5 minutes ago, B3 said:

@mattwill

Eagles are going to blow it.

Tatergeddon will ensue.

Vikings 32

Eagles 17

Wentz w/3 TDs

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

You know, rejecting discussion on the actual topic for a minute, am I the only one who feels like the whole Super Bowl MVP thing has been excessively referred to when talking about Jalen this year?

I definitely don't recall it being used at such a heavy capacity after the first Super Bowl to defend Foles for why he should be starting over Wentz? And frankly, the level of difficulty for Foles' Super Bowl win blows Jalen's win difficulty out of the water, they're not even in the same universe. People kind of messed around with Foles like 'That's Super Bowl MVP Nick Foles to you", but that's about as far as they got.

So why suddenly are people treating Super Bowl MVP like League MVP, but only when it comes to Jalen? Just wondering.

Because Hurts plays great in big games which is part of what he brings. Foles situation was completely different.

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Just as long as you are honest about the limitations of everyone who ever played the position.

You hold me to it. Not sure where I’ve been dishonest on that topic but anything is possible.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

You hold me to it. Not sure where I’ve been dishonest on that topic but anything is possible.

Sorry, English is a weird language... that is the plural you. I was not picking you out specifically, just continuing the conversation.

Everyone who has a conversation about QB play can be delusional or honest.

Manning averaged 18.3 picks a year through age 27. Lots here think he was awesome because they were told to think that.

9 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Just as long as you are honest about the limitations of everyone who ever played the position.

For example: Peyton Manning through his age 27 season was no Jalen Hurts. (efficiency, wins, and playoff success)

This was on an offense full of pro bowl players and Hall of Fame weapons.

Got it

@mattwill

Eagles 30

Vikings 23

Only because I keep repeating..."this is not 2023...this is not 2023"

10 hours ago, devpool said:

In no world does having Sydney Brown starting make this team better. Guy is awful, reckless, and almost as much of an idiot as Carter when it comes to penalties.

Sydney Brown isn’t "awful/reckless”. He had one sideline incident last year and some fans didn’t like it.

I actually liked what he did - the only guy on the defense with a set of nuts to standup for his teammates.

This defense has become soft - need more guys like Brown and CJGJ.

42 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

What should the Phillies do at 1st base?

They should put a player there!

41 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Because Hurts plays great in big games which is part of what he brings. Foles situation was completely different.

Your because doesn't even make sense as an answer, that was literally the thing about Foles, he went into Hall of Famer mode late in seasons and when he got in that mode, half the time you just lost by default. The situations may be different but I don't get why 'Jalen plays great in big games' is the response when that was also one of Foles' strong traits when he played for us? Can you elaborate?

Why exactly does this make his Super Bowl MVP count as League MVP, but that doesn't apply to anyone else?

12 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

They should put a player there!

Who

58 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

With Hurts at QB you will never see any under-center play action passing. Four OCs with knowledge of those plays have not been able to make them a part of the scheme. I guarantee Sirianni isn't vetoing an approach that has shown to be successful. It's the QB. He clearly doesn't want to turn his back to the defense to fake a handoff. We never throw when Hurts is under center.

That said, Hurts offsets his limitations as a passer with above average accuracy and a nice deep ball. His game is further enhanced by his scrambling and running.

So, all-in-all, he is an asset at the position. But be honest with yourselves as to how Hurts is succeeding as a QB.

His biggest problem by far is that he doesn't use timing enough, preferring to extend the play and wait for someone to come open. They really need to go full Atlanta and run pistol constantly, if Jalen hates under center so much but they want to give the backs more of a running start, the answer is use pistol way more. That's the biggest thing I criticize him for, playing QB without a good feeling for using timing in schematics to your advantage makes your job 3x harder at the least by default, and I'm tired of the Eagles doing things on hard mode with top of the league offensive talent year after year.

The primary thing I want from a QB is to get the easy stuff right, the second thing is to not lose football games. Jalen does the second one okay because he plays so cautious now, but he absolutely does not do the first.

17 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Sydney Brown isn’t "awful/reckless”. He had one sideline incident last year and some fans didn’t like it.

I actually liked what he did - the only guy on the defense with a set of nuts to standup for his teammates.

This defense has become soft - need more guys like Brown and CJGJ.

Brown is a walking 15 yard penalty and reckless. He’s fine where he is on ST where he just has to run straight and can hit what is in front of him. He doesn’t have the smarts or restraint to be a starting safety.

Is Jalen Hurts good enough to win a Superbowl? Or nah? Thats all that really matters. He is a winner and will once again go on his haters eat crow tour. You would think some of you would have learned your lesson

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's not about being smart or dumb, it's about how adaptable you are. I've said it before, Siri and Johnson are average offensive minds. Average offensive minds need their bread and butters, the kind of fundamental basics of playing QB and the concepts that associate well with those things. Timing, and willing to rely on that for completions.

Average isn't dumb. But Hurts is FAR harder to design a scheme for that works season after season than people are admitting. It requires a GOOD offensive mind to produce an ACCEPTABLE offense, which is a notably higher difficulty than for many other QBs who at least have some basic QB position fundamentals. And that's really what it comes down to. You're designing an offense for someone who isn't comfortable making some of the most bread and butter throws in the NFL.

I've always said I'd support Hurts fine if he improved in his ability to deliver the football on time after the snap, and used timing better, but frankly all he's done is show that he's just as bad with that as I thought, with the OL having some shaky games. He needs every bit of the time they've given him for several years, and that's pretty rough.

You are making things FAR too complicated. It's common sense that Hurts does better with an RPO heavy offense, designed runs, and roll outs for him. On the flip side it's also common sense that he will not thrive as a traditional pocket passer. Good coaches adapt their system to the talent they have (at any level) and bad coaches try to make players fit into their system even if they don't.

19 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Brown is a walking 15 yard penalty and reckless. He’s fine where he is on ST where he just has to run straight and can hit what is in front of him. He doesn’t have the smarts or restraint to be a starting safety.

When was the last time he started? Some of your thought processes are laughable, "Sydney Brown is reckless and can’t start because he got penalty two years ago”

lol

Like seriously?

18 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Is Jalen Hurts good enough to win a Superbowl? Or nah?

I can't wait to find out!

38 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

They should put a player there!

Bryce is in the GG mix at first, keep him there. What I'd like to see is good power bats in the outfield and at 3rd base, move Turner to DH (presuming Schwarber signs elsewhere), move Stott back to SS and Sosa at 2nd until Miller is ready for the majors amd then Stott back to 2nd. Hopefully Bader sticks around.

46 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Sydney Brown isn’t "awful/reckless”. He had one sideline incident last year and some fans didn’t like it.

I actually liked what he did - the only guy on the defense with a set of nuts to standup for his teammates.

This defense has become soft - need more guys like Brown and CJGJ.

No we do not need more undisciplined dbs acting fake tough and missing tackles

3 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I think we should definitely play with one!

46 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

They should put a player there!

Joe: not afraid to put out a controversial take!

Thoughts on Chris Simms' Jalen Hurts comments about him being solely responsible for why the offense is the way it is?

He said something like "I've heard from people in that building who say they aren't changing the offense because Jalen Hurts isn't having it if they try to change the offense. Nick Sirianni was the OC of the Colts where they routinely made adjustments week to week and he didn't just go to Philadelphia and forget how to run those kinds of offenses."

38 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Is Jalen Hurts good enough to win a Superbowl? Or nah? Thats all that really matters. He is a winner and will once again go on his haters eat crow tour. You would think some of you would have learned your lesson

With the second best Eagles defense in history (1991), combined with the best Eagles running game in history, most certainly.
If he played like 2022, most certainly!

Unfortunately, we're kind of missing those things...

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Thoughts on Chris Simms' Jalen Hurts comments about him being solely responsible for why the offense is the way it is?

He said something like "I've heard from people in that building who say they aren't changing the offense because Jalen Hurts isn't having it if they try to change the offense. Nick Sirianni was the OC of the Colts where they routinely made adjustments week to week and he didn't just go to Philadelphia and forget how to run those kinds of offenses."

Chris Simms's life purpose is to talk stink about Jalen Hurts. His father was a game manager QB, and he is a never-was. Jeff Hostetler won a SB with the talent his Dad had. He is a biased clown who needs to find a new bowl to give his barber.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Thoughts on Chris Simms' Jalen Hurts comments about him being solely responsible for why the offense is the way it is?

He said something like "I've heard from people in that building who say they aren't changing the offense because Jalen Hurts isn't having it if they try to change the offense. Nick Sirianni was the OC of the Colts where they routinely made adjustments week to week and he didn't just go to Philadelphia and forget how to run those kinds of offenses."

Doesn't exactly sound much different from what we've been hearing, or from what Jalen said before with his 'goes the way Jalen Hurts wants' comments. He's a hack though so who knows if he's telling the truth.

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Thoughts on Chris Simms

Let me stop you right there.

😄

Every other team is praised for tailoring the offense to the QB's strengths, and that the offense may look different when a change at QB is made because you're working with what each QB does well.

People forget how much fans complained about Foles at first when he replaced Wentz in 2017, he didn't look good initially. Until they went back to look at what worked for him under a different coach and OC, and then adapted to what he did well. That worked. They didn't just force Foles to run the playbook, they adapted to him. Granted that's for a backup situation not a long-term starter.

Foles earlier replaced Vick, and obviously Foles couldn't run like Vick so they can't expect the same.