5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Remember when Devonta wouldn't sign a second deal here because he didn't see the ball week 1 in 2022? Or Lito Shepperd was a bust because he didn't dress week 1 in 2002?

A tale as old as time.

And Fletcher Cox won't be re-signed because that offseason Howie was extending other players first (because it was easier to structure Cox's deal around all the others). And Baun will be leaving because Howie won't pay a Linebacker. And they won't extend Cam Jurgens, too much money on the O line already. It's always something.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Right. It doesnt matter. And Im not complaining about winning. Its just a bit nauseating to sit by and see people talk about 150, or 175 yards as a lot of yards, which happened in here yesterday. So I said something. And all of the jumpy Hurts supporters jumped all over it. Which is ridiculous because clearly I am right. That is not a lot of yards.

When you begin defending that crazy comment by saying, it was enough to win- that moves the goalposts. Thats a completely different conversation.

Did Herbert put up 350 total yds against the Chiefs last week? That seems like a lot to me, but Jalen will get his shot at that defense tomorrow.

Well UH put it to the Neon Deions last night. Maybe we won’t be in last place in the Big 12 after all, pundits.

Look at that list of more passing yards last year than Hurts, and all the success they had.

Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, Sam Darnold, Brock Purdy, Kyler Murray, wow! Those guys are real winners.

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Look at that list of more passing yards last year than Hurts, and all the success they had.

Baker Mayfield, Geno Smith, Sam Darnold, Brock Purdy, Kyler Murray, wow! Those guys are real winners.

Yabbut let's talk about rushing yards. That's what's important for modern quarterbacks I'm told.

33 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

This team can really be just as good with a WR corps full of Nate Burlesons rather than the elite guys we have outside. Just a couple really good possession guys. And it would help Howie with the cap keeping the rest of it together.

Not condoning trading our guys. Just saying...

I disagree, I think Jalen needs those elite weapons to get his adequate numbers in the passing game. AJ/Smitty are masterful at getting wide open, and additionally in AJ’s case fighting for deep balls along the sideline. They provide safe targets for the QB to find quickly and deliver the ball to. Lesser receivers, equals more contested throws or more reads required which means more turnovers or scrambling or sacks. The key here is provide enough of a passing game to keep the defense honest, so that the running game of which Hurts is an integral part (if healthy) can win the game offensively… the defense obviously has to be very good as well.

6 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I was completely satisfied. That still doesn't mean we can pretend he threw for a lot of yards. Let's just be honest about it.

Why is throwing for a lot of yards important? Isn’t winning what is important? If we’re being honest …

3 hours ago, greend said:

@mattwill

Chefs 41 Eagle 37

Thanks good friend!

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Why is throwing for a lot of yards important? Isn’t winning what is important? If we’re being honest …

The depth of target is the issue for me, and the effect that had on the run game. The OC needs to spread out and back off the opposing defenses so that Saquon can efficiently move the ball.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

People have been trying to make AJ Brown a diva and a problem for 3 years and he signed an extension and loves being here. Plenty of players express frustration at times. Kelce, Lane Johnson, others over the years but they don't get the same reaction. Fangio openly criticizes players in the media and everyone loves it.

WRs have a reputation, more so than any other position group, for diva behavior. Philadelphia fans have been burned by WR divas in the past with the way TO left town. We are suffering from a form of PTSD.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

There is a difference between the Mendoza line for doing "enough" vs actually throwing for a lot of yards.

Mendoza line in baseball is .200. When a player hits .220 i dont think everyone starts pretending he is a great hitter. I guess unless that player would be Jalen Hurts. Seems like .150 would be an absolutely great average.

The Mendoza Line in baseball wouldn’t simply be batting average. RBIs or on base percentage would probably have a higher statistical correlation to the team winning than batting average.

2 hours ago, just relax said:

Nastygram

Indeed. The Regular Season has arrived and Dr Jekyl has turned into Mr Hyde.

7 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Yabbut let's talk about rushing yards. That's what's important for modern quarterbacks I'm told.

The goal of the team is to move the ball downfield and get in the endzone. How that happens doesn't matter. Theoretically, you could win by scoring only field goals and your defense stopping the other offense.

Philly fans used to want strong running game and tough defense. We have that, but some complain they don't pass enough. Hurts and the Eagles have added a lot of interest to the discussion. A "running QB" winning games, winning a Super Bowl. Hurts keeps saying winning is the only thing that matters. Barkley has started to say that as well, that stats and personal achievements like having a gold border around the patch on your uniform doesn't matter, it's winning.

As I've said, I think you need balance and you need to be able to get it done in the passing game when you need to. But if your team identity is a running team with a QB who can run and the best RB in the NFL then run the ball like crazy and make them stop you. But you better not be one dimensional. They've proven they can pass when needed, just enough but not overly impressive numbers. The Chiefs focused on the run and Hurts was able to pass well and get receivers involved. It worked well and they won.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Since this whole discussion is about needing to have a better passing game than in week 1, your 200 passing yard stat is incorrect. Id be pretty happy to get to that.

His point is that the whole discussion is misguided.

The team won, and the QB was a major contributor to that win. That should be enough to slake any appetite.

Unfortunately Fantasy Football has intruded, but the simple solution to that is to not draft Hurts for your team unless TDs are the most important Fantasy point accumulator.

Hurts is a budding Aikman or Bradshaw to me. Those guys are rightly regarded as great HOF QBs and they never put up huge passing yards. Hurts needs to win a couple more SBs to reach their level but I see no reason why he can't do that.

10 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The goal of the team is to move the ball downfield and get in the endzone. How that happens doesn't matter. Theoretically, you could win by scoring only field goals and your defense stopping the other offense.

Philly fans used to want strong running game and tough defense. We have that, but some complain they don't pass enough. Hurts and the Eagles have added a lot of interest to the discussion. A "running QB" winning games, winning a Super Bowl. Hurts keeps saying winning is the only thing that matters. Barkley has started to say that as well, that stats and personal achievements like having a gold border around the patch on your uniform doesn't matter, it's winning.

As I've said, I think you need balance and you need to be able to get it done in the passing game when you need to. But if your team identity is a running team with a QB who can run and the best RB in the NFL then run the ball like crazy and make them stop you. But you better not be one dimensional. They've proven they can pass when needed, just enough but not overly impressive numbers. The Chiefs focused on the run and Hurts was able to pass well and get receivers involved. It worked well and they won.

We want it all. We always do. And we want most that which we don't currently have. Grass is always greener and all that.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

We want it all. We always do. And we want most that which we don't currently have. Grass is always greener and all that.

I want to repeat, then 3-peat, especially to do it after stopping the Chiefs from doing it.

9 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The Mendoza Line in baseball wouldn’t simply be batting average. RBIs or on base percentage would probably have a higher statistical correlation to the team winning than batting average.

iirc The Mendoza line was a statistical threshold to indicate if a player had the minimum qualifications stick in the league. If you put 9 Mendozas into your lineup, you’re likely to have a bad team. But if you have a team full of Harpers and Swarbers, then a Mendoza can be adequate for an important role.

Jalen’s 175yds per game and no turnovers is enough for this team to win consistently given the strength of the overall roster. But if the Batmen aren’t doing their job at an elite level for whatever reason… injury, coaching, age - then Robin is going need to pick up his game, which Jalen generally has but in my opinion isn’t sustainable as he typically does it with his legs and not his arm.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

His point is that the whole discussion is misguided.

The team won, and the QB was a major contributor to that win. That should be enough to slake any appetite.

Unfortunately Fantasy Football has intruded, but the simple solution to that is to not draft Hurts for your team unless TDs are the most important Fantasy point accumulator.

Watching that game, the frustrating thing from my perspective is that they completed only 1 pass that went more than 10 yards in the air... and most were in the 5 and under range. That can be a problem long term. The running game needs the passing game to be a little more open to keep teams from stacking 8 and 9 in the box constantly. If you don't throw the ball down the field a little bit, that's going to be a problem, because stacking the box makes the running hard and if it also contributes to clogging up the passing lanes you prefer... that's a major issue moving forward.

What we saw in the Super Bowl, is what we want/expect when teams stack the box. That's what we were hoping for. We convinced ourselves that there was a corner turned and that the passing game was going to open up, if the running game was shut down. We anticipated that teams would stack the box to stop Barkley this year. And what we saw Thursday night was not an 'open' passing game. It was a very constricted passing game, with 1 deep shot. We've seen that before in previous seasons and that was a problem then. We don't want it to be a problem moving forward. What we REALLY want is another parade... this year! But, you can't get that in Week 1 or 2. So we have a long road ahead of us.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

iirc The Mendoza line was a statistical threshold to indicate if a player had the minimum qualifications stick in the league. If you put 9 Mendozas into your lineup, you’re likely to have a bad team. But if you have a team full of Harpers and Swarbers, then a Mendoza can be adequate for an important role.

Jalen’s 175yds per game and no turnovers is enough for this team to win consistently given the strength of the overall roster. But if the Batmen aren’t doing their job at an elite level for whatever reason… injury, coaching, age - then Robin is going need to pick up his game, which Jalen generally has but in my opinion isn’t sustainable as he typically does it with his legs and not his arm.

The man is on fire.

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I want to repeat, then 3-peat, especially to do it after stopping the Chiefs from doing it.

Amen.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

A guy in the 3rd or 4th slot in the lineup with a .210 avg 45 hrs and 130 rbis is doing just fine. Same for a QB who is on a 17 game winning streak and getting 200 yards passing and 50 yards rushing a game with minimal turnovers. Just win baby!

I want 3rd in the lineup to throw for 250 yards and 3 TDs every week, and I want my QB to shoot 40+% from the 3 point line and shoot 90% from the foul line. Anything else is like the point guard shooting wide of the net when the goalie is at midfield recreating the opening coin toss. Completely unacceptable for a midfielder.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I want 3rd in the lineup to throw for 250 yards and 3 TDs every week, and I want my QB to shoot 40+% from the 3 point line and shoot 90% from the foul line. Anything else is like the point guard shooting wide of the net when the goalie is at midfield recreating the opening coin toss. Completely unacceptable for a midfielder.

You don't want much do you

Checking in on the Chiefs fans over at their board Chiefs Kingdom, a summary of some of the things I've seen:

• Most think they'll lose because they recognize the Eagles are better than the Chargers, and have concerns about the Chiefs defense against our O line

• Most think we'll blow them out again

• Some are saying all the success in the SB was because of all the players who left, except Carter

• One guy suggested they should file a restraining order against Jalen Carter to keep him out of the game (not sure if serious)

• One guy suggested that last week the reason they lost is because...they had a 3 hour bus ride from the airport in Brazil. Seriously.

• Some are still arguing about who should start the GDT because of a superstition. They have to start the GDT at midnight, and only by 1 designated person. For the Super Bowl, some other guy started one, and too early. A surprising number of their fans blamed the SB loss on that, really.

• A couple fans mad we got Za'Darius Smith

• Seeing their fans complain about Andy Reid refusing to make adjustments and run the ball is delicious

• Some think they lost to the Chargers because they spent all offseason focusing on revenge against the Eagles

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Checking in on the Chiefs fans over at their board Chiefs Kingdom, a summary of some of the things I've seen:

• Most think they'll lose because they recognize the Eagles are better than the Chargers, and have concerns about the Chiefs defense against our O line

• Most think we'll blow them out again

• Some are saying all the success in the SB was because of all the players who left, except Carter

• One guy suggested they should file a restraining order against Jalen Carter to keep him out of the game (not sure if serious)

• One guy suggested that last week the reason they lost is because...they had a 3 hour bus ride from the airport in Brazil. Seriously.

• Some are still arguing about who should start the GDT because of a superstition. They have to start the GDT at midnight, and only by 1 designated person. For the Super Bowl, some other guy started one, and too early. A surprising number of their fans blamed the SB loss on that, really.

• A couple fans mad we got Za'Darius Smith

• Seeing their fans complain about Andy Reid refusing to make adjustments and run the ball is delicious

• Some think they lost to the Chargers because they spent all offseason focusing on revenge against the Eagles

Interesting, so what was the Chargers game…