3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Ya have to wonder how long the organization can go without taking some form of action.

I agree, they should fire Patullo now.

10 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Dotson and Calcaterra are pending FAs. So you would need to resign them at market, which would be similar to the Rodgers, Becton, Blankenship range that they seem to be avoiding. The concept is sound, the cap mechanics, which would include the AJ cap hit, just wouldn't work IMO.

Id add i don’t think Dotson is a starting wr. Hes good in his role as a 3. He can be against bad teams like the giants. If im a good DC with a talented D, my plan is try to get you into 2nd and 3rd and long. Then at that point doing everything to takeaway smith and force you to beat me with inferior options like Dotson. I love smith and he’s a great wr too. but aj brown is not just his production on the field. He is a threat every time he is on there that helps everyone when he’s out there. His production isn’t what he wants or what we envision for him, but his presence and ability is something DCs have to account for. Frankly if we utilized him better; fearful like against Minnesota

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

AJ Wide open here. Hurts doesn't even look his way. There are several of these per game.

crap show like the man said

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Love ya man but your plan above sounds like trying to replicate 2024. Said after last year, that’s an extremely difficult plan to replicate. If they try to do it this year and going forward it’s extremely difficult. Teams adjust and it was a generational type of ground game. We’ve had good and even very good running attacks over the years. That one was a history book type thing. I think winning a super bow is extremely hard. Trying to replicate that 2024 path to win a Super Bowl is even harder cause you have to stay healthy an also get historic type of running game while your pass game is is extremely efficient. Add on i think we are also seeing the toll with how physical it is to do it that way and has taken on the OL the following year.

Imo i don’t think that’s how lurie envisions his offense being that.

Hasn't he always wanted a high powered passing offense?

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Id add i don’t think Dotson is a starting wr. Hes good in his role as a 3. He can be against bad teams like the giants. If im a good DC with a talented D, my plan is try to get you into 2nd and 3rd and long. Then at that point doing everything to takeaway smith and force you to beat me with inferior options like Dotson. I love smith and he’s a great wr too. but aj brown is not just his production on the field. He is a threat every time he is on there that helps everyone when he’s out there. His production isn’t what he wants or what we envision for him, but his presence and ability is something DCs have to account for. Frankly if we utilized him better; fearful like against Minnesota

Kind of what i alluding too. The Packers took aj brown away. smith gets 1 on 1 over the top with their safety and aj has 29 and 24 making sure he’s covered and not getting the ball. Why i said his production isn’t there but his presence of being AJ brown matters (that said some of it is also good play design)

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Hasn't he always wanted a high powered passing offense?

Yup. He’s said it in the past. Heck we had the whole article coming out about how they won back in 2019 in GB.

Maybe he’s changed his thought process has changed after last year. IMO i think was more last year the running game was so historic and the passing game wasnt nearly on that level so they went with it and rode it basically to a SB. Again Imo i think Lurie still believes the best way to win big in the NFL is pass game.

This is an interesting part of the Eagles schedule because they have their next two games against opponents capable of scoring a lot of points, and the offense will need to execute to keep up. I think DET is the Eagles best NFC competition and it could be a game the Eagles drop. Given their recent history of playing poorly in DAL, there will surely be posters in here climbing off the bandwagon if the Eagles should lose two games in a row again.

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree but there is context to his complaints which make them legitimate. The team is leading the League in 3 and outs. It's near the bottom of the League in every statistical passing category. The passing game is a mess and shows no signs of getting fixed. I am not sure how he is a cancer to the team. It doesn't look to me that he is doing anything that is keeping them from winning games. No one who is on that team and objective should do anything other than tell AJ they want to fix the problems and get him more involved in the game. If they are watching these plays and think we're ok with this, then they are the cancer. It's they cancer of complacency and obstinance that kills more teams than a star player complaining about their lack of production.

Yup. If we were averaging 450 yards of offense per game and AJ was complaining, then it would be a completely different story. But the offense is average, at best. Everyone can see that we won in spite of it the other night and not because of it. Sirianni can talk all he wants about the value AJ provides the offense as a decoy, but he's not fooling anyone. There's a major problem here and it's not AJ. Some people just want it to be AJ because other explanations are less comfortable.

38 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Also, if everyone can remove emotion and bias from the equation, Howie does have a problem to evaluate in the offseason. @TEW hinted at this.

Hurts, AJ Brown, and Devonta Smith, collectively, are a massive cap hit. The Eagles are 26th in the NFL in passing yards and most of the teams behind them have been cycling QBs. If you want to defend these results because the Eagles are winning, that's fine. But that means some of this money should be directed at the OL, edge rushers, secondary, etc. It's a waste to pay 2 WRs big contracts.

They are spending too much money on a passing game they aren't using. Obviously it is too late now given they are already signed and too early based on taking cap hits for trading people, but it's time to take steps to wind down the investment in these guys in favor of other areas. Howie is a great, efficient GM. Having a $100m receiver on pace for a James Thrash-like season is a major resource allocation issue. And that's unquestionably eating away at Howie.

The counter point is that having WRs that can make big plays has been a big part of their success. They hope to win games playing conservatively until they need to make big plays in the passing game. We have seen plenty of seasons where the lack of top end talent at WR means the team isn't contending.

There are 2 possible questions Howie will need to answer before making a decision from moving on from Brown. If the team is succeeding with Brown (meaning they win it all again this season), why should they move on from him? If the team does not win it all again, how does moving on from Brown improve the team and make them a better contender? It's hard to imagine a scenario where Brown is the problem the team needs to fix in the offseason to be a contender.

@mattwill

Lions 27, Eagles 24.

I can't pick the Eagles every single week and I have a feeling they're due for a little adversity. If the Eagles win this game I'm going to lean heavily into the "quit complaining about a win" script because IMO there won't be any NFC teams out there the Eagles haven't demonstrated the ability to win against, even as currently constructed.

Bonus -- Lions with 400+ yards of offense.

So let me get this straight, Eagles at leading the NFC with a conservative offensive game plan again that focuses on limiting turnovers. They can burst when they need to do so. They showed that in the playoffs last year and in their two games before the bye. But Barkley isn’t running for 2,000 so Patullo, Barkley, AJ and Hurts must suck. That’s what I am reading and because of that we should chuck it all. Eagles were conservative to end the half so bad but not conservative at the end of the game, so bad. Conservative bad/not conservative bad. Got it, I just think this is flawed reasoning.

AJ isn’t being critical of the playcalling, folks, he is self scouting. The hammy is frustrating. None of you ever had to battle through a frustrating issue that you could not control. Your body letting you down.

That said, the conservative playcalling is hurting the running game a bit. The rawness of Patullo is hurting a bit too. But the play is getting better.

Two teams played in February. Eagles got the best of every division as a result and also got two of the toughest divisions in football at the same time. The process is working but some want to scrap everything. I don’t follow that reasoning. Get better everyday is a great winning philosophy.

I mean i think it’s a fair question to ask why he went basically 3 quarters between targets.

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Looking ahead to 2026. A very favorable road schedule. Finally get the Bucs at home.

That AFC North (Baltimore) makes no sense since the Ravens are in second place, not first. Unless there is some built-in mechanism that would prevent the Steelers being the extra seventeenth AFC team since they filled that role recently. But that seems unlikely.

5 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Boldin can't be on the Mount Rushmore... he can't get out of the airport!

I saw Fitz at the KoP mall once! Granted it was when we were at valley forge together 🤣

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Love ya man but your plan above sounds like trying to replicate 2024. Said after last year, that’s an extremely difficult plan to replicate. If they try to do it this year and going forward it’s extremely difficult. Teams adjust and it was a generational type of ground game. We’ve had good and even very good running attacks over the years. That one was a history book type thing. I think winning a super bow is extremely hard. Trying to replicate that 2024 path to win a Super Bowl is even harder cause you have to stay healthy an also get historic type of running game while your pass game is is extremely efficient. Add on i think we are also seeing the toll with how physical it is to do it that way and has taken on the OL the following year.

Imo i don’t think that’s how lurie envisions his offense being that.

I don't think it would replicate the historic 2024, but it would be trying to be a run dominant team. Even with AJ Brown returning, they need a healthier O line to be able to run more and open things up. Also who is the OC next year? Patullo for more of the same from this season? A new outside voice? They've started using the 6th O lineman and running more plays under center so that shows their willingness to adjust at least. This year Goedert is doing well in TDs, Smitty is having a good year. So we'll have to see how the rest of the season goes. But you have Barkley on the team, you want to use him.

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

That AFC North (Baltimore) makes no sense since the Ravens are in second place, not first. Unless there is some built-in mechanism that would prevent the Steelers being the extra seventeenth AFC team since they filled that role recently. But that seems unlikely.

Think the assumption is the ravens are going to overtake the Steelers and win the division. That’s my guess. Steelers are 5-4 and ravens 4-5

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I'm sure you are, but the media is going to ask when he posts a video last night saying it's a crap show. Oh well Nick

28 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree, they should fire Patullo now.

As much as I want Patullo gone, they're stuck with him for the rest of the season.

Nick owns this mess, he promoted his buddy, and he's been a miserable failure.

I would equal it to AR's moronic move of promoting Castillo to OC. To me that was the beginning of the end for Reid, and Sirianni seems to be on the same path.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean i think it’s a fair question to ask why he went basically 3 quarters between targets.

Start McKee and all these problems go away 😂

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean i think it’s a fair question to ask why he went basically 3 quarters between targets.

Doesn't that go back to the play design being predictable and defenses being able to figure it out?

If they had all of these plays that go to AJ but couldn't then maybe Packers were able to see that pretty easily and remove him?

I know I'm biased because I think KP needs to go but I think better designs and play caller would be able to get our talent the ball more

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He puts himself in these situations with the ultra-conservative answers.

Just now, NOTW said:

I don't think it would replicate the historic 2024, but it would be trying to be a run dominant team. Even with AJ Brown returning, they need a healthier O line to be able to run more and open things up. Also who is the OC next year? Patullo for more of the same from this season? A new outside voice? They've started using the 6th O lineman and running more plays under center so that shows their willingness to adjust at least. This year Goedert is doing well in TDs, Smitty is having a good year. So we'll have to see how the rest of the season goes. But you have Barkley on the team, you want to use him.

We have Barkley but he is also a year older and more wear and tear. I don’t think you need to run him into the ground when you have guys like brown, smith and goedert. If you have to run him into the ground to get the offense to function then there’s an issue cause with those passing game options you should be able to be highly competent with both. And preserve him more than run him down faster.

Add on your heavy run team saw the repercussions of it. Mailata talked about this offseason. I do think there’s a correlation between the amount of injuries. The offensive line is sustaining and going through this year and how they played last year I’d add Lurie in the past has put out there in the nfl you pass to win. Thats the Andy philosophy. Maybe he’s changed that philosophy but i tend to think what the 2024 eagles did being that type of run team is not what he envisions when paying brown, smith, hurts and even goedert. Barkley was an excellent value signing for the price and to help open up things even more. Frankly make passing game even better with his ability as a pass catcher (was mentioned when they signed him).

The other issue with your plan is the assumption the presence of Dotson is good enough as a starting wide receiver. I don’t think he is. He hasn’t been in 3 years now. Hes a nice 3rd wr. The production of brown is not the only thing he brings to the offense. His presence and the fear the defense coordinators have for him is real. That TD smith proves this. Aj brown took 24 and 29 with him which opened up smith for a 1 on 1 deep ball. Fee like that’s very unlikely without Aj brown out there and GB is making sure smith doesn’t beat them. You take that away and you face and good defenses then they gonna load up to put you in 2nd and 3rd long then do everything to take away Smith on those and I’m not sure a rookie WR and Dotson are good enough to make up for that.

37 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree but there is context to his complaints which make them legitimate. The team is leading the League in 3 and outs. It's near the bottom of the League in every statistical passing category. The passing game is a mess and shows no signs of getting fixed. I am not sure how he is a cancer to the team. It doesn't look to me that he is doing anything that is keeping them from winning games. No one who is on that team and objective should do anything other than tell AJ they want to fix the problems and get him more involved in the game. If they are watching these plays and think we're ok with this, then they are the cancer. It's they cancer of complacency and obstinance that kills more teams than a star player complaining about their lack of production.

I Agree that the offense has been bad. If they had the #1 offense in the league and the fewest 3 and outs in history, but AJ didn’t feel he was being targeted enough, he’d still be doing the exact same thing.