Just now, Sack that QB said:

lol

What i predicted all along. Makes total sense for both sides

One of the better facts that came from ESP on glizzard as OC and the Bucs offense

The Buccaneers offense took a deep dive with Grizzard as OC after losing Liam Coen to Jacksonville:

Fall off from 2024 to 2025:

Points: 4th to 18th

Yards: 3rd to 21st

Passing yards: 3rd to 15th

NY/A: 6th to 22nd

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

lol

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Didn’t even know he was on the hot seat

There is a still a window with Allen to win a SB, and let's be honest. His chair has been warm for a few seasons, and getting warmer. The D side of the ball (his thing) there has had seasons where its been not good. Their WR corp stinks again and the team is struggling with injuries. Some in his control, some not. You could leave it for 3 years and get the same results, but the history shows McDermott can't get over the hump.

The Bills need a philosophical change in the hope it makes them get to a SB before Allen ages out.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

What i predicted all along. Makes total sense for both sides

Josh Allen had his best statistical season with daboll. He had his most passing TD, highest completion %, most passing yards, highest QB rating and QBR.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I said a couple years ago the biggest mistake they’re gonna make is not moving on from McDermott to get Sean Payton when Payton was available. This wasn’t because McDermott really deserved to get fired at the time or wasn’t a solid head coach. Imo the upgrade from him to Peyton with Allen at Qb and what he could bring out of that offense was something you shouldn’t pass up. I have felt like McDermot had taken them as far as they could go and they needed a new voice ala Bucs with dungy. Now you’re looking for a head coach but besides tomlin (overrated) there’s not a head coach of that type of caliber available. So you’re taking a gamble on probably a retread that hits big but didn’t have nearly as much success or a first time head coach that you’re hoping becomes a great coach.

Right, but you can't treat your head coaches like pawns and expect to maintain the idea that it's a solid place to work in a 'fraternity-like' league. Basically if you do that, you HAVE to win the big one. If you flop, you're in serious danger of ending up with scrub candidates for a while. I kind of agree with you, but I think a lot of GMs and owners are averse to those kind of put up and shut up moments where you put yourself into a corner.

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

There is a still a window with Allen to win a SB, and let's be honest. His chair has been warm for a few seasons, and getting warmer. The D side of the ball (his thing) there has had seasons where its been not good. Their WR corp stinks again and the team is struggling with injuries. Some in his control, some not. You could leave it for 3 years and get the same results, but the history shows McDermott can't get over the hump.

The Bills need a philosophical change in the hope it makes them get to a SB before Allen ages out.

Allen will be 30 this year. We could end up seeing the decline this upcoming season

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

lol

Yeah this is kind of a big problem. Daboll supposedly likes Hurts but I'm not sure we can lure him into that over the possibility of being HC of Buffalo, and getting to work with Josh Allen again. Who do people have as backup?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Allen will be 30 this year. We could end up seeing the decline this upcoming season

With how he plays, yep. He will hit the wall hard.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Allen will be 30 this year. We could end up seeing the decline this upcoming season

Doubtful. His arm will keep him around for a long time. Stafford can still throw some, as Tom Brady said, "absolute piss missiles". Josh Allen will have that kind of arm strength well into his late 30's.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Right, but you can't treat your head coaches like pawns and expect to maintain the idea that it's a solid place to work in a 'fraternity-like' league. Basically if you do that, you HAVE to win the big one. If you flop, you're in serious danger of ending up with scrub candidates for a while. I kind of agree with you, but I think a lot of GMs and owners are averse to those kind of put up and shut up moments where you put yourself into a corner.

First off there’s not always gonna be a Sean Payton out there to make that type of upgrade. If you believe Sean Payton is a significant upgrade to what you had in McDermott you should have done it. I don’t give a crap if it doesn’t optically look great. If I win a Super Bowl because Payton is a better coach and needed to get over the top then I do it.

Second The Tampa Bay Buccaneers probably shouldn’t have a fire Tony Dungy considering where they were as a franchise when he took over. He probably deserved better. They did it and the result of that was Gruden winning them their first Super Bowl. Sometimes throw optics out the window if you believe a head coach that you can acquire is significantly better than the one you have. Josh Allen isn’t gonna play football for 50 years. You have a window so maximizing that window. Maximizing it was a significant upgrade at HC may have helped them. Instead they wasted 3 years on a head coach who’s a defensive minded head coach who consistently has defenses that don’t show up in their playoff losses. When you are a defensive minded HC and your defense in your last 6 playoff losses is giving up 33 points on avg you might wanna consider the fact he needs to be replaced.

Lastly, Payton wasn’t going anywhere else if that Buffalo Bill job open and they went after him. They had the best quarterback situation. One of the best rosters in the league at that point in time. That was a tailor made job for him to have success immediately.

1 minute ago, Lambo said:

Doubtful. His arm will keep him around for a long time. Stafford can still throw some, as Tom Brady said, "absolute piss missiles". Josh Allen will have that kind of arm strength well into his late 30's.

Stafford didn't take the beating that Allen did during his career

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I could see us losing McDaniel to Bills

Are we really losing him when it never seemed like he was even considering coming here at all yet?

So maybe the Eagles were just being realistic with the interviews. You're not going to get a flashy name with 25% of the HC positions in the league still open.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Are we really losing him when it never seemed like he was even considering coming here at all yet?

Just now, Mike31mt said:

So maybe the Eagles were just being realistic with the interviews. You're not going to get a flashy name with 25% of the HC positions in the league still open.

Trust me, it is not so much about OC vs HC, it's about the QB.

If Daboll gets Bills job then Joe Brady is probably freed. I'm not a big Daboll guy. Doesn't use motion and never seems very innovative. The only appeal was that he's a vet who could run the show

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

First off there’s not always gonna be a Sean Payton out there to make that type of upgrade. If you believe Sean Payton is a significant upgrade to what you had in McDermott you should have done it. I don’t give a crap if it doesn’t optically look great. If I win a Super Bowl because Payton is a better coach and needed to get over the top then I do it.

Second The Tampa Bay Buccaneers probably shouldn’t have a fire Tony Dungy considering where they were as a franchise when he took over. He probably deserved better. They did it and the result of that was Gruden winning them their first Super Bowl. Sometimes throw optics out the window if you believe a head coach that you can acquire is significantly better than the one you have. Josh Allen isn’t gonna play football for 50 years. You have a window so maximizing that window. Maximizing it was a significant upgrade at HC may have helped them. Instead they wasted 3 years on a head coach who’s a defensive minded head coach who consistently has defenses that don’t show up in their playoff losses.

Right, but what I said was, if you do that, you HAVE to win the big one. It's a very big put up or shut up moment, and I think owners and GMs know that. It takes real courage from your owner and GM, or from your GM with his neck on the line. I'm not really on board to do that except when it's really necessary, but I think if you really think it can result in getting over the hump, and you can't currently, I can understand it, yep. Bills were kind of in the same position as the early 2000 Eagles after all.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I could see us losing McDaniel to Bills

I don't see that one. Same division they had a front seat to the Miami dysfunction. Beyond that I don't think Josh Allen wants a completely new system. Daboll makes a lot more sense or defensive guy like Saleh or Schwartz and they keep Brady

14 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Yes, but the post was referring to the theoretical situation that we had fired Sirianni, which was in response to the quote. I was saying that in the situation that we did, the new entries to the market are largely coaches that aren't offensive side of the ball, but then noted people here seem to love the idea of Stefanski, I just wasn't sure why.

Ahh gotcha. I didn’t understand the hype either. Browns always had terrible offenses with him at the helm

4 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Trust me, it is not so much about OC vs HC, it's about the QB.

Yeah we get it, you hate Hurts

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah we get it, you hate Hurts

You just have to laugh how much they embarrass themselves at this point

Daboll is middle of the pack of guys I want so I wouldn't hate losing out on him all that much still plenty of names - McDaniel, Kingsbury, others, but I wouldn't get the Bills hiring Daboll. They didn't win with Daboll there and Daboll was a disaster in NY. You'd figure they'd want a coach who has a proven track record. Ironically they should pursue Tomlin. Tomlin is great when he has a great QB. That's what he was missing in Pitt

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Coen did well. glizzard’s offense got banged up in 2025 but even when they finally got health they were pretty brutal the last month and a half of the year. Bucs last 7 games of the season they scored over 20 points in only 1 game

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

He was their OC last year and got fired

Didn't realize he was their oc last year.

I would agree then and say pass on him

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

Right, but what I said was, if you do that, you HAVE to win the big one. It's a very big put up or shut up moment, and I think owners and GMs know that. It takes real courage from your owner and GM, or from your GM with his neck on the line. I'm not really on board to do that except when it's really necessary, but I think if you really think it can result in getting over the hump, and you can't currently, I can understand it, yep. Bills were kind of in the same position as the early 2000 Eagles after all.

I’d said it at the time if the bills couldn’t get Sean Payton and he wasn’t available then I wouldn’t have made that move. Sometimes you have to stick your neck out to achieve what you want. Imo the risk reward was with it to go from solid/good coach to great coach in Payton (yes Payton is an dbag but he is a great coach).

Imo that was a unique circumstance where Payton was available. Not every coaching cycle is somebody of his caliber going to be available. And this isn’t a shot at McDermott because I think he’s gonna go somewhere else and be a head coach. I think he’s probably gonna be fine. But you’re seeing right now after they fired McDermott who is available for them to go get? It’s not a great market. It’s why when there’s somebody out there that can help you maximize the window. You should take the gamble on it.

Furthermore, the reason why I said it at that time as well was because you could see him start making excuses for why they were losing. Instead of him saying it’s on me we have to fix this defense. That didn’t happen. The reason why I think he got fired today was because he saw what he did after the game in that press conference. If I was a general manager, and I saw him trying to deflect and shift blame because of that one play I’m done. You lost that game because your offense had five turnovers, your defense when it needed to make stops couldn’t do it, which has been a problem for the bills. Their last six playoff losses they’re giving up 33 points a game. So I don’t need to hear oh it all came down to that official and that catch. No it didn’t. You lost that game with all the other stuff that you could control.