Just now, Sack that QB said:

Daboll is middle of the pack of guys I want so I wouldn't hate losing out on him all that much still plenty of names - McDaniel, Kingsbury, others, but I wouldn't get the Bills hiring Daboll. They didn't win with Daboll there and Daboll was a disaster in NY. You'd figure they'd want a coach who has a proven track record. Ironically they should pursue Tomlin. Tomlin is great when he has a great QB. That's what he was missing in Buffalo.

Kingsbury really gives me pause. His time in Arizona was....not the best. Jayden Daniels had one great year. And then...he got fired.

Was it the rosters, or was it him? What truly is his pedigree in the NFL? It's just so hard to get a real feeling for what kind of coach he is, I feel. But they should have a better idea from interviewing him, so I suppose how that turns out will explain a lot.

8 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

So maybe the Eagles were just being realistic with the interviews. You're not going to get a flashy name with 25% of the HC positions in the league still open.

Kingsbury is still out there getting no buzz.

I suspect they can find a good hire out of Scheelhasse, Kafka, Grizzard, and Slowic

If not, Id roll the dice on upside with a college guy like Weiss.

Feels like Zac Robinson or Jim Bob Cooter are last resorts.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d said it at the time if the bills couldn’t get Sean Payton and he wasn’t available then I wouldn’t have made that move. Sometimes you have to stick your neck out to achieve what you want. Imo the risk reward was with it to go from solid/good coach to great coach in Payton (yes Payton is an dbag but he is a great coach).

Imo that was a unique circumstance where Payton was available. Not every coaching cycle is somebody of his caliber going to be available. And this isn’t a shot at McDermott because I think he’s gonna go somewhere else and be a head coach. I think he’s probably gonna be fine. But you’re seeing right now after they fired McDermott who is available for them to go get? It’s not a great market. It’s why when there’s somebody out there that can help you maximize the window. You should take the gamble on it.

Furthermore, the reason why I said it at that time as well was because you could see him start making excuses for why they were losing. Instead of him saying it’s on me we have to fix this defense. That didn’t happen. The reason why I think he got fired today was because he saw what he did after the game in that press conference. If I was a general manager, and I saw him trying to deflect and shift blame because of that one play I’m done. You lost that game because your offense had five turnovers, your defense when it needed to make stops couldn’t do it, which has been a problem for the bills. Their last six playoff losses they’re giving up 33 points a game. So I don’t need to hear oh it all came down to that official and that catch. No it didn’t. You lost that game with all the other stuff that you could control.

True. I actually forgot all about him starting to become very unprofessional after playoff losses and stuff. Increasingly desperate. Can't really argue with it when you put it that way, I'd feel the same way if I saw that after the loss as a GM.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

True. I actually forgot all about him starting to become very unprofessional after playoff losses and stuff. Increasingly desperate. Can't really argue with it when you put it that way, I'd feel the same way if I saw that after the loss as a GM.

Yeah, that was part of my issue with McDermott a couple years ago. There’s always a built in excuse. Last year was officials and blaming the spot. A couple years prior was we didn’t get to touch the ball in OT. There’s always an excuse but never a my defense stinks in big spots and games.

But in general, you make that move thinking you’re gonna win a Super Bowl doing it. But the reality is I only have Josh Allen for a finite amount of time. I need to maximize the prime of his career. So making the move from McDermott to Payton is a significant upgrade in my opinion. To me that is maximizing any window and the career for Josh Allen. that’s all I can do is give Josh Allen, the best tools and coaching to succeed and win a Super Bowl. Payton in my opinion was that.

Now they fired Sean McDermott a couple years later in a worse coaching market. So they are banking on worse retreads or a first year coach you hope develops into Payton.

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Kingsbury is still out there getting no buzz.

I suspect they can find a good hire out of Scheelhasse, Kafka, Grizzard, and Slowic

If not, Id roll the dice on upside with a college guy like Weiss.

Feels like Zac Robinson or Jim Bob Cooter are last resorts.

Isn't it kind of ironic we're here having trouble finding guys even with the market having more than usual like right now, but people were insisting that the only reason 2025 was so bad was because we didn't do a proper coaching search a full month later after the Super Bowl when even less people were available?

Good times.

9 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Kingsbury really gives me pause. His time in Arizona was....not the best. Jayden Daniels had one great year. And then...he got fired.

Was it the rosters, or was it him? What truly is his pedigree in the NFL? It's just so hard to get a real feeling for what kind of coach he is, I feel. But they should have a better idea from interviewing him, so I suppose how that turns out will explain a lot.

On Kingsbury, he was very good with the commanders, his first year. Even a second year was pretty impressive considering the fact Daniels was hurt throughout the year and mariota/Josh Johnson were the quarterbacks for a good portion of it. If i remember sheil and Berman talking about it, their analytics on offense this year was still top 15 in the league considering that and better than the eagles 

18 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah we get it, you hate Hurts

I don’t hate him, he is who he is. When we end up with an OC from the lower tier, ask yourself why.

McDermott will probably write a 3 page op-ed in the local newspaper b!tching about everyone in Buffalo

They are allowing him to be in charge of all facets of the football side. He got a promotion for eroding the roster the last 3-4 years. This is actually insane

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Isn't it kind of ironic we're here having trouble finding guys even with the market having more than usual like right now, but people were insisting that the only reason 2025 was so bad was because we didn't do a proper coaching search a full month later after the Super Bowl when even less people were available?

Good times.

honestly, the excuse they couldn’t have a proper coaching search until after the Super Bowl was kind of BS. EJ Smith, Zach Berman and i believe even Jeff McLane  basically told is from the divisional round on that Moore was leaving to take the Saints job. They just couldn’t announce it because he was still coaching for the Eagles. Furthermore, Berman and EJ Smith both said they had numerous sources telling them that the next OC was going to be patullo because that’s who they wanted. And that it wasn’t gonna be a long search even if they got eliminated earlier because that’s who the Eagles really wanted to promote to be the OC.

38 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I could see us losing McDaniel to Bills

Gonna be warm enough in that new stadium for him?

I always felt Payton was overrated and it was Brees

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

Gonna be warm enough in that new stadium for him?

If cold weather is an issue then he's out for us too

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

They are allowing him to be in charge of all facets of the football side. He got a promotion for eroding the roster the last 3-4 years. This is actually insane

You get to keep your job for a long time when you draft Josh Allen. That’s what this tells me. Because the wide receivers they have on that team have gotten significantly worse overtime. And that defense also has gotten worse in terms of overall talent 

54 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

McDermott is another version of Harbaugh and Tomlin. Stale, out of ideas and stuck hitting the ceiling of wins. A shame as I think he's a good person IRL, but the Bills need fresh ideas. Badly

Your next Raiders/Cardinals coach.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

If cold weather is an issue then he's out for us too

I’ve been saying that since he got fired. Don’t know if it’s an issue…but his body language during cold weather games speaks volumes. That game in GB a few years ago was downright hilarious. Spent all week saying it’s not cold enough and then was a walking icicle the entire game.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I always felt Payton was overrated and it was Brees

I mean, he just got to an AFC championship game with Bo nix in his second year. I feel like people don’t like them because he’s the world‘s biggest dbag. But he is a good coach. I’d add if he was able to have success with Drew Brees then I’m guessing he probably would’ve had just as much success with Josh Allen.  

I’d also point out the Saints were absolutely a dumpster fire of an organization before Sean Payton got there. And they basically been that since he’s left.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

honestly, the excuse they couldn’t have a proper coaching search until after the Super Bowl was kind of BS. EJ Smith, Zach Berman and i believe even Jeff McLane  basically told is from the divisional round on that Moore was leaving to take the Saints job. They just couldn’t announce it because he was still coaching for the Eagles. Furthermore, Berman and EJ Smith both said they had numerous sources telling them that the next OC was going to be patullo because that’s who they wanted. And that it wasn’t gonna be a long search even if they got eliminated earlier because that’s who the Eagles really wanted to promote to be the OC.

No, I'm saying it's ironic more than they couldn't. I could have come up with a couple candidate ideas, and I did, but honestly it would have been mostly people that everyone forgot about if the timing was poor with Slowik.

I just think it's ironic that now they got out in perfect time to do so, and it's still an adventure to say the least because this is probably the most good jobs open in a long time.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I mean, he just got to an AFC championship game with Bo nix in his second year. I feel like people don’t like them because he’s the world‘s biggest dbag. But he is a good coach. I’d add if he was able to have success with Drew Brees then I’m guessing he probably would’ve had just as much success with Josh Allen.  

I’d also point out the Saints were absolutely a dumpster fire of an organization before Sean Payton got there. And they basically been that since he’s left.

Well that was also because he didn't do anything after Brees. But that team like you said it was a dumpster fire. It was run horrible and Brees kept it afloat

Broncos built a great team

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I always felt Payton was overrated and it was Brees

Tony Dungy was only good because of the Bucs defense

Andy Reid was only good because of Jim Johnson

Dan Quinn was only good because of Kyle Shanahan

You can play that game with a lot of guys

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

honestly, the excuse they couldn’t have a proper coaching search until after the Super Bowl was kind of BS. EJ Smith, Zach Berman and i believe even Jeff McLane  basically told is from the divisional round on that Moore was leaving to take the Saints job. They just couldn’t announce it because he was still coaching for the Eagles. Furthermore, Berman and EJ Smith both said they had numerous sources telling them that the next OC was going to be patullo because that’s who they wanted. And that it wasn’t gonna be a long search even if they got eliminated earlier because that’s who the Eagles really wanted to promote to be the OC.

Although, and sorry to quote this twice - normally wouldn't but important comment: Sounds like the entire FO was in on it when it's put that way, Sirianni didn't have that kind of leeway if it was from as early as the Div round...right?

Just now, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Tony Dungy was only good because of the Bucs defense

Andy Reid was only good because of Jim Johnson

Dan Quinn was only good because of Kyle Shanahan

You can play that game with a lot of guys

Is that supposed to be in defense of Payton or just because I said he's overrated and it was Brees that carried him?

This is just the same guess I had but it was tweeted by a media member

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Is that supposed to be in defense of Payton or just because I said he's overrated and it was Brees that carried him?

Defense of Payton and potentially of Mcdermott

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Tony Dungy was only good because of the Bucs defense

Andy Reid was only good because of Jim Johnson

Dan Quinn was only good because of Kyle Shanahan

You can play that game with a lot of guys

Huh?