Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

It could very well still be Nick. Just because the Eagles promised them they would have autonomy and control of the offense doesn't mean they believe it. From what Josina said the Eagles told Kellen Moore he would have control of the offense and he very clearly didn't have full autonomy.

Yep. I literally just said the same thing you did underneath your post. Just because they’re saying it does not make it true. This feels very much like a PR move by the Eagles to get ahead of an issue that’s known around the league

Howie/Lurie should have asked if he'd be the HC if they fired Nick on the spot

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I thought Monken was following him to Giants? That's not official yet?

He's still a HC candidate for Browns and has interviewed for the Bucs job. He's probably just waiting for the Browns to make a decision before joining someone. The fact he's not taking any more interviews for the last week kinda tells you he has offers on the table.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He's still a HC candidate for Browns and has interviewed for the Bucs job. He's probably just waiting for the Browns to make a decision before joining someone. The fact he's not taking any more interviews for the last week kinda tells you he has offers on the table.

Harbaugh mentioned him yesterday and it sounded like he's going there if he doesn't get a HC gig

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He's still a HC candidate for Browns and has interviewed for the Bucs job. He's probably just waiting for the Browns to make a decision before joining someone. The fact he's not taking any more interviews for the last week kinda tells you he has offers on the table.

Monken was my first choice because I thought he'd be the best fit for Hurts but then reports were he was following Harbaugh to Giants and I hadn't heard anything since

Should’ve just fired Nick and started fresh on the offensive side of the ball. With that being said, gimme Weiss jr

6 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I thought Monken was following him to Giants? That's not official yet?

Nope

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'm curious what remaining candidates have the leverage for full autonomy.

You have to wonder how much autonomy does the new OC have? How much of the coaching staff do they get to build out? Are they given coaches like Stout, Scot Loeffler, or Arron Morehead, or are they able to pick and implement their scheme?

What proven top offensive mind is going to want to come into that situation?

Is it time to consider Matt Nagy?

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Is it time to consider Matt Nagy?

Nope. Never time to consider Matt nagy

Just now, Eriv20 said:

Should’ve just fired Nick and started fresh on the offensive side of the ball. With that being said, gimme Weiss jr

By the sounds of that tweet, if we were to hire Weiss Jr - he would answer to Sirianni/Howie a lot - Weiss has very little NFL experience. I don't want that for our team - just causes drama

Just now, wussbasket said:

You have to wonder how much autonomy does the new OC have? How much of the coaching staff do they get to build out? Are they given coaches like Stout, Scot Loeffler, or Arron Morehead, or are they able to pick and implement their scheme?

What proven top offensive mind is going to want to come into that situation?

I'd think anyone besides Stout is replaceable for the OC

Maybe that's an issue

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, and the years he doesn't have a good OC or a good OL/everything going right how does he do? Bounced in the first round you say? Yep.

Are the Eagles lucky to have him over what the Texans and other teams have? Yes. I'd take him over Jackson because that guy is an idiot even though he has a better arm and is faster. That being said Hurts is limited as a passing QB and now he is slowing down running.

It's cute how on one hand you point to the two SBs with Hurts and then call the organization that got there highly dysfunctional.

Yeah he makes the playoffs. 5 years a s a starter and has made the playoffs 5 years.

Who are the QBs that are going to the playoffs every year as a starter even if they are having to deal with far from ideal circumstances?

This isn't a dysfunctional organization to you? Hire HC. Power struggle ensues and GM is pushed to brook closet. Down year and HC fired and GM takes back control. New HC hired that can be a puppet. HC wins Super Bowl. Power struggle ensues. Super Bowl winning HC fired. New HC brought in that can be a puppet. Go to Super Bowl, lose both coordinators. Next season has a collapse, team panic fires the DC and things just get worse. Hire new DC and OC and win Super Bowl. OC gets HC job and HC with the sliver of power he has gained uses it to hire completely unqualified friend to be a terrible OC. Now OC fired. All the while during all of this over the years you have constant internal leaks to the media throwing mud at various different people and players. It is dysfunctional.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yep. I literally just said the same thing you did underneath your post. Just because they’re saying it does not make it true. This feels very much like a PR move by the Eagles to get ahead of an issue that’s known around the league

Even if it is true, I can see it being a weird dynamic in the eyes of a McDaniel or Daboll. You would have to trust the pitch from Howie and Lurie and you also would have to trust Nick isn't going to try to tinker or change the offense the way he did with Moore.

That's really the only reason I can think of why Daboll would go to Titans. He would have complete control with no one over his shoulder and he can hire whoever he wants on the staff.

Seriously, is this an OC in name only kind of job? Sirianni's offense doesn't work. He can't even implement it and call the plays for it himself. How do you expect to force any respectable play caller to implement his offense?

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'd think anyone besides Stout is replaceable for the OC

Maybe that's an issue

Chargers don't have a OL coach. McDaniel was previously a run game coordinator and I imagine his style is very different than Stouts. It really looks like McDaniel was given far more choices on who his assistant coaches are going to be.

20 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah look how Hurts finished without that

Exactly. Did Burrow, Herbert, et al win bad with offensive lines? We had the worst center in the league to go along with one of the worst lines with the worst group of blocking TEs in the league, and the worst OC with the worst scheme I've seen since the early 70s and we all knew it and complained about it from the first game of the season.

Your argument: Hurts only wins with good play from all units and can't overcome bad play from the same units, so he never gets credit for the good and gets the lions share of blame for the bad.

Other QBs you like more can't overcome poor play from the other units but you don't assign them the blame for losing and if only rhey had a good team around them they would win SBs at an unprecedented rate.

You logic, and those in your camp, is absurd. It literally makes no sense.

By all reports, the Eagles believe they need a brand new offensive system to take advantage of the talent. It coincides with the whole autonomy thing. If McLane is right in that only a select number of candidates would get full autonomy, then that also suggests if they don't get certain coaches, then it's another year of a lesser OC running some variation of the Sirianni offense.... which they've already indicated they believe isn't good enough given their top pursuits for coaching.

That would be such a Fing disaster.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Even if it is true, I can see it being a weird dynamic in the eyes of a McDaniel or Daboll. You would have to trust the pitch from Howie and Lurie and you also would have to trust Nick isn't going to try to tinker or change the offense the way he did with Moore.

That's really the only reason I can think of why Daboll would go to Titans. He would have complete control with no one over his shoulder and he can hire whoever he wants on the staff.

If I’m daboll i really want that bills HC for obvious reasons. But added the titans ownership is a disaster and i don’t trust that organization to do anything right

"Hello Mike McDaniel please hold off on signing with the Chargers we'd really like to bring you in."

"My wife really likes LA but I guess I can come in Saturday"

"Oh we're supposed to get a foot of snow Saturday"

"<click>"

"hello hello"

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

By all reports, the Eagles believe they need a brand new offensive system to take advantage of the talent. It coincides with the whole autonomy thing. If McLane is right in that only a select number of candidates would get full autonomy, then that also suggests if they don't get certain coaches, then it's another year of a lesser OC running some variation of the Sirianni offense.... which they've already indicated they believe isn't good enough given their top pursuits for coaching.

That would be such a Fing disaster.

Howie and Lurie believing that we need a brand new offensive system (clean house), kind of throws Sirianni under the bus or at least throws shade at his philosophy in recent years.......am I the only one who takes it that way? It basically screams, come in for an interview and the HC will just sit and take notes.

So how do you publicly state that you want an entire new scheme, but limit who you give autonomy to?

Hurts has no guarantees on his contract after 2026. So they would need to extend him this offseason when his stock is lower, or ride it out and see if/how he can improve.

All sports books have Daboll as favorite for the Bills HC job. Which means Titans would be pivoting elsewhere too. Might be a good time to get in on Joe Brady before they do, assuming he doesn't get a HC job. I swear if they lose two HC jobs to the Fing Titans. Especially when they're familiar with Brady having interviewed him before.

2 minutes ago, Maga301 said:

Howie and Lurie believing that we need a brand new offensive system (clean house), kind of throws Sirianni under the bus or at least throws shade at his philosophy in recent years.......am I the only one who takes it that way? It basically screams, come in for an interview and the HC will just sit and take notes.

So how do you publicly state that you want an entire new scheme, but limit who you give autonomy to?

Everyone wants the cake and wants to eat it. We'll see of the Eagles get it or not.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would have thought Stout is adaptable considering he's survived multiple HC cycles. Have we run the same run concepts since Chip?