It’s been nagging at me since Sunday…

Steen was called for illegal man downfield but I thought the rule was you can be downfield as long as you’re engaged in a block. Am I wrong?

15 minutes ago, shlo said:

This has always been my issue with Sirianni and why, despite his success, I don't think he's that great of a coach. Howie has gifted him a TON of talent. He should win. But on offense I don't see a scheme that elevates the talent. I see a scheme that depends on the talent. When I watch other teams play, I see more creativity, creative ways to get receivers open, creative ways to open up holes for the running backs. With the Eagles it's all predictable. We win because we just have more talent. It's been this way since Steichen left. It's Sirianni's offense. If Patullo is struggling, HE should be the person who can step in and ease the transition as Patullo learns his way.

The irony is, Sirianni gave playcalling to Steichen in his first season, because it wasn't going well. Siri may have been able to help in normal circumstances, but he's in the same boat as Patullo - and while Lurie likes to hire a fresh face as HC, the consequences of the policy come with a lack of experience in one area or another, exacerbated by the constant churn in OC in the Sirianni rein as HC.

Some of the issue is once the planning is over with, that is when the issues are most clear.

No Nabers & Slayton. They might be missing their RT. Tracy hasn't played since hurting his shoulder.

Our defense should have a bunch of stops.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

It’s been nagging at me since Sunday…

Steen was called for illegal man downfield but I thought the rule was you can be downfield as long as you’re engaged in a block. Am I wrong?

The old illegal man downfield because of the RPO QB double clutch - the NFL may have added some leeway if the engaged blocker is working backwards (not sure how that works, as we have our guys run blocking).

He needs to go

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Great post! I particularly like #7. Patullo does not sequence his plays. One play does not set up another. There is no rhythm. It's like he's always groping for the next play rather than knowing what it will be and why. Ugh!

I think he’s still struggling with the information overload between plays, calls are coming late and very little time to adjust protection, routes, motion. A game or 2 in the booth might do him some good to have a Birds Eye view. Unfortunately film review only goes so far in the heat of the moment/in game with adjusting. I just don’t understand running their heads into walls continually though. It’s clearly not working but the same things are being called continually. They give Hurts a lot of freedom, but not enough time to adjust.

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s been nagging at me since Sunday…

Steen was called for illegal man downfield but I thought the rule was you can be downfield as long as you’re engaged in a block. Am I wrong?

That call bugged me, he was in the ‘bubble’…but IIRC i think he was engaged with a LB and it was a when in doubt throw the flag moment by an incompetent ref crew.

32 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s been nagging at me since Sunday…

Steen was called for illegal man downfield but I thought the rule was you can be downfield as long as you’re engaged in a block. Am I wrong?

I think you have to have initiated the contact within a yard of the LOS and before the throw, then you can remain engaged downfield beyond one yard.

@ManuManu Has to have initiated within one yard and maintain the block without breaking contact. If they break contact after that point, they have to stop advancing. Nothing about the timing of the throw though, I must've been mixing in some aspects of the OPI rule with that.

Section 3 - Ineligible Player Downfield

Article 1. Legal And Illegal Acts

On a scrimmage play during which a legal forward pass is thrown, it is a foul if the entire body of an ineligible offensive player, including a T-Formation Quarterback, is more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage before the pass has been thrown.

Item 1. Legally Downfield. An ineligible player is not illegally downfield if, after initiating contact with an opponent within one yard of the line of scrimmage during his initial charge:

1. he moves more than one yard beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent;

2. after breaking legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he remains stationary, moves laterally, or moves toward his own goal line until a forward pass is thrown; or

3. after losing legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he is forced behind the line of scrimmage by an opponent, at which time he is again subject to normal blocking restrictions for an ineligible offensive player.

Note: If an ineligible offensive player moves beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent, an eligible offensive player may catch a pass between them and the line of scrimmage.

30 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He needs to go

Clown, absolute clown. And the subtext here is that "execution” is the problem, not the scheme. With THIS roster. Insanity.

I think it's important to point out that Patullo is a good play designer. Some of the wrinkles we've seen this year are top notch. He's just not a good play caller. He doesn't understand the chess match. He's 3 steps behind instead of 1 step ahead.

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Clown, absolute clown. And the subtext here is that "execution” is the problem, not the scheme. With THIS roster. Insanity.

Parullo: we are successful 20% of the time. We are historically bad 80% of the time. We are doing great!

4 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

I think it's important to point out that Patullo is a good play designer. Some of the wrinkles we've seen this year are top notch. He's just not a good play caller. He doesn't understand the chess match. He's 3 steps behind instead of 1 step ahead.

His play design as a whole has been beyond atrocious. I’m not sure what you’re seeing play design wise outside of a handful of plays that aren’t middle school level concepts. Sure there’s been a growing rate of wrinkles…I’ll give him that but overall in whole. TERRIBLE

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Great post! I particularly like #7. Patullo does not sequence his plays. One play does not set up another. There is no rhythm. It's like he's always groping for the next play rather than knowing what it will be and why. Ugh!

Not to worry. They pulled all-nighters leading up to Thursday's game. They will be very organized in the play calls this week.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

His play design as a whole has been beyond atrocious. I’m not sure what you’re seeing play design wise outside of a handful of plays that aren’t middle school level concepts. Sure there’s been a growing rate of wrinkles…I’ll give him that but overall in whole. TERRIBLE

We have a 92% red zone efficiency, partly due to unique play design. I know we want to throw him completely under the bus but I think it should be recognized that the guy has talent. Just not as a play caller.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

It’s been nagging at me since Sunday…

Steen was called for illegal man downfield but I thought the rule was you can be downfield as long as you’re engaged in a block. Am I wrong?

You are not wrong in that, but there is nuance to the rule. The block has to originate at the LOS. He was uncovered and engaged a player more than a single yard downfield.

5 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

I think it's important to point out that Patullo is a good play designer. Some of the wrinkles we've seen this year are top notch. He's just not a good play caller. He doesn't understand the chess match. He's three steps behind instead of 1 step ahead.

He is OK at wrinkles, but he can't design plays against a zone defense, can't design plays on first down or 3rd down. With such awful play design that is historically predictable, it is not possible to be a good play caller. He is so bad that the only recourse he and Sirianni have is to defend how putrid his offense is by blaming the players for poor execution. They are low key throwing the players under the bus by saying the offense would be good if the players just executed better. Lousy play design, lousy coaching, lousy protection of the players.

56 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

That sounds pretty wild, a RB wheel route vs man coverage doesn't exist?

Patullo is going to follow the Sirianni script, not throw his players under the bus.

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not to worry. They pulled all-nighters leading up to Thursday's game. They will be very organized in the play calls this week.

Worked for Juan Castillo, no worries.

7 minutes ago, Vileborg said:

We have a 92% red zone efficiency, partly due to unique play design. I know we want to throw him completely under the bus but I think it should be recognized that the guy has talent. Just not as a play caller.

The shovel passes and the fake tush push were good. That’s 3 of 12 RZ TD’s. Hurts had 2 hero moment scrambles against Dallas, 2 tush pushes, Saquon had a few big boy runs in the RZ. IIRC AJ’s TD was on a scramble drill. Outside of that I’d need to see the rest. I think Smith’s RZ TD was off a nicely designed rub.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are not wrong in that, but there is nuance to the rule. The block has to originate at the LOS. He was uncovered and engaged a player more than a single yard downfield.

Steen appeared to be at or barely past the 1 yard mark IMO, though the replay i saw it’s really hard to track the original LOS. I don’t blame the refs for throwing the flag to be honest if it was a remotely competently officiated game. I think things were just so inconsistent that it stands out as a just let them play and stop slowing the game down thing.

Big picture, the NFL hustle culture is so stupid to me. Who gives a crap if you sleep 2-3 hrs a night if your offense is trash? Try being efficient, you dope.

Something to look out for in the future with teams defending Jalen Hurts. 9 times this season Hurts has faced 3 rushers with 8 defenders dropping back. Hurts is 2-7 with a sack. Forcing Jalen to read from this pocket with tighter throwing windows has been a problem so far this season.