22 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Wouldn’t be that surprising. I don’t think that rumor just came out of nowhere. And they’ve been linked to him and wanting him for a while now. This feels like the second consecutive season that rumor got put out there.

I kinda also think the eagles have the assets to match up with the Browns. Hypothetically, if the Browns like Tanner McKee (wouldn’t be shocked if they were intrigued), that is a nice trade chip going to them as they don’t have a franchise quarterback. If they believe McKee can be a competent starting Qb on a rookie deal (albeit last year of it) that’s something a lot of other teams don’t have to give up and still have their franchise/starting Qb. Plus, because the eagles roster is so good as it is I could see howie swinging for a trade like that. Give away multiple firsts but still have enough draft capital to add young talent to make the team better.

I don't think the Garrett rumor came out of nowhere just like I don't think the AJ Brown talk came out of nowhere. In the sense that you can trace it back to something. AJ was frustrated with the offense, teams need WRs, therefore teams will call the Eagles and try. The Eagles need a pass rusher, the Browns suck, Howie would love to have Garrett(who wouldn't?).

But I think both situations are likely to have those teams keep those players because of how good they are. I think the Browns maybe deciding to part with Garrett is more likely since after the season they could conceivably fire Stefanski and decide to rebuild, and rebuilding teams often want that starting point to amass picks for the rebuild. But I just don't know if I see Howie trading 3 firsts for him. Howie sitting antsy 3 first rounds in a row with no picks would be a tough pill to swallow. Not to mention the cap ramifications of acquiring a guy like that.

1 hour ago, MF POON said:

You might be, I don't know your daily regimen.

You go watch the play. His WR was in bounds before he releases that ball and Love signals him to go right as he's throwing up a 50/50 ball, but instead the WR gives up on the play because he allowed himself to go out of bounds and then makes an effort once he realizes the ball is going to get picked off. Also, I highly doubt the DB would've ran it back even if he had caught it, because 87 was there to make the tackle right as he dropped it

None of this justifies that incredibly stupid throw. He's rolling to his left and looking right. Why? Because he's a stupid QB who's about to do something stupid again. Since the advent of the forward pass it's always been a rule to never throw across your body to the other side of the field. Football 101, there's no way he can get any velocity on that ball.

Second, his WR has a DB right on top of him, hemmed to the boundary. The play is over right there, look somewhere else, like the three WRs in the end zone right in front of him. That's where you throw your 50/50 ball, not a dead duck that travels like 40 air yards to the opposite sideline to a blanketed receiver.

You guys are getting hung up on the fact that it was 4th down. Doesn't matter.

1. Throw an actual 50/50 ball to the receivers right in front of you

2. Throw it out of bounds, live another day

3. Take a sack, live another day

4. Throw that ball, which most high school DBs would intercept. At a minimum you lose 7 yards of field position and the possession.

Jordan Love is a moron and hasn't earned this type of credibility. It was a stupid throw by a stupid player

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Berman is saying he doesn't think we've heard the last of Howie's pursuit of Garrett and it'll linger into the offseason. I'd rather not do it, I don't want to trade multiple firsts for 30+ year olds, I just think it's bad business, even guys as amazing as Garrett.

I can see a scenario where this team falls short of a Super Bowl because of the defense and pass rush is the issue. If that's the case, I think it's a move they consider. The 2 moves they made, however, had conditions related to the cash that was due to the player. I think that means they want to hedge their bets and have flexibility to keep talent. Trading for Garrett takes away that flexibility.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't think the Garrett rumor came out of nowhere just like I don't think the AJ Brown talk came out of nowhere. In the sense that you can trace it back to something. AJ was frustrated with the offense, teams need WRs, therefore teams will call the Eagles and try. The Eagles need a pass rusher, the Browns suck, Howie would love to have Garrett(who wouldn't?).

But I think both situations are likely to have those teams keep those players because of how good they are. I think the Browns maybe deciding to part with Garrett is more likely since after the season they could conceivably fire Stefanski and decide to rebuild, and rebuilding teams often want that starting point to amass picks for the rebuild. But I just don't know if I see Howie trading 3 firsts for him. Howie sitting antsy 3 first rounds in a row with no picks would be a tough pill to swallow. Not to mention the cap ramifications of acquiring a guy like that.

With AJ Brown, my opinions always been he’s not gonna be here after 2026 unless they give him an extension. Sportrac said the same thing I did. The line of demarcation in that contract was after 2026. Because he doesn’t have much guarantee so he’s gonna want an extension and I’m not so sure the eagle at 30 wanna give him that. So I think part of these rumors is that he sees the light at the end of the tunnel that he is going to need an extension at the end of next year and he needs his production to be better so that when he goes to that market, can get his last big payday.

In terms of the Browns, imo they should’ve traded Garrett and found a way to make it work financially. Because of that Watson trade and his contract, you have a lot of money on your cap taken up by him. basically stuck with him and you’re not going anywhere. It’s been harder to rebuild because of what you gave up and the amount of cap his contract is taking up. By the time you get this turned around it could be three years. In three years Garrett is gonna be 33 years old. The odds said he is going to be the same player at that time are less likely. And even if he is, you might get one good year by the time you turning around. You’re better off cashing in that trade chip to help you build the roster up so that when Watson‘s contracts up, you have a good enough roster. Or you can finally use the draft capital you have to get the right quarterback. To me this goes to the Browns FO doesn’t want to be the organization that made the horrific investment and trade in Deshaun Watson then due to that mistake traded Myles Garrett, who is a once in a generation type player. I kind also don’t see the browns getting 3 1st. I think they get more than 2 firsts but i think it’ll be second day picks and rookie contract player(s)

7 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

None of this justifies that incredibly stupid throw. He's rolling to his left and looking right. Why? Because he's a stupid QB who's about to do something stupid again. Since the advent of the forward pass it's always been a rule to never throw across your body to the other side of the field. Football 101, there's no way he can get any velocity on that ball.

Second, his WR has a DB right on top of him, hemmed to the boundary. The play is over right there, look somewhere else, like the three WRs in the end zone right in front of him. That's where you throw your 50/50 ball, not a dead duck that travels like 40 air yards to the opposite sideline to a blanketed receiver.

You guys are getting hung up on the fact that it was 4th down. Doesn't matter.

1. Throw an actual 50/50 ball to the receivers right in front of you

2. Throw it out of bounds, live another day

3. Take a sack, live another day

4. Throw that ball, which most high school DBs would intercept. At a minimum you lose 7 yards of field position and the possession.

Jordan Love is a moron and hasn't earned this type of credibility. It was a stupid throw by a stupid player

The QB should always take the least worst option in that situation, especially when a game is close. In that situation, he wasn't going to win any thing good by throwing it there. It showed how easily flustered Love can get, that it wasn't vaguely close to the WR and he got lucky the DB dropped a dolly of a catch.

8 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

None of this justifies that incredibly stupid throw. He's rolling to his left and looking right. Why? Because he's a stupid QB who's about to do something stupid again. Since the advent of the forward pass it's always been a rule to never throw across your body to the other side of the field. Football 101, there's no way he can get any velocity on that ball.

Second, his WR has a DB right on top of him, hemmed to the boundary. The play is over right there, look somewhere else, like the three WRs in the end zone right in front of him. That's where you throw your 50/50 ball, not a dead duck that travels like 40 air yards to the opposite sideline to a blanketed receiver.

You guys are getting hung up on the fact that it was 4th down. Doesn't matter.

1. Throw an actual 50/50 ball to the receivers right in front of you

2. Throw it out of bounds, live another day

3. Take a sack, live another day

4. Throw that ball, which most high school DBs would intercept. At a minimum you lose 7 yards of field position and the possession.

Jordan Love is a moron and hasn't earned this type of credibility. It was a stupid throw by a stupid player

One of the considerations in the decision may be that the DB had his back to Love. Still, he appears to have 3 other better options or potentially 4 if you consider the fact that he could run and have a chance at the first down. Even if he runs and doesn't make it, he would have a better chance of getting past the LOS which is still a better outcome than a turnover on downs or interception with a touchback.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I can see a scenario where this team falls short of a Super Bowl because of the defense and pass rush is the issue. If that's the case, I think it's a move they consider. The 2 moves they made, however, had conditions related to the cash that was due to the player. I think that means they want to hedge their bets and have flexibility to keep talent. Trading for Garrett takes away that flexibility.

I think the thing with Howie is if it is a generational type player, he’s willing to pay the price for that. Because generational type talent in their primes don’t always become available. AJ Brown became available because the Titans didn’t wanna pay him. The Eagles were willing to give up a first and a 3rd to acquire him and pay him the contract he wanted. Because they knew he was the type of talent you give up capital for.

Now he’s not on the same scale in my opinion as Parsons or Garrett. But Garrett is a generational type talent. Even if you got four years of great play by him, he takes your entire defense to another level. Especially with Carter along side him. That’s why I think howie would be considering making that move. There’s a reason why he called up about Parsons even though Dallas was never gonna trade for him. Because that type of talent if it ever becomes available can completely take your team to another level.

That said, I do not think the Browns would get 3 first round picks for him because he’s at 30. I do think they would get 2 1st round picks, a couple second and 3rd day picks and probably a young player on a rookie contract. Frankly, I kind of think the Eagles called them because they have Tanner McKee sitting there and they want to cash in on that trade asset eventually. the Browns are a team where they could use him as part of that trade so that is value in that trade for the eagles 

18 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Been saying it. Strip him of his C after this season.

WIP gotta be the worst sports radio station in sports. Hating on Howie too. Why? Look around. We could be the jets

21 hours ago, vikas83 said:

So Jerry basically traded Micah Parsons, an all-pro edge rusher, and a 2026 2nd round pick for...a 2026 1st round pick that will be in the mid to late 20s, Kenny Clark and Quinnen Williams. Oh, and Clark is out of gteed money after 2025 and QW has only ~$7.6mm, so both going to be asking for extensions this offseason.

Wow...

I’d rather have Clark and Quinnen and a 1st pick.

@NCiggles I'm 100% certain you're correct. He saw the DB looking the other way and starts pointing over to the right with delusions of grandeur where he just lasers the ball over there and the DB keeps looking backwards for some reason. Touchdown. Everybody claps.

47 minutes ago, NOTW said:

I never want to see another game like that Giants loss again

😀 I have experienced four of those type losses already this year. Bears, Panthers, Broncos, and the Cards. The score against CAR (30 - 27) isn't reflective of the butt whipping they put on DAL, they literally ran it down DAL throat all dang game.

50 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think Howie is right in being open to listen to offers for AJ. I don't believe he is seriously trying, but if there's a team dumb enough to give a kings ransom, you take it.

7 minutes ago, RICWOOFLAIR said:

I’d rather have Clark and Quinnen and a 1st pick.

Easier to say that then when you realize Williams wanted a rework contract with jets as he was unhappy with his contract. Which means he’s gonna want an extension with the Cowboys this off-season when he doesn’t have much guaranteed money left. And Jerry Jones has been a pain in the ass to deal with when getting an extension. So that they might be in the same spot they were with Parsons but now with Williams.

As much as I want to point the finger at the media for unnecessary drama…I am convinced it is the individual agents that stir it all up.

4 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I think Howie is right in being open to listen to offers for AJ. I don't believe he is seriously trying, but if there's a team dumb enough to give a kings ransom, you take it.

I didn’t think it was realistic that they were trading him this year. This off-season I think there’s a slightly higher chance but still unlikely. But looking at AJ Brown’s contract he only has $4 million guaranteed after 2026. I said this before he got his last extension. When you looked at that he was going to come to the Eagles at the end of 2024 and ask for an extension because he didn’t have much guaranteed money left. They got it done early so it avoided that issue.

Kind of plays out the same way at the end of 2026. So either at the end of 2026 they’re either gonna have to give him an extension at 30 years old cause he’s going to ask for it because he doesn’t have much guaranteed money left or you’re gonna have to deal them away/let them go. That day is coming.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t think it was realistic that they were trading him this year. This off-season I think there’s a slightly higher chance but still unlikely. But looking at AJ Brown’s contract he only has $4 million guaranteed after 2026. I said this before he got his last extension. When you looked at that he was going to come to the Eagles at the end of 2024 and ask for an extension because he didn’t have much guaranteed money left. They got it done early so it avoided that issue.

Kind of plays out the same way at the end of 2026. So either at the end of 2026 they’re either gonna have to give him an extension at 30 years old cause he’s going to ask for it because he doesn’t have much guaranteed money left or you’re gonna have to deal them away/let them go. That day is coming.

Yeah, I think the 2026 offseason is going to be the full transition into a new era. This year they are moving in that direction and prepping for the big extensions. Is AJ part of that? I think so, but it won't be smooth sailing with him.

With regards to DE I think Howie has coveted Garrett but now that deadline passed he'll see how his current crew does. If none of these guys gets 5 sacks in the final 8 I think Howie is more likely to make a bold offseason trade. If they do then I think he'll focus on re-signing the performer and saving the draft & $ resources that Garrett would require

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

Jordan Love is a top 5 QB unlike Hurts who needs AJ Brown and Saquon.

Hater. Top 2 and ain't 2

25 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I can see a scenario where this team falls short of a Super Bowl because of the defense and pass rush is the issue

I don't see this happening. Not to be argumentative at all, I just think PHI is in such a great position to maintain what is working. For the last couple of years it's a tweak here and there and the talent pool is deep enough to make the next run. I think the moves made recently are the ones for this year to be back in the SB. Pass rush should be much improved with BG and Philips added which leads to less time for DBs to have to cover creating quicker decision making for them. Added depth to an already good secondary was smart, it's a long season. The offense is the offense and will round out as needed just like it has the last two games.

I think next year PHI is doing the same thing, the core is solid, move in the right pieces at the right time, set up for the next run. As long as the core produces the ancillary pieces can be added for shortcomings as those are identified, PHI seems to have a very good approach to doing this. PHI is in a much better position than most, if not the best position to stay a top echelon team for the next few years, possibly the next dynasty team, maybe not seven SB dynasty but you never know. I could easily see PHI matching the Chiefs dynasty over the last few years.

Yeh I am an optimist, and a fan of a rival team, but you can't turn a blind eye to solid management and talent acquisition which is what PHI is excelling at right now.

@mattwill

Eagles 24, Packers 20

Bonus -- Hurts 2+ TDs rushing

24 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

As much as I want to point the finger at the media for unnecessary drama…I am convinced it is the individual agents that stir it all up.

There does seem to be a financial incentive to get traded, as the agent gets to move on from a stale agreement and negotiate a well-above market contract with the new franchise while they are over a barrel (a smart franchise would already have an extension hammered out, but still).

Week 10 games start tomorrow; slow day at work so I'll make weekly selections now. The last 3 weeks I've gone 29-13 straight-up (I guess that's good, not great?). We'll see if I can beat the 85 points I put up a couple of weeks ago:

Bills over Dolphins -- 14 points

Lions over Commanders -- 13 points

Broncos over Raiders -- 12 points

Browns over Jets -- 11 points

Panthers over Saints -- 10 points

Colts over Falcons -- 9 points

Ravens over Vikings -- 8 points

Bears over Giants -- 7 points

Bucs over Patriots -- 6 points

Seahawks over Cards -- 5 points

Eagles over Packers -- 4 points

Rams over Niners -- 3 points

Texans over Jaguars -- 2 points

Chargers over Steelers -- 1 point

Joe Ball has to be a troll or a clone . 😜

There's no way a Cowboys fan can be this rational with their thinking and posts here. 😎