12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

@Alpha_TATEr @Paul852

I did some diving into Boelter today and while you all seem to be trying to pin this on a conservative targeting an elected official the facts aren't backing that up

From Grok

Official Reports and Court Documents: The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) and FBI statements (reported by NPR and AP News, June 2025) describe Boelter’s actions as part of a targeted attack on Democratic lawmakers, with a "hit list" of 45 elected officials, all Democrats. However, the focus of the investigation has been on his "voluminous writings" and delusional letters, including one suggesting Governor Tim Walz (a Democrat) influenced him to kill Senator Amy Klobuchar to advance Walz’s political career. This points to a personal, delusional motive rather than a coherent ideological stance tied to conservatism.

Jailhouse Interview: The New York Post (July 12, 2025) reported an exclusive interview where Boelter hinted that his motives did not involve "Trump stuff or pro-life" issues—key markers often associated with conservative ideology. This suggests his actions were not driven by a right-wing political agenda.

Mental Health Context: A 2023 study from the Journal of Forensic Psychiatry (Vol. 34, Issue 3) indicates that 68% of lone-actor violence cases involve untreated mental health issues. Boelter’s friend, David Carlson, described his security career claims as "fantasy" (NPR, June 15, 2025), and his history of working in food service rather than law enforcement or military roles undermines any professional ideological training. His delusions, including the Walz letter, align more with psychosis than a political ideology.

Party Affiliation History: While Boelter was registered as a Republican in Oklahoma in 2004 (The Guardian, September 11, 2025), this was over two decades ago and not indicative of his current beliefs. His appointment to the Governor’s Workforce Development Board by Tim Walz from 2019-2023 (noted in X posts by

@akafaceUS

, September 15, 2025) suggests recent ties to Democratic administration activities, further complicating a conservative label

Counterarguments and Misinformation

• X Posts and Public Narrative: Some X users, like

  @DisavowTrump20

  (September 15, 2025) and

  @KingCankles

  (September 15, 2025), label Boelter a "right-wing extremist" or "MAGA lunatic," citing his past Republican registration. However, these claims lack substantiation from official sources and appear to be part of a political blame game, as noted in the trending topic about Democratic strategist Mike Nellis’s misinformation (September 15, 2025).

• "No Kings" Flyers: The presence of "No Kings" flyers (mentioned in

  @DefiyantlyFree

  ’s post and supported by

  @Humanguerrilla

  ’s image) could suggest an anti-authoritarian stance, which might be loosely tied to certain conservative or libertarian views. However, the movement is decentralized and not exclusively conservative, and official reports do not connect these flyers to a specific motive.

ConclusionThe evidence leans heavily toward Boelter’s actions being driven by untreated mental illness and personal delusions rather than a conservative ideology. His targeting of Democrats, including a delusional narrative involving a Democratic governor, contradicts a right-wing motive. While his past Republican registration and the "No Kings" flyers have fueled speculation, they are outweighed by official findings emphasizing his mental state. As of today, no new updates from law enforcement (in the last 24 hours) alter this assessment, but ongoing investigations could refine our understanding. For now, the conservative motivation claim appears to be a mischaracterization, likely amplified by political rhetoric on social media.

So the example some of you keep trying to play doesn't even fit.

For fun I put this into gemini and asked it to verify

Claims that are consistent with public reporting:

Targeting of Democrats: Official reports from the U.S. Department of Justice, FBI, and Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) confirm that Boelter's list of targets included dozens of Democratic elected officials in Minnesota, as well as abortion rights advocates and healthcare providers. Law enforcement officials have described the attacks as "targeted political assassinations" and "an attack on our democracy."

Mental Health Context: A psychiatrist who reviewed a letter allegedly written by Boelter stated that the writings show hallmarks of a delusional disorder, including "grandiose and persecutory beliefs." Boelter's claims of being trained by the military and carrying out missions have been denied by prosecutors. His friend, David Carlson, also described his security career claims as "fantasy," and reporting found no record of him in law enforcement or the military. This suggests a potential mental health component to his actions, aligning with the general finding in the Journal of Forensic Psychiatry that lone-actor violence often involves untreated mental health issues.

The "hit list": The BCA confirmed finding a notebook in Boelter's vehicle that contained a list of approximately 70 people, including politicians and people connected to abortion rights organizations. While the post mentions "a hit list of 45 elected officials," sources like FOX 9 reported a list of 45 Democrats and others, with the total number of people on the list being closer to 70.

Past Party Affiliation: Public records show that Boelter was registered as a Republican in Oklahoma in 2004. However, it's also been reported that he stated "no party preference" on a state document in 2019. He was also appointed by Governor Tim Walz to the Governor's Workforce Development Board, where he served from 2019-2023 and worked alongside one of the victims, State Senator John Hoffman.

The "No Kings" Flyers: The BCA did find "No Kings" flyers in Boelter's vehicle. However, the movement is not exclusively conservative, and official reports do not directly link the flyers to a specific motive for the attacks.

Claims that are misleading, unsubstantiated, or inaccurate:

Jailhouse Interview: While a written correspondence between Boelter and the New York Post was reported, the post's phrasing, "Boelter hinted that his motives did not involve 'Trump stuff or pro-life' issues," is a mischaracterization. In the interview, Boelter explicitly wrote, "I'll say it didn't involve either the Trump stuff or pro life." He also stated, "I am pro-life personaly but it wasn't those." The reporting on this interview also noted that Boelter expressed support for Donald Trump.

"Voluminous writings" and the Klobuchar letter: The post mentions "voluminous writings" and a letter suggesting Governor Tim Walz influenced him to kill Senator Amy Klobuchar. While a single handwritten letter was found and a psychiatrist has commented on it, the claim of "voluminous writings" is not supported by law enforcement reports. The BCA superintendent, Drew Evans, clarified at a press conference that the notebook was "not a document…that would be like a traditional manifesto that's like a treatise on all kinds of ideologies and writings." The letter itself, in which Boelter claimed Walz wanted him to kill Klobuchar, has been described by an acting U.S. Attorney as a fantasy

Attribution of a political blame game: The post asserts that some social media users' claims of Boelter being a "right-wing extremist" are "part of a political blame game" and notes a "trending topic about Democratic strategist Mike Nellis’s misinformation." This part of the post, which references specific, recent social media activity, is difficult to verify and appears to be an attempt to discredit a particular narrative rather than a statement of fact.

Grok as a source: The claim that the information is "From Grok Official Reports and Court Documents" is an unconventional and potentially misleading way to attribute information. Reputable news sources do not typically cite an AI model as a source for official documents. The information presented seems to be a summary of various news reports from outlets like NPR, AP, and others, rather than a direct-from-the-source report from "Grok Official."

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

For fun I put this into gemini and asked it to verify

Claims that are consistent with public reporting:

Targeting of Democrats: Official reports from the U.S. Department of Justice, FBI, and Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) confirm that Boelter's list of targets included dozens of Democratic elected officials in Minnesota, as well as abortion rights advocates and healthcare providers. Law enforcement officials have described the attacks as "targeted political assassinations" and "an attack on our democracy."

Mental Health Context: A psychiatrist who reviewed a letter allegedly written by Boelter stated that the writings show hallmarks of a delusional disorder, including "grandiose and persecutory beliefs." Boelter's claims of being trained by the military and carrying out missions have been denied by prosecutors. His friend, David Carlson, also described his security career claims as "fantasy," and reporting found no record of him in law enforcement or the military. This suggests a potential mental health component to his actions, aligning with the general finding in the Journal of Forensic Psychiatry that lone-actor violence often involves untreated mental health issues.

The "hit list": The BCA confirmed finding a notebook in Boelter's vehicle that contained a list of approximately 70 people, including politicians and people connected to abortion rights organizations. While the post mentions "a hit list of 45 elected officials," sources like FOX 9 reported a list of 45 Democrats and others, with the total number of people on the list being closer to 70.

Past Party Affiliation: Public records show that Boelter was registered as a Republican in Oklahoma in 2004. However, it's also been reported that he stated "no party preference" on a state document in 2019. He was also appointed by Governor Tim Walz to the Governor's Workforce Development Board, where he served from 2019-2023 and worked alongside one of the victims, State Senator John Hoffman.

The "No Kings" Flyers: The BCA did find "No Kings" flyers in Boelter's vehicle. However, the movement is not exclusively conservative, and official reports do not directly link the flyers to a specific motive for the attacks.

Claims that are misleading, unsubstantiated, or inaccurate:

Jailhouse Interview: While a written correspondence between Boelter and the New York Post was reported, the post's phrasing, "Boelter hinted that his motives did not involve 'Trump stuff or pro-life' issues," is a mischaracterization. In the interview, Boelter explicitly wrote, "I'll say it didn't involve either the Trump stuff or pro life." He also stated, "I am pro-life personaly but it wasn't those." The reporting on this interview also noted that Boelter expressed support for Donald Trump.

"Voluminous writings" and the Klobuchar letter: The post mentions "voluminous writings" and a letter suggesting Governor Tim Walz influenced him to kill Senator Amy Klobuchar. While a single handwritten letter was found and a psychiatrist has commented on it, the claim of "voluminous writings" is not supported by law enforcement reports. The BCA superintendent, Drew Evans, clarified at a press conference that the notebook was "not a document…that would be like a traditional manifesto that's like a treatise on all kinds of ideologies and writings." The letter itself, in which Boelter claimed Walz wanted him to kill Klobuchar, has been described by an acting U.S. Attorney as a fantasy

Attribution of a political blame game: The post asserts that some social media users' claims of Boelter being a "right-wing extremist" are "part of a political blame game" and notes a "trending topic about Democratic strategist Mike Nellis’s misinformation." This part of the post, which references specific, recent social media activity, is difficult to verify and appears to be an attempt to discredit a particular narrative rather than a statement of fact.

Grok as a source: The claim that the information is "From Grok Official Reports and Court Documents" is an unconventional and potentially misleading way to attribute information. Reputable news sources do not typically cite an AI model as a source for official documents. The information presented seems to be a summary of various news reports from outlets like NPR, AP, and others, rather than a direct-from-the-source report from "Grok Official."

He was a conservative. There's no debate.

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

@Alpha_TATEr @Paul852

I did some diving into Boelter today and while you all seem to be trying to pin this on a conservative targeting an elected official the facts aren't backing that up

From Grok

Official Reports and Court Documents: The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) and FBI statements (reported by NPR and AP News, June 2025) describe Boelter’s actions as part of a targeted attack on Democratic lawmakers, with a "hit list" of 45 elected officials, all Democrats. However, the focus of the investigation has been on his "voluminous writings" and delusional letters, including one suggesting Governor Tim Walz (a Democrat) influenced him to kill Senator Amy Klobuchar to advance Walz’s political career. This points to a personal, delusional motive rather than a coherent ideological stance tied to conservatism.

Jailhouse Interview: The New York Post (July 12, 2025) reported an exclusive interview where Boelter hinted that his motives did not involve "Trump stuff or pro-life" issues—key markers often associated with conservative ideology. This suggests his actions were not driven by a right-wing political agenda.

Mental Health Context: A 2023 study from the Journal of Forensic Psychiatry (Vol. 34, Issue 3) indicates that 68% of lone-actor violence cases involve untreated mental health issues. Boelter’s friend, David Carlson, described his security career claims as "fantasy" (NPR, June 15, 2025), and his history of working in food service rather than law enforcement or military roles undermines any professional ideological training. His delusions, including the Walz letter, align more with psychosis than a political ideology.

Party Affiliation History: While Boelter was registered as a Republican in Oklahoma in 2004 (The Guardian, September 11, 2025), this was over two decades ago and not indicative of his current beliefs. His appointment to the Governor’s Workforce Development Board by Tim Walz from 2019-2023 (noted in X posts by

@akafaceUS

, September 15, 2025) suggests recent ties to Democratic administration activities, further complicating a conservative label

Counterarguments and Misinformation

• X Posts and Public Narrative: Some X users, like

  @DisavowTrump20

  (September 15, 2025) and

  @KingCankles

  (September 15, 2025), label Boelter a "right-wing extremist" or "MAGA lunatic," citing his past Republican registration. However, these claims lack substantiation from official sources and appear to be part of a political blame game, as noted in the trending topic about Democratic strategist Mike Nellis’s misinformation (September 15, 2025).

• "No Kings" Flyers: The presence of "No Kings" flyers (mentioned in

  @DefiyantlyFree

  ’s post and supported by

  @Humanguerrilla

  ’s image) could suggest an anti-authoritarian stance, which might be loosely tied to certain conservative or libertarian views. However, the movement is decentralized and not exclusively conservative, and official reports do not connect these flyers to a specific motive.

ConclusionThe evidence leans heavily toward Boelter’s actions being driven by untreated mental illness and personal delusions rather than a conservative ideology. His targeting of Democrats, including a delusional narrative involving a Democratic governor, contradicts a right-wing motive. While his past Republican registration and the "No Kings" flyers have fueled speculation, they are outweighed by official findings emphasizing his mental state. As of today, no new updates from law enforcement (in the last 24 hours) alter this assessment, but ongoing investigations could refine our understanding. For now, the conservative motivation claim appears to be a mischaracterization, likely amplified by political rhetoric on social media.

So the example some of you keep trying to play doesn't even fit.

you completely missed the point. regardless though, overall, much more of the political violence comes from the right.

on kirk being more well known than hortman, it's weird that you think that's what is most important when "both" were assassinated. that's all that should matter. not the popularity of the person killed. again, such a weird flex.

sane people don't care about the popularity of the person killed. they focus on the crime committed.

both were assassinated, the potus barely acknowledged and even went as fas as to say this .....

"Do you think it would have been fitting to lower the flags to half-staff when Melissa Hortman, the Minnesota house speaker, was gunned down by an assassin as well?” asked Nancy Cordes, the chief White House correspondent for CBS News.

"I’m not familiar. The who?”

so again, a bigot was more on trump's radar than an elected official that was assassinated under his watch. very telling.

2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

you completely missed the point. regardless though, overall, much more of the political violence comes from the right.

on kirk being more well known than hortman, it's weird that you think that's what is most important when "both" were assassinated. that's all that should matter. not the popularity of the person killed. again, such a weird flex.

sane people don't care about the popularity of the person killed. they focus on the crime committed.

both were assassinated, the potus barely acknowledged and even went as fas as to say this .....

so again, a bigot was more on trump's radar than an elected official that was assassinated under his watch. very telling.

Say what you will about cryhard, but at least he never made light of attempted murder of Democrats...

On 11/2/2022 at 3:23 PM, Diehardfan said:

You must be Pelosi's husband to jump to that wishful thinking. 

Oh...

22 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

How about the left rioting and taking over cities for days and weeks

The Jan 6th people were wrong to do so.

Agreed. The rioters were awful and should have all been tried. So, we have common ground then??

3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

you completely missed the point. regardless though, overall, much more of the political violence comes from the right.

on kirk being more well known than hortman, it's weird that you think that's what is most important when "both" were assassinated. that's all that should matter. not the popularity of the person killed. again, such a weird flex.

sane people don't care about the popularity of the person killed. they focus on the crime committed.

both were assassinated, the potus barely acknowledged and even went as fas as to say this .....

so again, a bigot was more on trump's radar than an elected official that was assassinated under his watch. very telling.

Well, most people haven't heard of her still to this day. My guess is because the media is aware of what I posted and it's not a conservative targets a Dem and they didn't want to push the story anymore. And Kirk was on the radar of Bush, Obama, foreign leaders, the NFL, and the MLB. It's not about the popularity of the person it's the motive and it happening in public during a free speech event.

It's also due to the public rhetoric from the left leading up to it.

11 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

He was a conservative. There's no debate.

I mean you are wrong but you can keep saying you are right if it makes you feel better, but I just came with receipts. Where are yours? He said he did it for Waltz and he is insane.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, most people haven't heard of her still to this day. My guess is because the media is aware of what I posted and it's not a conservative targets a Dem and they didn't want to push the story anymore. And Kirk was on the radar of Bush, Obama, foreign leaders, the NFL, and the MLB. It's not about the popularity of the person it's the motive and it happening in public during a free speech event.

It's also due to the public rhetoric from the left leading up to it.

it was also due to kirk’s rhetoric.

imagine needing to defend the fact that a potus, one you voted for, wants to glorify a bigot. 🤣

Just now, mr_hunt said:

it was also due to kirk’s rhetoric.

No it wasn't. You all want to label him as something he wasn't because you haven't done the homework or you support fringe ideas even Democrats didn't have in the 90s.

Also, he was moderate even by those who debated him from the other side. If you think that about him then we'll never find common ground on anything, which is fine. People who debated him said he was kind. That isn't something you say about someone throwing the horrible rhetoric you suggest.

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

imagine needing to defend the fact that a potus, one you voted for, wants to glorify a bigot. 🤣

Just imagine the mental breakdown they're gonna suffer when the big macs finally catch up to their hero. There won't be enough padded cells in the country for them all.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I mean you are wrong but you can keep saying you are right if it makes you feel better, but I just came with receipts. Where are yours? He said he did it for Waltz and he is insane.

No, you didn't "come" with receipts. He had a list of Dems he targeted. It was a politically motivated attack from someone who supports Trump and listens to InfoWars. Just....stop.

On 9/15/2025 at 11:08 AM, Mike030270 said:

They hate trans even when the population is so small

Williams Institute

How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the...

But you LOVE the trans community

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

No, you didn't "come" with receipts. He had a list of Dems he targeted. It was a politically motivated attack from someone who supports Trump and listens to InfoWars. Just....stop.

Your reading comprehension is horrible. Go read it again and come with receipts showing it was a politically motivated because of his conservative beliefs. Come with more, but you won't because you don't have anything to contradict what came from Grok that he supported Waltz and he was insane.

4 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

No, you didn't "come" with receipts. He had a list of Dems he targeted. It was a politically motivated attack from someone who supports Trump and listens to InfoWars. Just....stop.

oh yeah, well george floyd riots!!!!!

Just now, Alpha_TATEr said:

oh yeah, well george floyd riots!!!!!

Cool, another person who won't bring anything to contradict with evidence that she was killed because he was insane and thought he was helping Waltz. Your BS just got thrown out the window. I know it sucks because now you need another talking point.

Even we want her fired. More common ground?

17 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Your reading comprehension is horrible. Go read it again and come with receipts showing it was a politically motivated because of his conservative beliefs. Come with more, but you won't because you don't have anything to contradict what came from Grok that he supported Waltz and he was insane.

He supported Trump and listened to Infowars and then made a list of Dem targets. You'd have to be a real dunce to argue this wasn't a politically motivated attack from a conservative.

34 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Well, most people haven't heard of her still to this day. My guess is because the media is aware of what I posted and it's not a conservative targets a Dem and they didn't want to push the story anymore. And Kirk was on the radar of Bush, Obama, foreign leaders, the NFL, and the MLB. It's not about the popularity of the person it's the motive and it happening in public during a free speech event.

It's also due to the public rhetoric from the left leading up to it.

To be fair you can be in a discord sever and not be active in the discussions. You can also be in one and not even in a specific channel where whatever is being discussed

People with absolutely no relation to the shooting will likely get investigated

18 minutes ago, Procus said:

But you LOVE the trans community

According to actual data... you and your kind do

You should talk with a therapist about your repressed urges

9 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

He supported Trump and listened to Infowars and then made a list of Dem targets. You'd have to be a real dunce to argue this wasn't a politically motivated attack from a conservative.

So you have your feelings and speculations. I came with receipts about Waltz and his mental illness and his statements. Again, it sucks to lose a talking point because you really really want to keep it.

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

To be fair you can be in a discord sever and not be active in the discussions. You can also be in one and not even in a specific channel where whatever is being discussed

People with absolutely no relation to the shooting will likely get investigated

According to actual data... you and your kind do

You should talk with a therapist about your repressed urges

Oh yeah, look at these people on the right

Trump obviously wants to create a loophole to circumvent free speech and go after opponents.