22 minutes ago, vikas83 said:It's 8,000,000% more likely than them moving on from Hurts.But neither is happening.You are probably right. I'll admit I'm still in awe of what I saw last night and what they guy did with good weapons. I hope he stays healthy the entire year, but he usually misses time. If the kid comes in and looks good even with this OC it might be a different story.
20 hours ago20 hr 32 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:Best defense possibly in franchise historyBest running game in franchise historyBest OL in the leagueHe bawled out in the SB but let's be honest. Most of the good QBs in the league would have in that situation. Baker wouldn't have won that SB? Stafford? Hell if you give Daniels that OL, RB, and WRs he would have as well.Eagles lucky to have him? Sure. But good QBs elevate the people around him. He constantly needs others to lift him be it the OC, the line, or a run game. He does not bring out the best in his WRs like we saw Joe do last night. The OC sucks, but I'm tired of having a QB who needs the perfect situations with that much talent around him in order to play well.Did you see how Mahomes looks without a good offensive line recently. That's really their main problem right now. No QB really looks good with a mediocre offensive line. Even Brady! All of that is exaggerated with everything having to be perfect for him to be considered great. It's a team game. He's made enough plays to get us 4 wins this year with a tough schedule and guys injured everywhere. Giants game and performanceis a one-off cuz of all the injuries and short week.Bad assessments in here being formed off of one bad game. Rest of games been solid. Again with terrible play calling and design and injuries on the line. And team altogether. Want to see what happens when all players are back and play calling improves as well. Barkley is having a terrible year statistically. Is he now a bad running back? Peeps here are delusional in their analysis and can't see the big picture IN WHAT HE IS! Helluva QB 1!!
20 hours ago20 hr Intended Air Yards - Hurts is the only QB in the top 10 for full time starters every year on these lists. 2021-2025https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-intended-yardsCompletion % over Expectation: Same here for 2022-present, he led the league in 2024https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2025/REG/all#completionPercentageAboveExpectationHe throws the ball as deep as anyone and deeper than most.He completes difficult throws as much as anyone and more than most.He is an elite QB by almost every measure besides 1983 based passing yards and passing TD totals.None of this is opinion. Its what happened on the field.Passer Rating: 2022-present4th20th (94.5 / 77.5 split 11-1 vs 1-5)5th13thQB Combined TDs 2021-present14th4th3rd8th6thTD to INT rate 2022-present3rd26th or 27th6th3rdQB Rushing Yards 2021-present1st4th3rd3rd4thNote: I include some but not all of 2021 stats. He was a first year starter with flaws in his game but already showed lots that was good.Feel free to look up anything else on the internet.
20 hours ago20 hr 12 minutes ago, SkippyX said:What people don't understand is that when an offense has this many problems, the team usually winds up 4-13 or 5-12Hurts was the offense vs Dallas. They All 22 guys in the week after the game used words like perfect and he took everything that was there.He was incredible vs Denver. Watch the plays. He connected on 500+ yards of Eagles advancing the ball through the air between his 280+, plays called back on penalties, and Pi called and not called.There is no opinion to be had on this. Its there to be seen. Goedert slowed down on the play that Higgins made to set up the game winner last night. Hurts threw Goedert open but Goedert did not get around the guy. The throw to AJ was a perfectly placed deep ball. AJ admitted he quit on the play.He was amazing in half the game vs both LA and Tampa. Do you think the Toth execution fumble was a personal failing of Hurts? Did you watch tape and see how Hurts just missed easy open passes in the other half vs Tampa?They should be 5-1 based on Hurts carrying this terrible offense. AJ quit so the 5th win is a loss.I'd say the same thing about Lamar or Allen or Mahomes if they were carrying their teams through a crisis.It’s uncanny how Hurts haters forget the dozens and dozens of plays he’s made that have won us games but remember the one or two bad plays he’s made. And they harp on those two plays for weeks.It really is a disorder.Hurts Derangement SyndromeH.D.S.
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