5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

The relevant question for me on the whole AJ situation is - how far is Brown willing to go if he wants to force a trade? Will he skip the offseason program? I believe he missed parts of it last year. Will he hold in at training camp? Go public with a trade demand? It seems we are down to one potential trade partner now - New England. If the Pats won't meet Howie's price, what will AJ do?

I don't think anyone knows the answer to that. National media saying he has to be traded are basing it mainly off their own conjecture and biases (and, they want the clicks). My personal opinion is AJ wants to be moved, but only to a handful of places like NE, LA, KC, etc. I don't think he just wants out and will accept going anywhere. So if we go back and tell him we can't make a deal with one of his preferred places, what does he do? My bet - he plays out 2026 knowing we are going to move on after the year. But I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it.

I don't think he's the type to cause drama. He may prefer to play in another offense, but I think he'd report to the team and play. I don't believe he hates it here. I think he believes either the offense sucks(Which Mannion will change) or the QB isn't very good. But I've never heard of a player demanding out adamantly from a winning team before just because he didn't think the QB or offense were amazing unless there was some personal beef ... and I don't believe there is.

1 minute ago, greend said:

Do we have some confirmation somewhere that he is trying to force a trade?

Nope - that's why I said it's my opinion he wants to be traded only to certain places.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Your conflating availability of blue chip super talent freak beasts at the top with good class.

Its an AWESOME class that is super deep. But no, it doesnt have an incredible talent at the top.

In fact, I dont love any WRs at 23 like Cooper, or Concepcion, or Antonio Williams. Dont even love Boston. I like all of them but they all seem like 2nd rounders.

On that note, there are about a million 2nd round WR talents, and guys I really like a lot well in do day 3 of this draft.

Drafts are always evaluated by how good they are at the top. There's a difference between deep and great. To me a great class has to have blue chip talent at the top. Otherwise, it can be deep, but not great. In the first round you want a WR who has at least the chance to be elite or you think could be. No one in this class fits that bill IMO. There isn't a WR in this draft I'd be giddy taking in round 1. It's a big reason why I'd prefer not to trade Brown. They'd probably take WR early, it's a position they evaluate very poorly, and this is a class that doesn't have obvious blue chip talent to mitigate their evaluation deficiencies.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Nope - that's why I said it's my opinion he wants to be traded only to certain places.

I'm going to stick by my thoughts that he plays the season here.

I think there's really only one question that matters for the 2026 Eagles: was Kevin Patullo THAT bad that his presence as the playcaller and schematic lead completely torpedoed an otherwise very talented would-be successful offense?

Because they are running it back with an offense that will be a year older, one year balder tires, one year more injury prone...probably going to start more OL combos in 2026 than 2025...and probably/maybe minus their leading receiver. All with no material additions.

So the entire chances of a 2025 below average offense not getting incrementally worse and, instead, actually flipping a switch and being GOOD...rest on the premise that Patullo was SO HORRIBLE his mere elimination will springboard the offense to another level.

This just really feels like wishful thinking. I think there are so many warning lights blinking red on this offense right now....

Just now, greend said:

I'm going to stick by my thoughts that he plays the season here.

My only strong opinion was that we couldn't trade him pre June 1, and that made all the stories from national "reporters" ridiculous because none of them were doing basic math. Now, with the Goedert deal, we COULD do it pre June 1, but I still think that is unlikely. But I don't take the "reports" from people like Russini, Garofolo, Rappoport, etc. to mean anything since they all beclowned themselves by never bringing up the cap impact. Not sure why I'd take any of them seriously when they have proven to be so incompetent and lazy.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

My only strong opinion was that we couldn't trade him pre June 1, and that made all the stories from national "reporters" ridiculous because none of them were doing basic math. Now, with the Goedert deal, we COULD do it pre June 1, but I still think that is unlikely. But I don't take the "reports" from people like Russini, Garofolo, Rappoport, etc. to mean anything since they all beclowned themselves by never bringing up the cap impact. Not sure why I'd take any of them seriously when they have proven to be so incompetent and lazy.

Because fans love drama.

21 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Wass in Tokyo for work the last few days, so finally home and readjusting to the time zone. Here's some thoughts on where we stand:

• Getting back DG for 1 year, $7mm is a freaking steal. I'd be shocked if there weren't better offers than that on the market.

• The Ebiketie signing is good value, but I think they still need to add at edge (Greenard, draft)

• We now COULD move AJ before June 1, but would basically eat all our remaining effective cap space

• Best guess below on there we stand

I agree that he would rather see if he can get picks next year.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

My only strong opinion was that we couldn't trade him pre June 1, and that made all the stories from national "reporters" ridiculous because none of them were doing basic math. Now, with the Goedert deal, we COULD do it pre June 1, but I still think that is unlikely. But I don't take the "reports" from people like Russini, Garofolo, Rappoport, etc. to mean anything since they all beclowned themselves by never bringing up the cap impact. Not sure why I'd take any of them seriously when they have proven to be so incompetent and lazy.

I have a question about the 2-3 date deferrals they had with Goedert...they were obviously tried to push off the date in which his $20m hit got irreversibly baked into this offseason. I'm just wondering Goedert's perspective in all of this. Has Goedert been free to pursue a deal with another team all this time? If that date was deferred, did that make him not an FA?

Everyone is trying to connect the dots between Goedert coming back and an AJ trade. From a football perspective, it feels like they HAVE to bring back at least one of Goedert/AJ just for the sake of continuity. And everyone knows the cap perspective.

I'm just wondering if they brought him back because they wanted to. He tested the market, didn't get much lucrative interest. Howie doesn't want to force-pick a TE in the draft...made sense for everyone involved.

Just feels crazy that they want to unload AJ so badly, so quickly, that they'd sign a player they didn't even want to keep just to be able to do it.

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Drafts are always evaluated by how good they are at the top. There's a difference between deep and great. To me a great class has to have blue chip talent at the top. Otherwise, it can be deep, but not great. In the first round you want a WR who has at least the chance to be elite or you think could be. No one in this class fits that bill IMO. There isn't a WR in this draft I'd be giddy taking in round 1. It's a big reason why I'd prefer not to trade Brown. They'd probably take WR early, it's a position they evaluate very poorly, and this is a class that doesn't have obvious blue chip talent to mitigate their evaluation deficiencies.

Well, thats your definition. But it explains why everyone else says its a great class. It has a TON of talent.

I forget what it was Brugler said he had in his top 100. Was it 20 or 30 WRs? These are WRs that he sees as starters. Either numner is significant. Even if it was just 20 (not 30) out of the top 100 means 1/5th of the top 100 players are WRs. Thats an immense amount of talent at the position.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I have a question about the 2-3 date deferrals they had with Goedert...they were obviously tried to push off the date in which his $20m hit got irreversibly baked into this offseason. I'm just wondering Goedert's perspective in all of this. Has Goedert been free to pursue a deal with another team all this time? If that date was deferred, did that make him not an FA?

Everyone is trying to connect the dots between Goedert coming back and an AJ trade. From a football perspective, it feels like they HAVE to bring back at least one of Goedert/AJ just for the sake of continuity. And everyone knows the cap perspective.

I'm just wondering if they brought him back because they wanted to. He tested the market, didn't get much lucrative interest. Howie doesn't want to force-pick a TE in the draft...made sense for everyone involved.

Just feels crazy that they want to unload AJ so badly, so quickly, that they'd sign a player they didn't even want to keep just to be able to do it.

Goedert is an excellent bridge at the price Howie negotiated, and even in isolation the signing is perfectly logical. Now we just need to draft his replacement with somebody good and kick the Calculator to the curb following the preseason.

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I have a question about the 2-3 date deferrals they had with Goedert...they were obviously tried to push off the date in which his $20m hit got irreversibly baked into this offseason. I'm just wondering Goedert's perspective in all of this. Has Goedert been free to pursue a deal with another team all this time? If that date was deferred, did that make him not an FA?

Everyone is trying to connect the dots between Goedert coming back and an AJ trade. From a football perspective, it feels like they HAVE to bring back at least one of Goedert/AJ just for the sake of continuity. And everyone knows the cap perspective.

I'm just wondering if they brought him back because they wanted to. He tested the market, didn't get much lucrative interest. Howie doesn't want to force-pick a TE in the draft...made sense for everyone involved.

Just feels crazy that they want to unload AJ so badly, so quickly, that they'd sign a player they didn't even want to keep just to be able to do it.

So, pushing off the void date cost both sides. Since the contract didn't void before the new league year started, the Eagles would no longer have gotten a comp pick if they eventually voided the contract and DG signed elsewhere. Comp picks are only for guys who are FAs when the league year opens - this effectively would have been releasing DG. For Goedert, the Eagles may have given his agent permission to talk to other teams, but if they didn't, then he couldn't talk to anyone (he was still technically under contract with the Eagles). I'd guess they let his agent have some conversations, but other teams wouldn't be that aggressive knowing they were simply being used as a market check.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Well, thats your definition. But it explains why everyone else says its a great class. It has a TON of talent.

I forget what it was Brugler said he had in his top 100. Was it 20 or 30 WRs? These are WRs that he sees as starters. Either numner is significant. Even if it was just 20 (not 30) out of the top 100 means 1/5th of the top 100 players are WRs. Thats an immense amount of talent at the position.

I agree, the blue chip talent argument doesn't really resonate with me because we aren't at the top of the draft - so that's really not our problem. It's who's available in top-100/150 who can help us, and there seems like quite a few prospects of different types. That said it appears to be a good WR draft every year, but we need to get some talent into development - maybe an X receiver which are a bit more rare, certainly somebody who can step in quickly as WR3.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

So, pushing off the void date cost both sides. Since the contract didn't void before the new league year started, the Eagles would no longer have gotten a comp pick if they eventually voided the contract and DG signed elsewhere. Comp picks are only for guys who are FAs when the league year opens - this effectively would have been releasing DG. For Goedert, the Eagles may have given his agent permission to talk to other teams, but if they didn't, then he couldn't talk to anyone (he was still technically under contract with the Eagles). I'd guess they let his agent have some conversations, but other teams wouldn't be that aggressive knowing they were simply being used as a market check.

At 31, the next contract is usually the last one. There's no way he wanted 1 year. I'm sure he loves Philly and was willing to take a bit of a discount...and I'm sure someone might have thrown an extra couple million at him. But I have to think he'd have left for more years and that he did test the market and just couldn't get it.

Slay retired

It feels like a "Throwaway season" for 2026. Reset the O and D respectively, let the new Coaches get their feet wet as a Collective Coaching unit, then attack the 2027 season. Lots of wholes though. And they'll probably lose Fangio to retirement,

I'm a very positive person. 🙃😬😝

Slay announced his retirement.

Thanks for the memories and a great career BPS

13 hours ago, BigEFly said:

No. What football IQ, instincts or quickness in Ringo’s game suggests a safety?

Some people have wanted to convert everyone to S since the beginning of time. Forget IQ, instincts and quickness, he doesn’t have the agility, hips and athleticism to defend anything other than a go route in bail.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I think you mean Kerry Collins 2.5

That’s disrespectful…Collins was in the NFL for 17 years and the original Fitzpatrick before Fitzpatrick existed.

@vikas83 Ive been seeing around 35 million in cap space after the Goedert move. John Clark says 36.

If this were the case we could trade AJ Pre June and still have room for a pretty large FA move or trade, or a few more depth pieces.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I have not heard that about him. Is there a specfic source for your impression? I have heard that people think his arm strength was significantly impacted by his UCL injury in 2024.

There’s plenty, now a lot of it is rumor and speculation but the kid just doesn’t carry himself well. He unfortunately did get clip farmed with the ‘I graduated 2 years ago’ comment, but he said the silent thing out loud about ‘student athletes’. Leadership, poor sportsmanship, and maturity has been questioned, he did not do well with a mic in his face at UGA (lots of blame shifting, granted he’s still a ‘kid’). Combine that with just how he looks and acts out there. Hurts get guff for his moments of dead panning, Beck legit looks like nobody is home upstairs 100% of the time.

Play wise, he reminds me a lot of what I saw wrong with Penix outside of the injury issues. He’s a 7 on 7 star/product…pressure him and he’s a lost puppy dog.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

There’s plenty, now a lot of it is rumor and speculation but the kid just doesn’t carry himself well. He unfortunately did get clip farmed with the ‘I graduated 2 years ago’ comment. Leadership, poor sportsmanship, and maturity has been questioned, he did not do well with a mic in his face at UGA (lots of blame shifting, granted he’s still a ‘kid’). Combine that with just how he looks and acts out there. Hurts get guff for his moments of dead panning, Beck legit looks like nobody is home upstairs 100% of the time.

Play wise, he reminds me a lot of what I saw wrong with Penix outside of the injury issues. He’s a 7 on 7 star/product…pressure him and he’s a lost puppy dog.

Check out Behren Morton who draws comparisons to Baker Mayfield in a good way. As of yet, still the only QB I have seen that the eagles showed interest in.

I hate this mock. If that's who is there for the Eagles at 23 I take Parker or trade down.

As an aside, hoping Haulcy is there for them in another round. Like him a lot at safety. I like a lot of safeties in this class.

42 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

It feels like a "Throwaway season" for 2026. Reset the O and D respectively, let the new Coaches get their feet wet as a Collective Coaching unit, then attack the 2027 season. Lots of wholes though. And they'll probably lose Fangio to retirement,

I'm a very positive person. 🙃😬😝

Fangio

Lane

Dickerson

Brown one way or another probably won't be here after this season

DG

Riq

People keep saying this is a throw away year and I don't get it. Every team has holes and they don't seem weak enough in too many areas if they keep Brown to not be a good team in the mix of things.