28 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They have CB options on the street. You are right.

They have a CB returning from injury as well. Same for Edge.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

After yesterday I don’t see how anyone can miss the fact that the problem with the O this year is and has been the OL. No doubt a few in here will stubbornly stick with their dug in positions.

I’m thinking Howie’s prio should shift to iOL rather than Edge or CB. If they can’t get at least a mediocre push up front then they will be bounced early. Steen now looks very average and the other two are just plain old banged up. They need some help.

There's blame to go around everywhere. The OL has not played well. The playcalling has been subpar. Hurts, for as outstanding as he looks at times can look equally lost at others.

My hope is that yesterday will propel us forward. We'll find out even more about this team next week. Passing and running PA from under center was a big step. The running lanes are slowly starting to get there. Very slowly.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He's a rookie and he'll have lapses. He's still better than Brown. So, what other choice do they really have? Let him learn on the job. At least this way they will know what they have in him, unlike Ringo, whom they believed was better than he really is. But they never knew because he didn't get on the field to prove it.

To add on to this, I think the lack of a good, consistent pass rush and the complete lack of a second outside corner are going to make his job much, much harder

Can’t see what Devonta is doing at the bottom of the screen, but what is this play call and what is the purpose of having that route be run by AJ? What kind of effort is that on the route?

20 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

I think 11 wins will probably win the NFC BEAST this year. I do not believe the GMen will get to double digits. The Boys will have to go 7-3 over the next 10 games to get to 10. Washington also would have to go 7-3 to get to 10. The Eagles just have to go 6-4 over the next 10 and they would finish with 11 wins. The Eagles also play the Cowboys again and Washington twice.

You'd have to go through these threads but I said the exact thing at the beginning of the season when everyone was looking at the schedule. The whole NFC East was playing the AFC West and NFC North which are brutal. Yes the Eagles have some harder games due to winning the NFC East last year but I said it a bunch of times that 11-6 would win the division.

And yes, we'd all love another Super Bowl victory...I get it. But they are hard to come by as evidenced by my first fing 50 years or so on this planet. We now have 2! Enjoy this time!

The Broncos are this year's Commanders. Winning games they have no business winning and they'll end up getting blown out in the playoffs.

Careers have been destroyed and players have lost tons of money because they don't fit schemes. Huff is a pure pass rusher, fits well in a Shwartz style defense where your only job is to get after the QB. Fangio expects his rushers to be able to cover and do a myriad of other things and then rush the passer. It takes a special athlete to pull it off and still get home.

When the Eagles put Huff on the field. Offenses knew he was coming and could exploit him. Not his fault, square peg, round hole and a gigantic tell.

This is what concerns me about APR. In a downhill system, he would probably thrive. Here, he may not see the field. I'm hoping he is bulking up and they can develop him into what they need.

We're going to need to invest money at the edge position when we find the right fits.

10 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Hurts hitting on a few big passes really is lipstick on a pig. It sounds silly to complain or point out negatives about a win when WR1 and WR2 had 300 combined yards and 3 TDs, but...

The offense can't run the ball. The routes the WR are running are still pure garbage. The ball goes to 11, 6, 88 on a comeback or for some reason they still love the behind the LOS pass to 26 for an automatic 5 yard loss. There's no reason to have WR3-5 on the team. Bigsby finally gets a run, gets 11 yards and then they don't go back to him for 3 quarters.

This offense is so bad, so predictable and just so boring.

I think expectations are way too high.

I feel bad for Jalen. Developed himself into one of the best QB's in the league and got saddled with a OC luddite. When our best plays are outside structure and players are calling out the weaknesses in a defense, there is a problem with the play caller. There is only one person who can't read a defense and the problem is that he's our OC.

Make a deal with the Dolphins. Send them a 3rd rounder and Patullo for their head coach.

1 hour ago, Eagles1960 said:

Definitely agree on Muluba. I thought I was the only person here not impressed with him. He is a poor tackler probably due to his slight frame but his coverage is generally bad. They are rolling with him no matter what as he just played 100% of the snaps but he worries me in coverage.

The Jefferson miss was as much mental as physical. Mukuba should’ve leveraged his approach/tackle from the outside since he had help coming in from the LB (Campbell iirc). Yes, breakdown and make the tackle but as the last line of defense he has to minimize the chance of the big play.

In coverage he’s focused on the QB, but once a receiver enters his zone some man principles kick in, where he needs to respond to how the route is shaded or more quickly to what is happening at the stem. It’s not easy looking through the WR/TE and still tracking where the QB is going, but this is valuable experience.

27 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Can’t see what Devonta is doing at the bottom of the screen, but what is this play call and what is the purpose of having that route be run by AJ? What kind of effort is that on the route?

4D chess. Lulling them to sleep.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The Jefferson miss was as much mental as physical. Mukuba should’ve leveraged his approach/tackle from the outside since he had help coming in from the LB (Campbell iirc). Yes, breakdown and make the tackle but as the last line of defense he has to minimize the chance of the big play.

In coverage he’s focused on the QB, but once a receiver enters his zone some man principles kick in, where he needs to respond to how the route is shaded or more quickly to what is happening at the stem. It’s not easy looking through the WR/TE and still tracking where the QB is doing, but this is valuable experience.

He's very much like CJGJ. He's making big plays and missing plays. But he's just a rookie and the he'll get better. What Mitchell and DeJean did last year was extremely unusual.

22 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The Broncos are this year's Commanders. Winning games they have no business winning and they'll end up getting blown out in the playoffs.

The Commanders won two playoff games before they got steam rolled by the Eagles.

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

The Jefferson miss was as much mental as physical. Mukuba should’ve leveraged his approach/tackle from the outside since he had help coming in from the LB (Campbell iirc). Yes, breakdown and make the tackle but as the last line of defense he has to minimize the chance of the big play.

In coverage he’s focused on the QB, but once a receiver enters his zone some man principles kick in, where he needs to respond to how the route is shaded or more quickly to what is happening at the stem. It’s not easy looking through the WR/TE and still tracking where the QB is doing, but this is valuable experience.

It looks like his struggles are with adapting to the speed of the NFL. He slows down to break down for the tackle, and next thing you know, Jefferson is gone up the sideline and Mukuba never even gets a hand on him. He looks a bit unsure of himself and needs to just start running through the tackle.

Same with the first big, really ugly coverage bust where the WR ends up behind him and he just flails an arm out there hoping to tip the ball. I feel like hes not realizing how quickly things can happen out there in the NFL.

29 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Can’t see what Devonta is doing at the bottom of the screen, but what is this play call and what is the purpose of having that route be run by AJ? What kind of effort is that on the route?

The ball wasn't designed for AJ. They kept 8 guys in coverage and somehow only had a safety on AJ on that side of the field meaning 7 guys were clogging up everything else. In many ways Flores read exactly what the Eagles were trying to do and called a great D. BUT Hurts had so much time with 3 guys rushing that he and AJ did what they did so it becomes bad D.

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The ball wasn't designed for AJ. They kept 8 guys in coverage and somehow only had a safety on AJ on that side of the field meaning 7 guys were clogging up everything else. In many ways Flores read exactly what the Eagles were trying to do and called a great D. BUT Hurts had so much time with 3 guys rushing that he and AJ did what they did so it becomes bad D.

Yeah if there was a flaw to the defensive play call here, it's wasting a player to spy when the LB has a 50/50 shot to make the open field tackle if Hurts breaks the pocket anyway. I think it's better to just send him and see if he can force an early throw or bring him down in the back field instead. Instead he just sits back and doesn't do much of anything to contribute to the play.

51 minutes ago, Swoop said:

There's blame to go around everywhere. The OL has not played well. The playcalling has been subpar. Hurts, for as outstanding as he looks at times can look equally lost at others.

My hope is that yesterday will propel us forward. We'll find out even more about this team next week. Passing and running PA from under center was a big step. The running lanes are slowly starting to get there. Very slowly.

i hear ya. Hurts is a very very good yet flawed QB and those flaws have been present early on. Also, KP has not been a good play caller. They’ve also clearly restricted called Hurts runs. None the less, they have built a culture and plan around a bruising OL and they have just the opposite this year. They aren’t winning a SB with Hurts throwing over 30x a game week in and week out.

16 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

He's very much like CJGJ. He's making big plays and missing plays. But he's just a rookie and the he'll get better. What Mitchell and DeJean did last year was extremely unusual.

Yup, it’s been a mix. From my perspective I think Mukuba is a smart coachable kid with some good tools in coverage so you put up with the growing pains.

You know the pass rush is cooked when Patrick Johnson is getting meaningful snaps. 38%, that's way too high.

Smith coming back is a plus, but Howie really needs to bring in some more help..

9 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Thoughts on the game…

• Biggest takeaway from me? Hurts delivered on the deep ball. It’s his "fastball” as a passer. When he hits on those in high leverage moments, he’s the best can be. Was nice to see after a frustrating month.

• Patullo is still bad. Hoping we can land McDaniel as a "senior offensive assistant” after he gets fired.

• I want to see less Saquon for a bit. The iOL is a mess right now, the run calls are predictable. His huge workloads aren’t getting the team anywhere and wearing him down for no reason. Shipley and Bigsby are intriguing backs - use them to their strengths.

• Speaking of the iOL… I never want to see Toth play football again.

• Kickoff return is still terrible. Seems like we either have a bad return or a decent return called back from a penalty on every single one.

• Was great to see Dean playing again. Good run defender, great timing on his rushes, lots of fire on the field. Looked really good to me.

• Mukuba is a limited, massively high variance player. I don’t trust him at all in coverage before the receiver breaks. The lateral quickness isn’t there, and he’s gonna get Moss’d several times per season. People wrongly assume that because he played nickel in college that he was good at it. He really wasn’t. He and CB2 have been the biggest liabilities so far on defense, more than the pass rush.

• My biggest fear? Howie Golden Tates us again, this time for an edge.

Pretty spot on and how I feel.

-Hurts deep ball had been off for the first 6 games. He just wasn't hitting them. Great to see it today, but those huge plays really mask how bad the rest of the passing game is. Even on AJ Brown's first TD, which had a fantastic result, the play was an absolute mess.

-The only thing I don't agree with. I'm not understanding the love for McDaniel. Maybe pre-Miami, but I get such an entitled Dbag feel from him since he's been a HC. Is the guy stoned 24/7? He just seems uninterested in the game.

-Toth has no reason to be on this team.

-ST in general. Mann has had several weeks of crappy punts. It took them how many weeks for Bigsby to get yanked and Gipson looks 20x better. Illegal double team? Kick not reaching the landing zone? Some really bad ST play.

-Nakobe Dean is just a player. He's going to make it really difficult for the Eagles to let him walk. He's terrific in attacking the LOS.

-Mukuba is still young and he does flash, but talk about a liability in certain areas. The missed tackled on Jefferson was ugly. He has a lot of work to do for me to feel comfortable. I still think Brown offers upside too.

-If Howie makes a trade, I want it to be for a player who will be here for more than just this year, and a player who's not a bum!

24 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The Commanders won two playoff games before they got steam rolled by the Eagles.

The Broncos may end up winning a playoff game, too. My point is that they're ultimately pretenders. The AFC is pretty much a garbage heap, minus a handful of teams.

Only 4/16 teams in the NFC are below .500 but half the AFC is.

One thing I noticed, on AJs 2nd TD, as soon as he topped the receiver he kind of purposefully slowed down a little bit.

On their last one, Hurts overthrew it because AJ slowed down. I wonder if they've just communicated that this is what AJ will do because he knows once he's behind a DB it's over and he's in control.

6 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

You know the pass rush is cooked when Patrick Johnson is getting meaningful snaps. 38%, that's way too high.

Smith coming back is a plus, but Howie really needs to bring in some more help..

38 snaps combined for PJ and Byron Young. UGH, just way too many. These guys should not be on the field for more than a handful. Instead they are being depended on for larger roles.

14 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What happened?!

It is unclear but it's a weird story: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/oct/20/doug-martin-death-police-custody-tampa-bay-boise-state It sounds like police were called because someone thought he was a burglar. He was having a medical emergency and died in police custody.

7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

The Broncos may end up winning a playoff game, too. My point is that they're ultimately pretenders. The AFC is pretty much a garbage heap, minus a handful of teams.

Only 4/16 teams in the NFL are below .500 but half the AFC is.

Most won’t want to admit it, but no one in the AFC is going to be able to touch KC as the season progresses. They’re getting healthier and firing on all cylinders now. They might win out the rest of the regular season.

54 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Can’t see what Devonta is doing at the bottom of the screen, but what is this play call and what is the purpose of having that route be run by AJ? What kind of effort is that on the route?

Its the same BS 2×2 route cobo Patullo has been running all year, mirror routes on each side where one guy runs a go other guy runs a curl.

In this case Brown on far side runs a curl, with goedert in slot running a go then opposite side smitty in slot runs a curl and ditson runs a go

The D knew it was coming cause when its 2×2 on 3rd down patullo has consistently run that route combo, you can see the D sit on all the routes, only reason it works this time is because AJ and hurts play backyard ball.

Part of me wonders if it was actually designed tuat way as Patullo set it up hoping the D would key on the predictability then slow play it and when they bite hit it over the top.

Even if you watch smith on his route he does the same as brown, he comes off the ball delayed and then just kind of runs a lazy curl route, so im wondering if it was some sort of window dressing or the WRs know its crap routes that the DBs are sitting on so why bother.🤷‍♂️