19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

"I think that’s fair. I think if you have eyes you could see that. The same things I’ve been saying all season. So me making light of my situation on Twitch with my friend, that’s something I’m not apologizing for. Because, like I said, if you got eyes, you could see that. Shoot, that’s me trying to laugh through my situation. I see that the offense is struggling and I want to help contribute. I didn’t get those opportunities. I’m going to have a problem with that, especially the player I am, especially the player you want me to be. As a player, that’s tough for me. That’s tough for everybody else because everybody wants to contribute. Even Smitty said somebody had to make the play. We’re trying to put ourself in the best situation to make those plays. You just gotta get an opportunity. I didn’t get that. I think it’s fair for me to even say that we do need to do a better job of creating for me, trying to help put me in situations to help to contribute. But right now, it just feels as if I’m just freeing it up for everybody. It’s not that I don’t care about winning, all I care about is stats, no. It’s been week after week sometimes we’re not contributing, we’re not doing our job on offense. You can’t just keep slapping a Band-Aid over that if you expect to win later in the year. You think you’re just going to go to it at the end of the year? It’s not going to Fing happen. It’s not going to happen. It’s not going to happen. Last year, what it was, thank you for the ring, but it’s a new season. They adapted. We have to adapt and we have to continue to get better and find new ways. That’s where the frustration comes in. Because it’s not about winning, you guys. I want to win, yes. I want to help contribute as well. Do our thing on offense as well. I think that’s fair."

It’s not "we need to be better”. It’s clearly "we need to be better because of me”. I’m not even saying he’s wrong either. But he’s making his message clear. Multiple times.

He also had his opportunity at the end of the game.

Its been well established that he wants stats because he has said he wants to be the best ever. Obviously he needs to compile stats to get in that conversation, which will never happen playing with Hurts.

Im just responding to the "said the quiet part out loud" comment. He stressed the band aid bit, the not preforming for weeks on end, not doing our job on offense putting it all on the defense every week.... he stressed the "team" aspect numerous times in that quote as well.

Of course he wants to factor in to the offense's plan to be better. But hes saying he wants the offense to pick up the slack and not leave it on the defense every week. He said that its not just about winning because you cant become complacent in this league you have to improve.

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I do think there is nuance there. I think he thinks about his legacy a lot. But I also don't think he'd rather put up 8/150/3 TDs in a loss than 4/65/1 TD in a win.

But I do think he wants to be involved a lot in the offense because he believes he can make the team better and if he's generally involved and the offense is scoring points he'll be content. Doesn't mean he won't have moments here or there where he's upset because that's just who he is. He's not the stoic, keep emotions internal guy. But I don't believe he'd rather be on a losing team and averaging 1600 yards per season like some people seem to think he would.

He wants both.

He has implied that he has never asked for a trade. If that is true, then it tells you he values winning over stats.

But again, he wants both. So even in a win with 3 catches for 22 yards, he will be frustrated and I dont blame him for that.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He wants both.

He has implied that he has never asked for a trade. If that is true, then it tells you he values winning over stats.

But again, he wants both. So even in a win with 3 catches for 22 yards, he will be frustrated and I dont blame him for that.

I agree. I think he would be less frustrated if they were scoring 30ppg with limited touches because at least the offense is dominating, but would still be. As any competitor would.

Let's see how long it would take for Barkley to look miserable if he got 5 carries a game when the majority went to Bigsby or Shipley.

Or what Hurts would look like on the sidelines or say at his locker if he got benched for McKee and the Eagles kept winning. I think that "Winning is all that matters" narrative would change pretty quickly if Hurts wasn't part of winning games anymore.

Brown didn't throw Hurts under the bus. He is right about the offense

19 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its been well established that he wants stats because he has said he wants to be the best ever. Obviously he needs to compile stats to get in that conversation, which will never happen playing with Hurts.

Im just responding to the "said the quiet part out loud" comment. He stressed the band aid bit, the not preforming for weeks on end, not doing our job on offense putting it all on the defense every week.... he stressed the "team" aspect numerous times in that quote as well.

Of course he wants to factor in to the offense's plan to be better. But hes saying he wants the offense to pick up the slack and not leave it on the defense every week. He said that its not just about winning because you cant become complacent in this league you have to improve.

I don’t think he doesn’t want to win. I think he doesn’t care as much if they win if it doesn’t have to do with him.

Me saying "he said the quiet part out loud” was mostly because one of the main pushbacks about all his drama is he prioritizes winning above anything else but he’s made his point clear, it’s not.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t think he doesn’t want to win. I think he doesn’t care as much if they win if it doesn’t have to do with him.

Me saying "he said the quiet part out loud” was mostly because one of the main pushbacks about all his drama is he prioritizes winning above anything else but he’s made his point clear, it’s not.

The team is winning a lot, including a super bowl.

I think if he has requested a trade, or does in the future, then he cares more about his stats than winning.

As long as he stays on a team that is winning, while he cant compile all time great stats, then he is proving through his actions that he cares more about the wins.

At some point, that may change, and he requests the trade. He already got to the pinnacle of winning, so whats left other than compiling stats? Wouldnt blame him.

Its a shame we cant give him both here. Everything is in place except for the QB.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Worried about Dickerson's future. Is he going to be our star player that's great but only when healthy. Reminds me of all of those Dallas LBs

Probably should draft Steen’s replacement to get ahead of that while adding some quality depth next year. Proctor is intriguing early-on in the Mekhai Becton sense, but the iOL class seems relatively deep.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

CB2!! 😲

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The team is winning a lot, including a super bowl.

I think if he has requested a trade, or does in the future, then he cares more about his stats than winning.

As long as he stays on a team that is winning, while he cant compile all time great stats, then he is proving through his actions that he cares more about the wins.

At some point, that may change, and he requests the trade. He already got to the pinnacle of winning, so whats left other than compiling stats? Wouldnt blame him.

Its a shame we cant give him both here. Everything is in place except for the QB.

Fair enough. I also think winning is the thin band aid holding this all together because if they weren’t it would be a lot worse.

Hurts gives better answers than the Head Coach

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

So you admit you dont understand but prefer to remain ignorant. You do you, i guess.

The irrationality of his issues just screams thats its the mental health issues he has spoken about before. Try caring about the person over the player.

I can promise you this. If you have ever sat with someone who is facing these very real issues, you would put the game and the media and celebrity out to pasture. Its all trivial nonsense. Yes we love it, and i do too, but i have had enough experience now to see what a person in need looks like. All the vultures circling around for clicks and views…they are all parasites. AJ is the real talent. The product. Not the twitter morons.

Look at AJ as a man, not a player on a sports team. Even though we love that team dearly, and my fam has had season tix since 1970, it took me a long time and some **** experiences to see the players as humans not just players.

So you admit you are just going to assume he is having mental health issues and not just being a typical diva WR who is unhappy because he isn't getting targets. You do you as well.

Like I said, IF this is a result of mental health issues of course I would feel bad for him. Maybe that is the case but as of now there is nothing to indicate this isn't a simple case of him being unhappy about not getting the ball enough which has been an issue since last season.

Occam's razor homie, but hey feel free to make assumptions while accusing others of not understanding things and being ignorant.

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

the thing with fangio is there’s more older defensive coaches that aren’t getting hired because teams want innovative young offensive head coaches. The new younger coordinators coming in as OC. Imo why guys like Spags and fangio stay in their perspective jobs longer as they are defensive coaches and less owners hiring defensive minded coaches particularly older defensive minded coaches. So fangio and spags are more than OK being essentially the de facto head coach of their defenses.

The problem with not going with young and innovative and solely older fit hire OC is that nearly every beat writer has alluded to lurie wanting to be innovative on offense and cutting edge of the next big thing on offense. Usually those older offensive coordinators are not that. I believe berman did a story on Lurie and what he was looking for after he fired Doug pederson mentioning this.

Also, I think you’re picking a couple of teams that did have success. I think there’s also teams that did it the way and weren’t successful. Imo the ravens are successful due to partially their OC but more cause Lamar is a top 5 Qb and mvp when healthy. It’s like Buffalo with Josh Allen. Most OCs look really good with top 5 mvp QBs. This isn’t a slight to Jalen. He’s great in big games and is a top 5-8 QB in this league. But imo those two are on a different tier.

As for the Seahawks, it was over a decade ago. The league changes. the Seahawks moved away from since firing Carroll. They hired another defensive coach but hired a young OC in Kubiak, who is maximizing Darnold and the offense. Who’s likely to leave.

You can hire an older OC who’s a fit, but the current teams doing it are ravens, chargers, broncos, raiders and lions. Payton is the offensive minded coaches and really in control of it so less about their OC. Sirianni isn’t that as a HC. Harbaugh has Greg Roman calling plays. But they’ve had this open dialogue relationship when calling plays for a while since he was with the niners. Campbell just took overplay calling duties due to his issues with their success. Raiders are a disaster with chip. So it’s the ravens and chargers as that team where it really is about the OC being older and fit. And I’d argue chargers it’s a very rare dynamic of harbaugh and roman being together in 2 different stops and how they run that offense.

Couple things. First, I acknowledge your point on Greg Roman, but the Ravens mentioned prior is still a good example because that wasn't his relationship with John Harbaugh in contrast.

I really want to make my point more clear because while I get what you're trying to say, I think you're dancing around the problem.

When you focus on hiring perfect candidates to be poached for head coach, your candidates will be poached to be head coach, barring mitigating factors.

Mitigating factors include but probably aren't limited to:

• Several past failures at head coach from your 'tree'.

• A situation where an opposing team knows your head coach is the braintrust. (This is rare, situations like Belichick, Reid, etc)

• A situation where opposing teams know the QB is largely resulting in your success.

The league moved ages largely because they're constantly trying to replicate Sean McVay. It doesn't mean once you reach age 50 you're suddenly dead, it just means that the league stopped focusing on this group for younger guys, which is why there's not a lot of examples to cite.

But that's what I mean. The choice is between hiring perfect candidates to be poached the following year, especially because opposing teams know that success with Jalen's style requires some good offensive chops, or zigging when the league is zagging to find stability.

Last but not least, I want to clarify that I said Bevell not because I was trying to cite an older example, I was talking about his resume. The reason I mentioned him was because he was available during the last hiring cycle, which was when I was looking through candidates that fit such a model last - or more specifically, I was curious who could have been hired instead of Patullo at the time!

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Hurts gives better answers than the Head Coach

Because he has massive "Don't give a F" energy with the media.

47 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The team is winning a lot, including a super bowl.

I think if he has requested a trade, or does in the future, then he cares more about his stats than winning.

As long as he stays on a team that is winning, while he cant compile all time great stats, then he is proving through his actions that he cares more about the wins.

At some point, that may change, and he requests the trade. He already got to the pinnacle of winning, so whats left other than compiling stats? Wouldnt blame him.

Its a shame we cant give him both here. Everything is in place except for the QB.

I think it's harsh to say everything is in place except the QB, but what I do think is, Hurts really better not get injured. It really is in his best interest to not get injured. I'm not saying it'll happen for sure, but if McKee comes in and starts dotting with his ball placement and release, and people start going "...But why doesn't the offense look like that with...", things are going to get ugly, fast.

Thursday morning Eagles-Lions Score Predictions Update - 93 hours until Sunday Night Kickoff

9 predictions recorded. Only 4 are for an Eagles win, while 5 are for a Lions win. The average predicted score is Eagles 25 Lions 20

I believe I got everyone's prediction. If you don't see your name below, I either missed your prediction or you haven't submitted one yet.

As always, please tag your prediction post with @mattwill that way I will be sure to see/record it.  Score predictions can also have an optional "Bonus Pick" tiebreaker prediction.  I will be taking predictions right up until Kickoff.

The list of the 9 predictions that are recorded thus far is presented below, sorted high to low by Eagles points predicted.

14 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Thursday morning Eagles-Lions Score Predictions Update - 93 hours until Sunday Night Kickoff

9 predictions recorded. Only 4 are for an Eagles win, while 5 are for a Lions win. The average predicted score is Eagles 25 Lions 20

I believe I got everyone's prediction. If you don't see your name below, I either missed your prediction or you haven't submitted one yet.

As always, please tag your prediction post with @mattwill that way I will be sure to see/record it.  Score predictions can also have an optional "Bonus Pick" tiebreaker prediction.  I will be taking predictions right up until Kickoff.

The list of the 9 predictions that are recorded thus far is presented below, sorted high to low by Eagles points predicted.

@mattwill I genuinely think we're going to get destroyed. I've thought so for months. In my mind, it's exactly like the scenario two years ago when San Francisco came to town. In that instance it just felt to me that the Niners had worked up so much revenge their NFC Championship Game loss and were just going to be laser focused on tearing us up. Which is exactly what happened. I think the same sort of thing applies to the Lions. I'm sure they still feel they were the best team a year ago (they probably weren't but I can see why they might think that way) and have been gearing up for this very game all season long. I'm not saying they're the better team but I just have the vibe that they're going to play a great game and we're going to be kinda flat after a short week. I see this as sort of similar to this year's Rams game, except that the Lions won't let the Eagles come to life in the second half.

Lions 36 Eagles 11

BONUS: Eagles lose the turnover battle.

If I cost my team a win by quitting on a play I would shut up my crying to the media for the rest of the year.

He has every right to complain to Patullo behind closed doors. He has every right to tell Siri he needs a better OC.

He has every right to ask to talk to Howie and Lurie about it.

His crying on social media is pathetic and has become boring as hell.

Get open more like DeVonta.

Every last one of them should only say "talk to AJ” when asked about him.

He’s become that red faced 4 year old in a tantrum at the grocery store because he didn’t get cookies.

@mattwill

Eagles - 34

Lions- 38

Bonus: Gibbs gets 2 TD, Lions force a big TO on Hurts

The Eagles Offense comes to life but its not enough to win this shootout. Eagles suffer their loss of the year.

🤣

6 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Here are the biggest remaining games for the teams most likely competing for the #1:

Phi - Det, @LAC, @Buf

Det - @Phi, GB, @LAR

Sea -@LAR, Ind, LAR

LAR -Sea, TB, Det, @Sea.

TB -@Buf, @LAR

One big advantage the Eagles have is the 6-1 conference record. We're a game up on everyone and 3/5 remaining opponents are AFC.

That 6-1 becomes 7-1 with all head to head tiebreakers in the Eagles’ favor. After Detroit this week, the remaining Conference games are Dallas, Chicago, and Commanders twice. Getting to 11-1 in Conference if they beat Detroit should be very doable. The Conference level tiebreakers are first, head-to-head, then best conference record, followed by best common games record.

That is why I don’t agree with @FranklinFldEBUpper that the Eagles will lose to the Lions. There is too much upside for them not to come out and take control of their own destiny.

4 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

@mattwill I genuinely think we're going to get destroyed. I've thought so for months. In my mind, it's exactly like the scenario two years ago when San Francisco came to town. In that instance it just felt to me that the Niners had worked up so much revenge their NFC Championship Game loss and were just going to be laser focused on tearing us up. Which is exactly what happened. I think the same sort of thing applies to the Lions. I'm sure they still feel they were the best team a year ago (they probably weren't but I can see why they might think that way) and have been gearing up for this very game all season long. I'm not saying they're the better team but I just have the vibe that they're going to play a great game and we're going to be kinda flat after a short week. I see this as sort of similar to this year's Rams game, except that the Lions won't let the Eagles come to life in the second half.

Lions 36 Eagles 11

BONUS: Eagles lose the turnover battle.

Certainly this scenario is a real risk and if it happens the rest of the year might get quite dark. The D won't collapse like '23 but I could certainly see a limping to the finish line outcome with the Eagles winning the East with say 10 wins and then bowing out without much of a bark in the Wild Card round. This is a big game. Doesn't have to be a win but we need to be competitive and the O will need to put up some points.

7 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

The team is winning a lot, including a super bowl.

I think if he has requested a trade, or does in the future, then he cares more about his stats than winning.

As long as he stays on a team that is winning, while he cant compile all time great stats, then he is proving through his actions that he cares more about the wins.

At some point, that may change, and he requests the trade. He already got to the pinnacle of winning, so whats left other than compiling stats? Wouldnt blame him.

Its a shame we cant give him both here. Everything is in place except for the QB.

The thing it seems many of us disagree on with you is that we don't find it reasonable for Brown to go public with his frustrations time and time again. Keep that internal.

Other than that, Hurts is who he is as most of us have said now for a couple of years. He's good enough to win the SB with this team and in the end that's really all the team cares about. If Brown doesn't want to be part of that and accept less stat wise at the same time then I think he needs to go. He hasn't gone all TO yet but the continual public beetching is most certainly causing problems.

11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

The thing it seems many of us disagree on with you is that we don't find it reasonable for Brown to go public with his frustrations time and time again. Keep that internal.

Other than that, Hurts is who he is as most of us have said now for a couple of years. He's good enough to win the SB with this team and in the end that's really all the team cares about. If Brown doesn't want to be part of that and accept less stat wise at the same time then I think he needs to go. He hasn't gone all TO yet but the continual public beetching is most certainly causing problems.

Hurts honestly might end up getting a lot of people fired. It feels like every year a new person is on the hot seat because "Hurts is what he is". I don't think this one is entirely his fault - Patullo is too green, but the expectations of Philadelphia aren't realistic. Hurts isn't really good enough at this point in his career (that might change) to have a top passing attack every year, even with elite weapons, barring having a top 5 offensive mind in the NFL I think.

Sirianni and his crew are getting destroyed for it, but the truth of the matter is that Sirianni's scheme family just isn't built for Hurts' style of play. Hurts doesn't throw timing all that much, but if you look at the history of the major pillars of Reich's tree - Reich himself, Sirianni, and Shane Steichen, you'll notice their QB history with QBs that are primarily mobile types that wait until reads are open is bad. Anticipatory throwing and throwing on time is required in this family of offenses - even QBs who have higher average times to throw tend to throw faster comparatively if they are successful in this scheme family.

There is a fundamental mismatch between Reich family schemes and the way Jalen Hurts plays football now. This is the actual biggest reason we're so OC reliant honestly.

5 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Hurts honestly might end up getting a lot of people fired. It feels like every year a new person is on the hot seat because "Hurts is what he is". I don't think this one is entirely his fault - Patullo is too green, but the expectations of Philadelphia aren't realistic. Hurts isn't really good enough at this point in his career (that might change) to have a top passing attack every year, even with elite weapons, barring having a top 5 offensive mind in the NFL I think.

Sirianni and his crew are getting destroyed for it, but the truth of the matter is that Sirianni's scheme family just isn't built for Hurts' style of play. Hurts doesn't throw timing all that much, but if you look at the history of the major pillars of Reich's tree - Reich himself, Sirianni, and Shane Steichen, you'll notice their QB history with QBs that are primarily mobile types that wait until reads are open is bad. Anticipatory throwing and throwing on time is required in this family of offenses - even QBs who have higher average times to throw tend to throw faster comparatively if they are successful in this scheme family.

There is a fundamental mismatch between Reich family schemes and the way Jalen Hurts plays football now. This is the actual biggest reason we're so OC reliant honestly.

Right but none of that matters when you have an elite OL and Hurts is also able to be a threat running. ‘23 was a good example of Hurts not being a real threat to run once he was injured and this year the OL is dealing with injuries and a minor touch of age. Take either of those away and it gets tough for Hurts. I’m a big Hurts fan but I also recognize his limitations.