Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup. But, AJ feels good about it. So there's that.

We can’t poke fun at Aj but we likely don’t have a TD in non garbage time if not for his catch.

"The problem in Philadelphia is much, much deeper than me,” he said. "I think they’re having a tough time dealing with success.”

circa 2019

27 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What's wrong with half the guys on offense running one play, while the other half are doing something completely different?

Sounds like what is supposed to happen on an RPO. I dont know if that play was supposed to be some version of that... but I do know Goedert was so wide open for 99% of starting QBs in the NFL at the 7 second mark of the video. And Hurts was staring right in that area, prior to scrambling. Could have easily hit that. Although he was probably locked on to the AJ slant that came to that spot instead of the open option he had....

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What difference does "opportunity to tie the game on the next TD” make vs getting the 2pt there and having the "opportunity to tie the game on the next TD”?

They would lose either way if they fail, regardless of when they fail.

Keep momentum with the XP.

Down 8 your whole team has belief that a win is possible, or at least an OT push.

You’d also not be required to kick an onside kick and give your defense a short field to defend, and possibly give your offense a shorter field to drive for the tie.

It’s a terrible decision, and Kerry’s not act like Siri hasn’t had too many of those in critical moments this year. For a coach edi can’t call plays during the game, he sure as heck sucks at situational decisions.

I commend him for having the best HC format, for everyone around me so I can key my job longer. If I don’t have elite playcaller, it’s not his fault lol.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We can’t poke fun at Aj but we likely don’t have a TD in non garbage time if not for his catch.

AJ stuff is overblown. He’s saying what we’re all thinking. Struggling to get elite players the ball and functional offense should be complained about by every player publicly until the owner or HC makes a fundamental change.

Just now, GoEagles614 said:

Keep momentum with the XP.

Down 8 your whole team has belief that a win is possible, or at least an OT push.

You’d also not be required to kick an onside kick and give your defense a short field to defend, and possibly give your offense a shorter field to drive for the tie.

It’s a terrible decision, and Kerry’s not act like Siri hasn’t had too many of those in critical moments this year. For a coach edi can’t call plays during the game, he sure as heck sucks at situational decisions.

I commend him for having the best HC format, for everyone around me so I can key my job longer. If I don’t have elite playcaller, it’s not his fault lol.

I bet the Eagles organization is 100 percent on board with going for 2 there.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s the hope of the unknown vs accepting reality, basically.

That's the key: something being unknown is exactly why it's clearly the wrong decision. I think part of the issue is that people are fixated on how the result played out in this particular game. But consider a slightly different scenario and it'll make it more obvious...

We're down 15, but instead of scoring with 3:10 on the clock, imagine if it was 4:10 instead. So now the score is 24-15, down 9, but with an extra minute left. If you kick the PAT you're down 8 with 4:10 left on the clock. We force a 3 and out and burn all three time outs. Bears punt and we get the ball with 3:50 left, down 8. We have no timeouts but have enough time to run the ball if needed and work the middle of the field. After hitting a few passes to pick up a first, a couple runs pick up small gains, and then a scramble on 3rd down to move the chains, we're at the Bears 30 yard line with about 2:20 left. A run on first takes you to the 2 minute warning, then incomplete on 2nd and 3rd down, and now you're facing 4th and 10 from the 30. Obviously you know you have to go for it, being down only one score with such little time left.

Ok now rewind to the TD and instead of kicking PAT, you go for 2, and don't convert. Down 9 now with 4:10 left, and the defense forces the same 3 and out and we burn all 3 timeouts just the same. Now we get the ball with 3:50 down 9, but knowing we need two scores, we take runs off the table, go no huddle, and either make throws to the boundary, or if we hit something over the middle, we hurry up to the line to clock it. By keeping a sense of urgency that wasn't needed in the scenario where we kick the PAT, we could theoretically get to the same 4th and 10 situation, but likely with 3:00 or so left on the clock. So now the decision is to kick the FG, instead of going for it. Then you hope your defense can hold again and with the help of the 2 min warning, your offense might get the ball back with just over a minute left to try to win the game with a TD.

Knowing the result of the 2pt conversion attempt earlier makes all the difference in dictating your tempo and play calling for the remainder of the game.

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Wrong.

You are wrong on this one

You dont force the lower probability play until you absolutely must. Kicking the xp is the right move there. Must avoid turning it into a 2 possession game

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What difference does "opportunity to tie the game on the next TD” make vs getting the 2pt there and having the "opportunity to tie the game on the next TD”?

They would lose either way if they fail, regardless of when they fail.

Its a hell of a lot harder to win the game when they needed 2 more possessions to do it. Than trying to win the game needing 1 more possession. That is a huge difference. They opted for the scenario where they were far more likely to need2 more possessions. Idiotic. Can rationalize that till youre blue in the face, but you can not logically rationalize it because it was simply, wrong.

4 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Keep momentum with the XP.

Down 8 your whole team has belief that a win is possible, or at least an OT push.

You’d also not be required to kick an onside kick and give your defense a short field to defend, and possibly give your offense a shorter field to drive for the tie.

It’s a terrible decision, and Kerry’s not act like Siri hasn’t had too many of those in critical moments this year. For a coach edi can’t call plays during the game, he sure as heck sucks at situational decisions.

I commend him for having the best HC format, for everyone around me so I can key my job longer. If I don’t have elite playcaller, it’s not his fault lol.

Getting a 2pt there isn’t more momentum?

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

You are wrong on this one

You dont force the lower probability play until you absolutely must. Kicking the xp is the right move there. Must avoid turning it into a 2 possession game

You are wrong.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s the hope of the unknown vs accepting reality, basically.

It would be different if there were 5 or 6 minutes left.

But with three minutes left, being down 7 or 8 doesn't change how the Eagles would play the rest of the game. They'd still try to stop the Bears as quickly as possible then score a TD.

Being down 9 means the game is over.

So since there isn't much difference between being down 7 or 8, but a massive difference being down 9, I'm not risking it.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Getting a 2pt there isn’t more momentum?

Whats the probability of failure though? Too high a chance you put yourself into a catastrophic situation, which is exactly what happened

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Getting a 2pt there isn’t more momentum?

Not if you miss, which is more likely than the XP.

Get your points - make it a 1-score game and go for 2/onside later. It’s truly abysmal.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its a hell of a lot harder to win the game when they needed 2 more possessions to do it. Than trying to win the game needing 1 more possession. That is a huge difference. They opted for the scenario where they were far more likely to need2 more possessions. Idiotic. Can rationalize that till youre blue in the face, but you can not logically rationalize it because it was simply, wrong.

The logic is they needed a 2pt conversion at some point in time. You are stuck on the reality of them not getting it when they tried. It’s a hell of a lot harder to win the game if you fail the conversion with no time left.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You are wrong.

Game theory says otherwise

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Whats the probability of failure though? Too high a chance you put yourself into a catastrophic situation, which is exactly what happened

What’s the difference in probability of failure of when they did it vs doing it IF they score another TD?

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The logic is they needed a 2pt conversion at some point in time. You are stuck on the reality of them not getting it when they tried. It’s a hell of a lot harder to win the game if you fail the conversion with no time left.

No, that makes no sense

5 hours ago, Utebird said:

@mattwill hey can I put in any early game prediction for the Bills Eagles game?

Theyve been showing the score on that fan duel commercial for weeks now

Bills 30

Eagles 27

Absolutely. It is recorded.

You guys are talking about lower probability plays and vibes. The Eagles needed a two-pointer regardless, so they had to get a "lower probability” play at some point. They shouldn’t delay it because of their feelings in case they don’t get it. If you fail on the first try, you now know how to move forward. Hence the Eagles playing for a FG and the onside kick (not that I agreed with that absurd QB draw to set up said FG).

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

Game theory says otherwise

Game theory is precisely why they went for two to begin with.

8 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

AJ stuff is overblown. He’s saying what we’re all thinking. Struggling to get elite players the ball and functional offense should be complained about by every player publicly until the owner or HC makes a fundamental change.

Oh, I don’t disagree with what he said. I think he’s 100% accurate. I’ve said this for a couple years the Eagles are one of the only teams I ever see having elite wide receivers and have issues just throwing them the ball.nits one thing if you are rushing for a historical record. That Dallas game might have gone differently if in the second and third quarter you didn’t give AJ Brown one target. I could not imagine what some of the better offensive minds in this league could be doing with the talent. Literally pissing it away

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What’s the difference in probability of failure of when they did it vs doing it IF they score another TD?

Vibes, man.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You are wrong.

"If we fail a 2PC, or an XP we are going to need 2 more possessions to win. Which isnt going to happen for us with such little time remaining. So should we try this the hard way that makes a doomed result more likely? Or should we try this the easy way that also likely affords us an opportunity to go tie the game with just ONE more possession?"

" Screw the route that makes it more likely to stay alive and potentially get a win in OT. Lets see if we can lose this game right here. Go for 2. "

@ManuManu "Makes sense! Good decision!"

I know everyone wants get rid of KP and iright there but this game he is way down the list of problems today

The Bears doubled time of possession, they ran for Over 250 yards on like 6 yards a carry.

I get theyre tired but they got steam rolled

A few plays looked like guys ran wrong routes or dropped the ball, guys still cant block, hurts 2 TOs, refs screwed the O on a few plays, Barkley actually looked good but the O never had the ball. It was all ugly.

most of thats not on KP, im not saying he was good or is but today wasnt in him.