2 hours ago, paco said:

Well he plays for the Ravens so…..

Practice squad

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Saquon is just as explosive as last season - he hasn’t lost a step. Not even close.

Completely disagree but whatever.

25 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Dean is the leader needed. Hope he can get on the field. I don't think it is a coincidence that the run D is shakey without him on the field. Smart player that helped his dline know where to be and was an excellent run defender himself.

I completely forgot about him. Yeah, add him to the list from last year. Young, but similar to Jordan Hicks back a few years ago... "Simba" to Demeco Ryans' "Mufasa".

So... @DrPhilly BG, Slay and Dean.

2 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Completely disagree but whatever.

He is. Teams know what they are running, the OL isn't run blocking well, and they are keying on him. He didn't lose a step in the SB when he couldn't run. It's easy to think he has I get it though.

5 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Yeah I’m not buying that. He doesn’t look nearly as explosive or elusive as he did last year.

The Oline hasn’t been great but there are plenty of run downs where Dillon has picked up a good chunk of yards and didn’t run directly into a linebacker immediately. And like I said the Eagles don’t pass a lot compared to other teams. 3rd and 10 can be a run down.

Theres no reason Barkley should be averaging 3 yrs per

Believe what you want. You realize how wrong you are when (in a week or two) he blows the doors off and runs for 150+ yards and several TD's.

35 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I agree with almost all of that and it was pretty much exactly what I said. Who do you think set the tone last year?

CJGJ

(Even Sydney Brown whenever he got a chance)

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

BG and Slay, likely.

Maybe Slay was verbal in the huddle. BG for sure but he missed half the season.

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

CJGJ

(Even Sydney Brown whenever he got a chance)

I agree witth IPhan that CJGJ is often a moron but I also think he had the most to do with setting the tone on D last year when BG wasn't on the field.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I completely forgot about him. Yeah, add him to the list from last year. Young, but similar to Jordan Hicks back a few years ago... "Simba" to Demeco Ryans' "Mufasa".

So... @DrPhilly BG, Slay and Dean.

Yeah, I'll give Dean some love on this one but I still think CJGJ added a lot in the attitude setter category.

26 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

If it were straight forward then the other backs wouldn’t be averaging almost double what Saquon is. Why does the line only block crappy for Saquon?

Dillon can Ave 5 yards per carry but Saquon only 3?

Saquon has a bullseye on his back. He'll bounce back... but this is the carryover from last year's amazing season. No team wants to be the Rams from last year... so every eye is on him, and the OL can't create the same creases for him as last year, because Steen can't move anyone, Toth is a figment of the imagination out there compared to a healthy Dickerson (not sure that the limited Dickerson isn't actually better than Toth) and Johnson hasn't been himself, and neither has Mailata. Oh, and Jurgens is on record talking about his back still being a concern.

So, when all eyes are on Barkley, they get home more often. When Dillon or Shipley come into the game, they breathe differently. Creases are easier to come by.

9 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

He is. Teams know what they are running, the OL isn't run blocking well, and they are keying on him. He didn't lose a step in the SB when he couldn't run. It's easy to think he has I get it though.

There were a couple plays in the last two weeks where I felt like 2024 Saquon would have been gone and he wasn’t. And there have been open field tackles that I don’t think he would have been tackled last yr. That’s just me though.

Almost every back that has that kind of workload isn’t the same the year after. There have also been games where he got up slowly and then wasn’t in the game for a while and came back. He could be dealing with something.

I was glad they gave him the extension at the time but I’m starting to understand those that were concerned. I don’t think 2024 Saquon is coming back and I don’t think he will be elite two yrs from now. I’m not saying he stinks but it’s not all on the Oline.

There are issues at QB and with the play calling but there are also guys who just aren’t performing the same they did a year ago. AJ being another one. He isn’t open as much as he was. (90+ open rate 2024 and 50 in 2025)

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Saquon has a bullseye on his back. He'll bounce back... but this is the carryover from last year's amazing season. No team wants to be the Rams from last year... so every eye is on him, and the OL can't create the same creases for him as last year, because Steen can't move anyone, Toth is a figment of the imagination out there compared to a healthy Dickerson (not sure that the limited Dickerson isn't actually better than Toth) and Johnson hasn't been himself, and neither has Mailata. Oh, and Jurgens is on record talking about his back still being a concern.

So, when all eyes are on Barkley, they get home more often. When Dillon or Shipley come into the game, they breathe differently. Creases are easier to come by.

I hope you are right and my concerns are off base.

3 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I hope you are right and my concerns are off base.

Be patient on this one and see what happens if and when the OL gets healthy.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Jaws - He called the performance of the D the worst manhandling he can ever remember for an Eagles D. He said it was ugly, disappointing, and disgusting to see the proud Philly D get bullied and beat up.

Reese - The "worst performance he's seen for a Fangio D". He called it "very disappointing".

That was the worst part of the game for me. I can't remember watching a game where the Eagles just got straight up manhandled. They looked like a JV team going against a Varsity team. Theo Johnson looked like an All-Pro TE blocking out there. I know Skateboo is runs wild and is crazy AF, but to let a guy in his 6th game just completely own Zack Baun was just embarrassing. The DL had their asses handed to them. Top to bottom, the Eagles got walked.

Losing is one thing. Losing in such a dominating and physical fashion is another. This is what Chiefs fans probably felt like watching the SB. At least for us, it was week 6. I hope it was just a perfect storm for the Giants to take it to the Eagles and not a sign of where this team actually is.

25 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Believe what you want. You realize how wrong you are when (in a week or two) he blows the doors off and runs for 150+ yards and several TD's.

I think we are going to be waiting all year for that performance which will never come.

I agree with this guys rant as we've discussed in here. It's funny though. At the 51 second mark is film from the first KO Bigsby touched in practice, and he fumbled that one too. Ever since his first practice, he's been fumbling the kick off. It's one of the most confusing things I've ever seem and even more confusing is the Eagles insisting on keeping him back there. He's single handedly ruining field position.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That was the worst part of the game for me. I can't remember watching a game where the Eagles just got straight up manhandled. They looked like a JV team going against a Varsity team. Theo Johnson looked like an All-Pro TE blocking out there. I know Skateboo is runs wild and is crazy AF, but to let a guy in his 6th game just completely own Zack Baun was just embarrassing. The DL had their asses handed to them. Top to bottom, the Eagles got walked.

Losing is one thing. Losing in such a dominating and physical fashion is another. This is what Chiefs fans probably felt like watching the SB. At least for us, it was week 6. I hope it was just a perfect storm for the Giants to take it to the Eagles and not a sign of where this team actually is.

Me too and it is why I'm holding fast with my assertion that the D was the problem. They get a big fat F from me. The O gets a C- and should have done well enough to make this one a nail biter in the end but had the D even put up a mediocre game we win this easily even with another crappy performance from the O.

11 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

And the question needs to be asked…is that an OC problem?

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

I don't want CJGJ back but someone needs to pick up the ball with some attitude leadership. Baun isn't the guy and neither are the other guys in the secondary. Nolan Smith is probably the best guy right now but of course he's out. Carter is mean but he doesn't really seem to get involved with the other guys. Campbell is a good option down the road.

I think there are plenty of players with confidence and "swagger." There doesn't seem to be the vocal guy like Brandon Graham. CJGJ wasn't a vocal leader to others, he more led by example. But he was also inconsistent and would make a good play like an INT then give up a huge 3rd down or a TD.

Baun, DeJean, Mitchell, Carter, Smith, Blankenship all have confidence. DeJean makes big plays that show strength like that tackle on Derrick Henry last year. When there are mic'd up videos we see and hear things that we don't during the broadcast, for example last year Baun was very vocal. Nakobe Dean is also supposedly one of those type of leaders, they said he was one of the main vocal leaders on the Georgia defense, and of course he's been out.

I think it will just develop over time since they're young. I could see Nolan Smith and Cooper DeJean essentially being those type of guys as they continue to grow and become veterans.

11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yeah, I'll give Dean some love on this one but I still think CJGJ added a lot in the attitude setter category.

In terms of being unintimidatable, maybe. But, he's an instigator and agitator. He likely created as many issues as he solved, if not more, which is why he's now on his 6th team in 5 years. He's not a leader, he's a moron who likes to pretend he's a tough guy. The issues the defense is currently having, IMO, are not related to his absence. The bigger issue is that Carter isn't what he has been. Williams' absence is noticeable. Sweat's too. And Smith. And BG.

25 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I hope you are right and my concerns are off base.

Me too. I could also be completely wrong.

12 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think we are going to be waiting all year for that performance which will never come.

You're probably right. Last year, we talked about the same things with the offense. They should be doing more, we expect more prolific passing game, utilize the star WRs more, etc. And it was run game and low numbers but efficient passing and low turnovers. They had some better offensive games like the Steelers and the NFCCG and Super Bowl when it counted.

This year the run game is bad because the O line is regressed and struggling with injuries, and the OC sucks. I agree I don't think there will a game that "opens things up" and we all are extremely satisfied. I think it will be small increments of improvement. Their mantra is as long as they're winning, and they're living off what worked last year. They have to adjust and adapt because this is not last year.

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I think there are plenty of players with confidence and "swagger." There doesn't seem to be the vocal guy like Brandon Graham. CJGJ wasn't a vocal leader to others, he more led by example. But he was also inconsistent and would make a good play like an INT then give up a huge 3rd down or a TD.

Baun, DeJean, Mitchell, Carter, Smith, Blankenship all have confidence. DeJean makes big plays that show strength like that tackle on Derrick Henry last year. When there are mic'd up videos we see and hear things that we don't during the broadcast, for example last year Baun was very vocal. Nakobe Dean is also supposedly one of those type of leaders, they said he was one of the main vocal leaders on the Georgia defense, and of course he's been out.

I think it will just develop over time since they're young. I could see Nolan Smith and Cooper DeJean essentially being those type of guys as they continue to grow and become veterans.

I think Campbell and NSmith might be the guys. Maybe DeJean late in his career but he's a pretty quiet guy. CJGJ wore it on his sleeves and didn't need to say too much to make it clear. Of course, he had all his other issues as you and others point out.

20 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

That was the worst part of the game for me. I can't remember watching a game where the Eagles just got straight up manhandled. They looked like a JV team going against a Varsity team. Theo Johnson looked like an All-Pro TE blocking out there. I know Skateboo is runs wild and is crazy AF, but to let a guy in his 6th game just completely own Zack Baun was just embarrassing. The DL had their asses handed to them. Top to bottom, the Eagles got walked.

Losing is one thing. Losing in such a dominating and physical fashion is another. This is what Chiefs fans probably felt like watching the SB. At least for us, it was week 6. I hope it was just a perfect storm for the Giants to take it to the Eagles and not a sign of where this team actually is.

Oh, I can remember those days. Those were BAD days.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In terms of being unintimidatable, maybe. But, he's an instigator and agitator. He likely created as many issues as he solved, if not more, which is why he's now on his 6th team in 5 years. He's not a leader, he's a moron who likes to pretend he's a tough guy. The issues the defense is currently having, IMO, are not related to his absence. The bigger issue is that Carter isn't what he has been. Williams' absence is noticeable. Sweat's too. And Smith. And BG.

The quality I was talking about was the attitude. That isn't exactly the same quality as what one finds in a leader though quite often it is the same guy.

Baun is a leader to me but he isn't going to be the one creating the attitude on the field. Someone just needed to be the real dick head out there Thursday night and put some hyper emotion in play to wake guys up. They slept walked the entire game on D.