14 hours ago, Vileborg said:

Eggs, fine. It was stupid but pranks happen. I'm worried now that someone confirmed it that someone crazy will burn his house down. Then we'll have to rally around him and denounce mental health instead of firing him.

If someone is intent on burning down Patullo's house, I don't think seeing an image of it on the internet will be the spark that makes them commit the crime. It's more likely the next coward's draw will do it.

20 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

As a contrarian thought. Purely hypothetically, if the Franchise QB doesn't want to make or cannot make certain throws (say, throwing over the middle) the OC and OL Coach are left with less bandwidth and creativity to make the O successful if the QB just will not do it. That O would look very vanilla. A Franchise QB on a SB winning team definitely has a lot more power internally to get what he wants, so it would be very hard for any coach (especially a year 1 Coordinator) to not listen and implement what they want.ed Especially if the Owner is known to want to listen players and will take action on it. Its a hard position from a proce4ss and political perspective.

Its not to blame any single person in that hypothetical scenario, but it is possible to look at a new OC and wonder, how much of what he wants to do in terms of playcalls etc is not done because the QB won't or can't to do it? If it takes 5 seconds for the QB to make a throw in the middle, that's not good for any scheme,. An experienced OC could well feel enabled to say no to the QB, but that comes with risk.

All hypothetical of course

I agree that Hurts has a role in limiting the offense. Sirianni's approach exacerbates the issue. There are long standing issues with motion, simple routes and repeating concepts that seem like hallmarks of Sirianni. How often did we see Sirianni use the WR screen in 2021. Sirianni's fixation on turnovers has made him less willing to have more receivers out in routes and the use of heavy personnel.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Another thing that pisses me off IF the rumors are true is that Jalen doesn't want to run and Jalen doesn't like to be under center. Their job isn't to make sure he's happy it's to get the offense moving. I get making sure the QB is comfortable as much as possible, but when things stop working it's time to say this is what we are doing. I don't blame Hurts for that. He can ask for what he wants their job is to do what is best for the team.

We agree on your last point. I've said it multiple times a week for a few months. That defense is going to be worn down to dust.

The good news is many of these guys on defense won't have played a full season of snaps with the injuries and revolving door factor at CB. They rotate at edge. Dean didn't start the season. I'm concerned about getting worn out at DT. Think they need to start to rotate there more now as Carter, Davis and Ojomo are worn out. We are missing Milton there. LOL

5 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I think yes. It is mostly Siri. Remember how rudimentary the offense looked in 2021 before he relinquished the offense to others? The media was just outright laughing about it. Nick has a philosophy and I’m not exactly sure what it is, but he has one.

People often forget that. Early in 2021 fans were constantly complaining about the play calling from Nick Sirianni, especially wanting to run the ball more. He handed play calling to Steichen and the offense took off.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

First, Hurts has said he likes playing under center there was video of him coming out of the draft saying that. He's run, thrown to the middle and all the things people say he won't do. Plus other QBs like McNabb as they got older preferred to not run as much.

Second, the coaches are supposed to be in charge. All these narratives that Hurts doesn't want to do this, refuses to do that, what does that say about the coaches and front office? What these ideas are really saying is that the front office and coaches do whatever Jalen Hurts wants. Think about that. Lurie has had no problem firing Andy Reid the winningest coach in history, firing Doug who brought their first Super Bowl. Howie traded McNabb and Wentz away when it was time to move on.

You mean to tell me that this front office who fired Reid and Doug, traded McNabb and Wentz are scared to coach Jalen Hurts? That he has that much power to dictate whatever he wants???

Think about that. That's absurd.

Its a hypothetical QB who doesn't like doing certain things, from a contrarian POV. And the impact on the scheme when that hypothetical QB (to be clear not Hurts) is playing if they would rather do a 50/50 throw deep than take a 5 yard throw over the middle.

I don't see Hurts being traded unless he demands it. I would be very surprised to see that even if he did. I will happily criticise Hurts taking way too long to throw the ball or not knowing when to slide.

But I will praise him for developing his touch on long throws and this year, working on pocket presence and trusting the pass protection. And also his focus on silly turnovers being minimised. Its not all good and its not all bad

17 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

It was probably that one where @hputenis and @Godfather have @olsilverhair tied up. Pretty sure there was peanut butter, a goat, and I think a Big Dom cutout? Idk only made it 5 seconds in.

6 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Its a hypothetical QB who doesn't like doing certain things, from a contrarian POV. And the impact on the scheme when that hypothetical QB (to be clear not Hurts)

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I agree that Hurts has a role in limiting the offense. Sirianni's approach exacerbates the issue. There are long standing issues with motion, simple routes and repeating concepts that seem like hallmarks of Sirianni. How often did we see Sirianni use the WR screen in 2021. Sirianni's fixation on turnovers has made him less willing to have more receivers out in routes and the use of heavy personnel.

One area I haven't had the time to dip into the Colts this year doing so well with Daniel Jones at QB. Someone we all have seen is a complete goof.

I do think Siranni's scheme isn't an easy mesh with Hurts natural/instinctive playing style, and there is a some unknown amount of friction between what they both want to do. You can fairly argue Siranni is a HC frustrated that he's not had a QB that can run his scheme in its purest form.

But I'd say to that, life isn't perfect kid.

I'd also point out that Hurts, from a draft position perspective, has vastly overperformed the pick number he was drafted at. Better QBs picked higher are a lot worse than he is. Something he doesn't get credit for.

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If someone is intent on burning down Patullo's house, I don't think seeing an image of it on the internet will be the spark that makes them commit the crime. It's more likely the next coward's draw will do it.

18 minutes ago, NOTW said:

First, Hurts has said he likes playing under center there was video of him coming out of the draft saying that. He's run, thrown to the middle and all the things people say he won't do. Plus other QBs like McNabb as they got older preferred to not run as much.

Second, the coaches are supposed to be in charge. All these narratives that Hurts doesn't want to do this, refuses to do that, what does that say about the coaches and front office? What these ideas are really saying is that the front office and coaches do whatever Jalen Hurts wants. Think about that. Lurie has had no problem firing Andy Reid the winningest coach in history, firing Doug who brought their first Super Bowl. Howie traded McNabb and Wentz away when it was time to move on.

You mean to tell me that this front office who fired Reid and Doug, traded McNabb and Wentz are scared to coach Jalen Hurts? That he has that much power to dictate whatever he wants???

Think about that. That's absurd.

I think when they are winning and invested a quarter of a billion dollars into the guy, yea, he has a lot of power.

There are also a lot of steps missing in the previous examples that we aren't currently at yet. McNabb and Wentz both played poorly over sustained stretches, were benched at some point, and then eventually shipped away. Reid and Doug had disastrous stretches of bad football, given different options to turn it around but didn't, and then were moved off of.

If Hurts continues to play poorly and they are losing for streches, you will start to see the front office and Lurie taking more control of what they think the offense should be and it will be up to Hurts to adjust. If not, they will ship him off like Wentz and McNabb.

If can have a redo. Without breaking the bank. At worst,

I keep CJGJ, Rodgers, Becton, Booker and Kinnard.

If Howie wanted to spend money and guarantee Superbowls for 2 years. Then...

I keep Milton, Becton and Rodgers, as the alternate scenario. All three of these would essentially be 2 year deals. (MW contract was guaranteed 51M/2 year deal essentially). And not worry about who we have to resign the next 2/3 offseasons. I play for a 2peat and 3peat with this cast from last year. And worry later. And no extensions for Jurgens or Barkley.

I was okay sacrificing Davis, Dean, Blankenship, Nolan to achieve this goal....if need be. Not sure we keep any of those guys long term anyway. I always saw the must keeps/cornerstones as Carter, Mitchell & DeJean.

This team is gonna have to stay healthy and play mistake free football to pull this out now. Need guys like Bennett and Carter to step up as well. Or it's a no go to the Superbowl. Which is all that matters.

Just now, NOTW said:

If I wanted to slag off Hurts, I would happily do it by using his name 🤣

I'm going to put this out now ahead of time so it doesn't sound reactionary. I had a similar take in 2023 and I stand by the take even today.

If this team gets into a situation where they blow the division and they have to win in the final week of the season to get in or something of the sort. Or we need Dallas to lose to get us in. Then I'm going to root for the Eagles to miss the playoffs. If they collapse to such a degree where we either need help or are in a must win game, then they're going to be one and done anyway. And I'd feel much more confident that Lurie would make major changes if they miss the playoffs than if they sneak into the playoffs. If this season collapses I want it to be a total embarrassment and not only a partial embarrassment. And also you'd get a slightly better draft pick out of it. I know most people are going to be in the "Always just get in!" camp, but not me. We won a Super Bowl last season, if it comes to it, I'm more than willing to sacrifice a doomed playoff berth for the greater good.

I said the same in 2023 and wanted them to miss the playoffs because I knew they'd be one and done.

But the Eagles can avoid all this by winning on MNF and making this a non issue. If the Eagles win and Dallas loses this week, this division is close to a wrap.

3 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

One area I haven't had the time to dip into the Colts this year doing so well with Daniel Jones at QB. Someone we all have seen is a complete goof.

I do think Siranni's scheme isn't an easy mesh with Hurts natural/instinctive playing style, and there is a some unknown amount of friction between what they both want to do. You can fairly argue Siranni is a HC frustrated that he's not had a QB that can run his scheme in its purest form.

But I'd say to that, life isn't perfect kid.

I'd also point out that Hurts, from a draft position perspective, has vastly overperformed the pick number he was drafted at. Better QBs picked higher are a lot worse than he is. Something he doesn't get credit for.

Siri previously inherited Philip Rivers in his prime after already being proven for years and his numbers were essentially the same, and Andrew Luck who also had prior success before Siri. Nick took the job with the Eagles knowing Hurts was the QB, couldn't be expected to be a top passer in the league. Siri doesn't know how to create an offense for that, he needs a top passer already developed. Nick needs an OC who can coach to the QBs strengths which he had in Steichen. Moore was hired to do that and they also got Barkley and didn't need to pass much because they were running so well and could afford to have a limited passing game, but when they needed to, opened it up. They don't have the run game and O line dominance this year so they have no answers on how to run the offense.

They can't even figure out to give Tank more carries or to not run Barkley directly up the middle when the linemen are all banged up. Even the tush push isn't what it was. These are coaching issues (and Hurts has issues too).

Feels like everyone forgot the Wentz report of "not wanting to run the Foles stuff" even though that offense looked better than the gun slinging style Wentz wanted to run.

Franchise QB's who get paid have a lot of power and say in what they want in the offense. This isn't a new concept.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If someone is intent on burning down Patullo's house, I don't think seeing an image of it on the internet will be the spark that makes them commit the crime. It's more likely the next coward's draw will do it.

I agree that Hurts has a role in limiting the offense. Sirianni's approach exacerbates the issue. There are long standing issues with motion, simple routes and repeating concepts that seem like hallmarks of Sirianni. How often did we see Sirianni use the WR screen in 2021. Sirianni's fixation on turnovers has made him less willing to have more receivers out in routes and the use of heavy personnel.

Sirianni should have little to zero say in the offense (past and future) - it is not his strength and very obvious. On two occasions where experienced play-callers/coordinator's took over, our offense was substantially better with two SB appearances. It was stupid for Howie and Jeff to cave in and allow Sirianni to have a say in the coordinator selection after winning the SB. I get everything was great at the time, celebration, parade, YAY.....but losing sight and not staying the course has thrown this team off and potentially wasted another year in our window. We have literally made the same mistake that we learned from just 2 years ago.

I know the argument is there weren't any other coordinators at that time, I won't say complete BS, but partial BS......we knew heading into the Wild Card game Kellen was favored for the Saints job and it was basically his to take. It's a royal PITA watching other teams with half of our talent find ways to move the ball........hell I would take FG's and bad RZ percentage over all the 3 and outs we've had, utterly a joke......and the defense knows they have to try to carry the weight.

4 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

If can have a redo. Without breaking the bank. At worst,

I keep CJGJ, Rodgers, Becton, Booker and Kinnard.

If Howie wanted to spend money and guarantee Superbowls for 2 years. Then...

I keep Milton, Becton and Rodgers, as the alternate scenario. All three of these would essentially be 2 year deals. (MW contract was guaranteed 51M/2 year deal essentially). And not worry about who we have to resign the next 2/3 offseasons. I play for a 2peat and 3peat with this cast from last year. And worry later. And no extensions for Jurgens or Barkley.

I was okay sacrificing Davis, Dean, Blankenship, Nolan to achieve this goal....if need be. Not sure we keep any of those guys long term anyway. I always saw the must keeps/cornerstones as Carter, Mitchell & DeJean.

This team is gonna have to stay healthy and play mistake free football to pull this out now. Need guys like Bennett and Carter to step up as well. Or it's a no go to the Superbowl. Which is all that matters.

I figure it's a given that Becton comes back. I'm hoping there are better options besides CJGJ lol

I was never on the Davis wagon. I doubt he'll be extended. He was good in the beginning and then fell of a cliff. Guess his tank went empty

Not to interrupt the Hurts/Patullo/Nick debate, but just throwing it out there that it would also help if the OL didn't suck and they didn't commit presnap penalties all the time

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I think when they are winning and invested a quarter of a billion dollars into the guy, yea, he has a lot of power.

There are also a lot of steps missing in the previous examples that we aren't currently at yet. McNabb and Wentz both played poorly over sustained stretches, were benched at some point, and then eventually shipped away. Reid and Doug had disastrous stretches of bad football, given different options to turn it around but didn't, and then were moved off of.

If Hurts continues to play poorly and they are losing for streches, you will start to see the front office and Lurie taking more control of what they think the offense should be and it will be up to Hurts to adjust. If not, they will ship him off like Wentz and McNabb.

QB contracts are always high. That doesn't mean they have power over coaching and front office. QBs with more contract value than Hurts: do these guys have a lot of power over their coaches and front office?

Trevor Lawrence - $275m
Brock Purdy - $265m

Justin Herbert - $262m

Lamar Jackson - $260m

Others just below Hurts: do these guys have power over coaches and front office?

Kyler Murray - $230m

Deshaun Waton - $230m

Jordan Love - $220m

Regarding missing steps, my point is the same people in charge have proven to make major changes, and I don't buy that they are allowing a QB to dictate what the coaches will call and they do not coach him, hold him accountable, do not insist on running certain plays because he has the power over them. Plus, this season Hurts has taken snaps under center and recently thrown over the middle. So he does it, but refuses to do it, but the coaches don't call it? It doesn't add up.

Now, any coach should design plays to the QB strengths and weaknesses. And it should be a collaboration. It's why coaches have to alter game plans for a backup QB. Reich did that for Foles and it helped them win their first SB. Good coaching takes into account what a player is comfortable doing. A good OC should be able to design plays to the strengths of the roster.

39 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Well if he doesn't feel comfortable throwing to the middle then that's his prerogative. They gave him the offense. Although it seems ludicrous considering the stats show he's pretty good at the middle throws

Regarding the runs.. do you just not believe he's told them he doesn't want to run? Or do you believe he shouldn't get criticism for not wanting to run anymore?

I think the coaches have a responsibility to overrule the wishes of a player if it doesn't help them win. Hurts may not want to run as much because he's gotten hurt doing so. But we've now seen 12 games where it isn't working -- at some point the adults need to be the adults and call the QB designed runs. Work with Hurts to protect himself (which he has been doing this year), but you can't let a single player, even the QB, dictate an offense that doesn't work.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I figure it's a given that Becton comes back. I'm hoping there are better options besides CJGJ lol

I was never on the Davis wagon. I doubt he'll be extended. He was good in the beginning and then fell of a cliff. Guess his tank went empty

Yeah. But I'd like Becton & CJGJ now. LOL. CJGJ is nothing amazing. But he's a playmaker and brings up Reed's game. They are a decent & professional tandem. Becton helps out this running game. He's a different player with Stout and WANTED TO BE HERE. Yes. I see him coming back this offseason.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Feels like everyone forgot the Wentz report of "not wanting to run the Foles stuff" even though that offense looked better than the gun slinging style Wentz wanted to run.

Franchise QB's who get paid have a lot of power and say in what they want in the offense. This isn't a new concept.

And what did they do with Wentz?

QBs - or any player - having preferences and expressing that is one thing, or having influence because they respect the player. And coaches should design plays to the strengths of their players, and collaborate to talk with their players about what's working and not.

But "power" means they are in charge and tell the coaches what to do, not influence or having a say to contribute. If Nick Sirianni, CEO and Kevin Patullo OC cannot and will not run things because of Jalen Hurts, and Howie Roseman GM and Lurie allow it, then that's bigger problems in the organization.

9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Not to interrupt the Hurts/Patullo/Nick debate, but just throwing it out there that it would also help if the OL didn't suck and they didn't commit presnap penalties all the time

To add to that, it was reported that AJ Brown has committed the most penalties on offense, most of them false starts. This week Mailata said penalties like false starts and holds take the momentum out of the offense, and they've had a lot of them.

That's a simple thing the coaches could be addressing and fixing. Nick talks about details and the standard and yet that hasn't changed.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I honestly haven't